Do your friends know what you have? [Archive]

momof23goats

02-01-2008, 12:13 AM

NONE OF my friends have a clue, I tried to talk to them years ago. and they said they were coming here, NO my hubby was laid off for a while so I let it be known I have nothing any more. no one has said a word about it, in over a year.
If any show UP, I will be in a huge dress or pants, that I got at good will, just for that reason, so i will appear much thinner. and I will be soooooooo glad to see them, did they bring me some food? will be my question.

BigFootsCousin

02-14-2008, 01:43 AM

Tundra Gypsy

02-26-2008, 10:20 PM

Unfortunately, we had recent water damage to our house and everyone working there got to see my supply of food in my little room in the basement next to the den. Drats! Now I know that they'll be showing up at my door to steal my food while I'm away. They know I'm in California during the winter...sure upsets me! I'm moving it when I can get back up there.

louise

02-27-2008, 12:35 PM

Man oh Man! Sorry to hear that!

momof23goats

03-31-2008, 02:01 AM

superintendent

03-31-2008, 07:05 AM

First and formost, do not tell anyone you have even a extra roll of toliet paper stockpilied, let alone that you are preparing for the worst case events in our future.

Everyone has had plenty of time to pull it together to make preps. for what is about to happen.
My family has gone without so much so that we may be less of a burden on the system and others by stockpiling now.

I am not concerned about helping any one other than the people who COULD NOT prep ahead of time.

If friends show up looking for handouts, they will be politely told they have to leave.
If I have to tell them a second time, they do not get to leave.

dreadstalker

03-31-2008, 09:27 AM

If they know you have anything ( bad advance planning on your part BTW) Then there is no way you can let them leave at all. They would just come back in force. Maybe you can handle that and maybe you can't but why take the unnecessary chance.

ChiliPalmer

03-31-2008, 09:29 AM

One local knows because they're another prepper, on a site I belong to. Our usual sitter knows as well, she's seen the short-term storage in my kitchen (I have two pantries, one upstairs that I use in everyday cooking, the other is the long-term storage and it's better hidden). She thinks I have all that in the kitchen because our family is large and it's quite a drive into town.

Otherwise, I practice discretion. They won't prep but they WILL remember.

momof23goats

03-31-2008, 03:48 PM

friends and neighbors, can get hostal fast, if they are hungry. that is just why I stopped talking about any thing in the last year, well, longer really. I want no one here to know. not one person. nope, that way there will be less to fight about.
If the ycome here, I will try and look my worst, and hungry, for sure.

Truth be told

03-31-2008, 04:39 PM

momof23goats

03-31-2008, 05:12 PM

I have been reading these posts for some time now this will be my first reply, I truly am disheartened to read some of the things written. I don't live a fancy life style or have money to throw around, all my life I have tried to live a decent life. Now we are in this mess because of politicians, business owners , bankers, lawyers, and other neer do wells greedily sucking the blood from anything with a pulse.
Other decent people are trying to do the same, and now we talk about running our relatives and neighbors off when they show up hungry. We have been dragged into acting like the rest of these blood suckers. I truly don't know what I would do if the situation arises, but I hope God has mercy on me for my response if it isn't what he wants. :cry:

I am not going to run my family off, and there are a couple of neighbors, that i will help. but I am not going to broad cast what i have.
I do have a gal down the road, single mom, i will help her all I can. and the older lady, and one other family. if the mask,.
The older lady, I will just take things to to help her out, or offer her to come here. same with the single mom. but I am not going to help the rest, they could be helping them selves, right now, but they just laugh it off. so why should I deprive my mother, and family, [it is good size], and the others for people that just won't help them selves.
that is crazy. my family comes first.
and no I am not tellling what i have to any one. The single mom, has a baby, and 3 other children she will need help, and I will help her. but if people just start showing up, they will be asked to leave.

Milk-maid

03-31-2008, 06:57 PM

I have been reading these posts for some time now this will be my first reply, I truly am disheartened to read some of the things written. I don't live a fancy life style or have money to throw around, all my life I have tried to live a decent life. Now we are in this mess because of politicans, business owners , bankers, lawyers, and other neer do wells greedily sucking the blood from anything with a pulse.
Other decent people are trying to do the same, and now we talk about running our relatives and neighbors off when they show up hungry. We have been dragged into acting like the rest of these blood suckers. I truly don't know what I would do if the situation arises, but I hope God has mercy on me for my responce if it isn't what he wants. :cry:

Like I said I have 30+ relatives just in my immediate family. Numerous friends who wanted to come and wanted to invite their relatives. At just what point do I close the door? When no one has any food.? When my children have no food to eat?

Here is what I was told when I put the question to God last night, in prayer;

Remember Noah's Ark? All the while he built his ark he encouraged them to do the same and they laughed. When the floods came, he had to shut the doors to all the naysayers who laughed at him. Noah took his family and the animals. But he had to close that door to the rest. Does that help answer the question for you?

MM

momof23goats

03-31-2008, 07:01 PM

exactly MM, well said .

Milk-maid

03-31-2008, 07:08 PM

I swear, I didn't say it. God did. I didn't even have anything like that on my mind when I asked God the question. But it was made clear to me Just a second later. It's truly his divine grace to give me an answer.

MM

louise

03-31-2008, 07:23 PM

The band is playing on! How many can you try to get to see what is coming? How many will listen? How many of those you try to coach, if nothing else..."you are going to pay more for that item within a week". How much am I willing to give up to help others who won't listen, altho with carefull planning ! can do what I'm doing. Let's see. I made $9,200 last year according to my 2007 taxes! My sister who thinks I'm nuts, made $96,000 the same year. Do you think I should be prepping for her? I asked her if I could put some stuff in her basement as I was running out of room..Nope! She does not want my JUNK in her basement. We can all say what we want on this board, as to how we would react, but we really won't know until it comes. I'm already crying for those who will not listen, and will be hungry,but I prep on. Someone else on this board mentioned that maybe that is the plan that the Lord has for me, yet others around me live life like there is no tomorrow. Is that fair! I am being dismissed by my family and friends over this, and yes...I feel quite alone. After listening to Steve this evening, I'm sure I'm on the right track, but can I listen to my neighbours weeping because they are hungry...probably not!

Milk-maid

03-31-2008, 07:29 PM

Louise,

I'm starting to think that people who come looking for a hand-out would be better off if we gave them the seeds to grow their own food, instead of just giving them the food. .."Here is what I can give you. I have no more."

MM

ChiliPalmer

03-31-2008, 07:46 PM

Truth, here's a post I wrote elsewhere just recently:

I've tried, and keep trying, to talk to Papa. He's already lost enough of his retirement to cause him stress. I urged him last fall to get his money somewhere safe, such as oil stocks and gold. When the time comes, am I really going to throw in Papa's face that I was right and he was wrong and now he'll just have to suck it up? Nah, let's be serious... I worship my grandparents. I'd risk everything to drive out to fetch them if they needed it.

There's just three people on this earth I actively hate. One of them is my sister. She's a vile, loathsome, spoiled, miserable person, and her kids are pretty to look at but bestowed of the pleasant natures that come from a lack of discipline. Even so - am I capable of watching with a comfortable conscience while my own sister and her two small children go hungry? No, and if there's ever a time I'd wish for more ruthlessness in my makeup, that would be it. I'd take her in, though she'd be just as welcome to leave if she finds the workload too much for her.

Let's say I do wind up taking in my sister and grandparents. That's six extra mouths to feed. Maybe my brother shows up. Maybe some neighbors think I've got enough and ought to share with them. At what point, exactly, shall I give away all the food stored for myself and my children because others couldn't be bothered to see to their own provisions?

I'm not rich. I can warn others, I can welcome a few into my home to share what I have, but I cannot afford to stock enough to feed everyone I know. I might be fortunate in being able to provide for a very few family members, some preppers are hard pressed to make sure they have enough just for their spouse and children.

We heeded the warnings, listened to the Holy Spirit and sacrificed for our future. Others refused to listen, laughed, went on living hard and merry. People will starve, and that is very sad, but we cannot save every one of them and it was their choice to be in that situation.

I hope God grants me mercy in equal portions to the mercy I show others, and I also pray for the discernment to know when someone else's emergency is not my responsibility.

Milk-maid

03-31-2008, 07:50 PM

I hope God grants me mercy in equal portions to the mercy I show others, and I also pray for the discernment to know when someone else's emergency is not my responsibility.

Exactly!

louise

03-31-2008, 09:52 PM

I just visited a woman who lives in my building. She's been in Chili for the last six months, and is probably in her late 60's. After we got caught up on the news, I told her what was going on and it would be a good idea to start getting a few things week by week, to make sure she had enough if something happened. She told me she would not be prepping as she does not have the room, yet her living space is so much bigger than mine. I asked her why, if she knew something was coming she wouldn't put extra food in her apartment...and this is what she said..."I will depend on my friends generosity," and looked dead in my face when she said it. I was flabbergasted! What could I say to that...I said nothing and left soon thereafter. I don't need a bunch of "friends" who have made the decision not to prep, and are looking to me to spend what little money I make to make preps for them too. Man, I sure need to pray for an answer to this one.

Milk-maid

04-01-2008, 11:12 AM

Whew Louise,

It might have been hard to do, but I think I would have said something then and there, like, 'I sure hope you're not talking aobut me. I'm preparing for me (and my family) and suggest you do the same.'

MM

AzProtector

04-01-2008, 11:26 AM

I have been reading these posts for some time now this will be my first reply, I truly am disheartened to read some of the things written. I don't live a fancy life style or have money to throw around, all my life I have tried to live a decent life. Now we are in this mess because of politicans, business owners , bankers, lawyers, and other neer do wells greedily sucking the blood from anything with a pulse.
Other decent people are trying to do the same, and now we talk about running our relatives and neighbors off when they show up hungry. We have been dragged into acting like the rest of these blood suckers. I truly don't know what I would do if the situation arises, but I hope God has mercy on me for my responce if it isn't what he wants. :cry:

Like I said I have 30+ relatives just in my immediate family. Numerous friends who wanted to come and wanted to invite their relatives. At just what point do I close the door? When no one has any food.? When my children have no food to eat?

Here is what I was told when I put the question to God last night, in prayer;

Remember Noah's Ark? All the while he built his ark he encouraged them to do the same and they laughed. When the floods came, he had to shut the doors to all the naysayers who laughed at him. Noah took his family and the animals. But he had to close that door to the rest. Does that help answer the question for you?

MM

It's a crappy situation to have to be in, but MM says it very well.
Do you allow your children and SO to starve because others did not take appropriate steps??? My responsibility is my wife and children...no one else...fortunately, my Brothers and Sister are like-minded and I wouldn't have to concern myself with them and their families.

AnnieOakley

04-01-2008, 01:30 PM

My friends and some family members as of today have a big smile on their face because the stock market is up. The question presented to me is what am I going to do will all my preps....ebay in a couple of years? I am going to stay focused and do what I believe the Lord is having me do. It would probably be more fun to spend the money on worldly things rather than preps. Stay focused preppers and always remember that you're never alone when you have a that special relationship with the Lord.

SimonJ

04-02-2008, 10:25 AM

[quote="Maximilian, Glad I only have to really be responsible for my wife and I. Having a kid would suck.[/quote]

Oh my. Arent you just the Survivalist, type 1A.
Children are the survival of the family, the nation and the species. Not to throw old ideas out but, "Raise up your child in the way they should go. When they are old they will not depart from it". Right then and right now. The acting was well done in the skit. But Im here to tell you that without children raised properly with moral values and good ethics, it wont matter if You survive. Cause the ones that dont have the values will and then "Whats for dinner?".
My own children are grown and have their own children. But, Im still the one they come to for advice and "Wisdom". I answer their questions as best I can but tell them that no matter what the children come first.

You beat on my door, I will let you eat a bullet or an arrow or maybe just cajole you out to the barn where you will be hung and quartered if theres nothing else to feed my dogs. They wont mind.

jolara

04-02-2008, 11:18 AM

I can understand fully the teeter totter of answers here. While most of us are compassionate people, there may come a time where you HAVE to say no. For the people who live in the city, what they have stored is all they have. period. they can't re-grow that can of beans or fish for that can of tuna. I fully respect them saying they would fight off anyone trying to take their means while they get themselves through the situation. They were smart enough to plan ahead to the best of their ability.

Other folks are fortunate enough to have farms and ranches and land. There they can try to be self sufficient. In those areas, I see nothing wrong with giving out food to the hungry, granted I would expect something in return. Plow a field, pick some of the crops, help can what is salvaged in the garden etc. In other words, nothing comes free, nor should anyone, I don't care HOW hungry you are, expect it to be. Barter, trade, whatever. Living off the land is a full time job and lots of hard work.

I walk around our property now wearing a holstered gun in plain view. My neighbors know me and this is who I am. But strangers will either get the point immediately, or try to use it against me. It's MY protection.
We will help our neighbors out in any way we can just as I know they will do the same for us. We live in a rural area, not too far from the city. Our properties are fairly distanced apart. There are about 15 homes down our drive and most of the homes are only lived in part time (snowbirds). I plan to initiate a gathering soon with our neighbors to discuss the economic situation and helping eachother out during times of need. Will I disclose what we have stored? No. None of their business. But if one of them felt compelled to ask us personally if we had any food to spare, I would help out if I could. I feel that if we can all pull together as a community, it makes us stronger as a unit when trouble comes a calling.

Caplock50

04-02-2008, 01:23 PM

The Bible plainly states, "A man who does not provide for his family is worse than an infidel". What this means is that you provide for you and your family first and foremost. Then, if you have any extra, you can share it with others. And here's another Bible quote for you to remember,..."If a thief be killed while breaking in; no fault will be placed on you for doing it". Yeah, it's not a 'word-for-word' quote, but it does convey the thought perfectly. My family knows that if they come here, they'll be expected to work for what they get. They also know that if they come here, they best bring as much as they can with them. My family knows I prep...but nobody knows to what extent I really go to in my preps. There's only one(the SIL that lives near me) that has any real inkling to my real preps, and that is because he's a darn good hunter and I feel I need to coordinate my stuff with his. He can get the meat to stink up my beans and rice with, soo...

Caplock50

04-02-2008, 01:39 PM

As far as I know, nobody has ever said anything about this point with the story of Noah's Ark. Every bit I've ever heard concerning it seems to say that Noah just suddenly appeared here on earth...one second, he's not here and then, POOF!! there he is. So now think...who all did Noah close up the Ark against? Back then very large families were the only way to go. So where were and what happened to Noah's parents? Where and what happened to his brothers and sisters? Cousins and nieces and nephews? Aunts and uncles? Yeah...what happened to all of Noah's kinfolks, eh? And, IIRC, one of his sons almost...'missed the boat', too. I guess, in a way, you could say Noah 'killed' all of his kinfolk by not letting them into the Ark...yet he was choosen and blessed by God. It is a insight, Folks. It is an example of how God will judge us in the hereafter. And BE IT WELL KNOWN!!...God *will* tell us exactly who to let in and who to keep out of our personal 'Arks', when the time comes...just as he did with Noah. Trust Him...He won't let you down.

SimonJ

04-20-2008, 07:12 PM

Noah is a great example of what we need to do. Speak out to people about the truth and when the time comes, and they demand your help, shoot them in their tracks. Ill not let my family starve or worse because of some jackass with a $5000 dollar stereo in a 2 bit car that should have been doing something else with his money is to stupid to prep.

If you live out of town your better off. Blow the bridges accross the streams. cut down trees to make a barricade. Put mines out. Booby trap any trails comeing in or out of your AO.

dreadstalker

04-20-2008, 07:32 PM

Most of my family growing up learned to do without quite a lot.
That has in turn led the majority of my siblings to be pretty well on par as far as getting prepared. Nothing like a well stocked pantry after being hungry for so many years.

I only have one sister that is a total DGI. However her husband does and in a SHTF scenario I believe that even my sis will come around.
Something has to of rubbed off on her thinking with the other 11 of us around her so often.

But even with that none of my siblings know the full extent of my preps. It will stay that way too.

Maximilian

04-22-2008, 12:51 PM

You beat on my door, I will let you eat a bullet or an arrow or maybe just cajole you out to the barn where you will be hung and quartered if theres nothing else to feed my dogs. They wont mind.

This a general staement or was it directed towrds me?

SimonJ

04-22-2008, 01:15 PM

This a general staement or was it directed towrds me?

Actually, the referance was to the "Friends" that beat on the door and came thru the window to visit. The first part was directed towards those who arent survival material. Those who dont see children as their ultimate survival prep. From what you said, no offense, but that would be you and others of that mind set.

Maximilian

04-22-2008, 03:33 PM

Actually, the referance was to the "Friends" that beat on the door and came thru the window to visit. The first part was directed towards those who arent survival material. Those who dont see children as their ultimate survival prep. From what you said, no offense, but that would be you and others of that mind set.

That’s cool. Kinda figured or hoped that’s what you ment.
I do understand that children need to be the main focus of making sure they survive.
I am sure when the time comes I will be sacrificing myself and supplies for the other numerous members of my family. Those who have been too stupid to not make preps if it ever really gets that bad.

The real reality is that I can have all the stock piles I think I need, but I really need to rely on God.
But God gave me a brain to prepare as best I can which is what I have been doing.

SimonJ

04-22-2008, 05:15 PM

Navajo

04-22-2008, 05:54 PM

The question presented to me is what am I going to do will all my preps....ebay in a couple of years?

I get that question alot also.

I just tell them the stuff I am buying now will be eaten a couple of years. We eat what we buy and buy what we eat. Just getting a little bit more in stock than normal right now.

Maximilian

04-22-2008, 08:00 PM

Hi Maximillian,
The family members and friends that know what I have on hand also have their goodies on hand. Or they have other major goodies to bring with them. There are several young children and they will need to learn as they grow up the ins and outs of life after TSHTF.
The only way I would take in anyone who is not allready "In the group" is if they are vouched for by at least 2 other adults and have something to offer other then "Im hungery and need help". Not wanting to be cruel, but the family comes first. Any divisive actions and I will see them out. Haveing a family group and (a few) very close friends will make a lot of difference. And good neighbors as well.

I feel for my dad. Most all of my family lives in the neighboring state.
They all depend on him in some form or fashion. I do not and have not.
He has the means to have major preps but he does not do this.

I have been bugging him for a year now to do something.
He knows the others will be at his doorstep like the leaches they are.

They had a bad ice storm this winter.
He was the only one with power in his house.
Everyone of them came over and stayed at his place. 3 families and all their kids.
Ate his food….

I told him to imagine that but 10 fold when the SHTF.

A while back I moved 1/3 of my ammo stash and some guns into his place. Told him to forget about them until that day comes.

He knows if he calls me I will be there for him. But he also knows I won’t be one the family members that comes looking for a hand out.
I never want to be a burden for anyone and won’t be. My wife and I can live over a year just on the stuff we have stashed now.
But if they need me I would do all I can for them.

It’s easy for us to say we will open our doors for family during hard times.
But what scares me more than anything are the air born diseases or bird flu type plagues.

Will we open our doors to our family when they show throwing up blood and high fevers?

For me, I will just have to look up to God and ask for his protection.
I do this each day anyway so...hope I don't have to see this.

SimonJ

04-22-2008, 08:47 PM

You have to do as your heart tells you? Or is your immidiete family more important? Its a tough call. However, if there were a bug going around and some one showed up with the symthoms, I would ask them to leave the area. If they refused I would help them leave. Have a pit handy and some quicklime to throw over them. It holds down the smell and the bugs if you throw a bit of dirt on as well. Im going to do a Noah. If they wont help themselves, they wont get much help from me. Other then a one way ticket to their deity.

Berean

04-23-2008, 09:46 AM

The only people that know about my plans are my husband and my sons and a repairman that came last year. I will take care of my parents and my MIL. I doubt that my siblings would have enough sense to come here. One is 13 hours away and the other 2 8 hours away.

Caplock50

04-23-2008, 10:26 AM

SimonJ, I'm going to try and throw a monkey wrench into your plans. Let's say an invasion hits my area, and I have to haul out of here with just what I can grab and carry on my back. Let's say that now I show up at your door... Through no fault of my own, here I stand nearly empty-handed, asking for help... What you gonna do? Look at my avatar. Add to that about a weeks worth of dirt from evading the enemy. Will I look like the type you'd willingly take in? Will I end up in your garden, scaring up the beans? How you gonna determine this one?

I'm not attacking you or your ideas. I just want to try to point out for everyone, it ain't as simple and cut-and-dried as it sounds.

SimonJ

04-23-2008, 11:49 AM

Cappy, I will assume you know the password and the secret handshake. I am supposeing of course a "Best laid plan" scenario. Everyone has their goodies together, advance warning and lots of time. If its so sudden that there is not a chance, and its some one I know isnt going to be an outright burden on the , for want of a better phrase, Clan. Then there is every possibility that they will get in. Even bare handed and needing help, some folks would contribute more overall then others with a truckload of goodies. Id say its on a individual basis.

Caplock50

04-23-2008, 04:32 PM

Thanks SimonJ, that's all I ask and I won't ask for more...just give me a chance to explain my circumstances. If you're 'at capacity', I would appreciate a bite of food and a swallow or two of water, and a hint at a direction in which to travel on. Oh, and maybe a place to lay my head for a bit of rest, too. All I may have for payment is the knowledge that the enemy is only a day or so behind me...but I think that will be worth quite a lot, in those times.

Navajo

04-23-2008, 04:40 PM

Sorry Caplock50 but if I see you come over the hill or off the paved road, 1/2 mile away heading to my house. And taking into consideration the Hat, beard, and gun....I don't give you much chance of making it to the doorway much less the gate 1/4 mile from the front door.;-)

Even if you seem like a nice guy on line.

Little RedRidingHood

04-23-2008, 04:45 PM

NO is the best answer I can give. YET ... since both my parents were young and lived on farms during the Great Depression, and transfered the prepper mentality to me at a very young age ... anyone who has known me my whole life knows I prep!
But ... does anyone near our new place know we prep? NO, not to the point that we do.
Nor will they. We take great care while unloading the rig after a prep run, and until it is all in it's place ... we don't have visitors. That is the standing rule. We also do NOT make prep runs while we have company, family or no.
When the time comes, and IF they are part of the group ... that is the time for them to know, not before.
Loose lips DO sink ships ... even those of great preppers!

Caplock50

04-23-2008, 05:05 PM

Navajo, personally, I think you'll be losing a lot more than what you'd be gaining, going that route. As I've said on another thread, us good guys *will* let you know well in advance that we *are* good guys. First off, being a good guy, I won't be trying to hide from you. As a matter of fact, I'll probably be trying real hard to get your attention...to let you know I'm there. I'll probably be waving a white flag over my head, and 'hailing the house', too. Now, the bad guys will be trying their best to sneak up on you. You've got to learn to 'read' people now, otherwise you'll be burying more good guys than you will bad ones.

Navajo

04-23-2008, 05:59 PM

Well raising a white flag is better, and walking up unarmed or at least arms as easy and you might make it to the intercom at the gate.

Then after a little conversation over the intercom and arms get laid down you might proceed up the road.

I was saying you show up with gun draw you’re not even going to make it to the front door.

As far as shooting good or bad... I have a lot of land available for pushing up daisy or in my case sage brush. Nearest neighbor is 1/2 mile away and their isn't anybody to the south of us. A good 1 1/2 mile to some foot hills and nobody on the other side of them for 20 miles.

As far a good and bad... I can live with letting God sort them out.

After being in the military and Iraq I have a well developed sense of who is good and bad and my "spider senses" have served me well over the years.

If you are a good guy looking for help you are taking a risk traveling and asking for help, lots of people in the country aren't going to be as generous as I can be. Especially after a couple of "incidents" happen to country folk and the word gets around that "good guys" are sometimes not so good. Word will travel fast so it would be best not to be a good guy looking for help in the country. My responsibility is my family and keeping them safe at all cost, I can live the consequences to my actions because I know my family will be safe.

SimonJ

04-23-2008, 06:38 PM

I dont know how many different books Ive read with the EOTWAWKI or TSHTF big time as the main premise. They all are on the dark side and invariably when some one tries to be a good peson they wind up dead on the door post or pincushioned in the yard. Haveing studied a bit of sykology, and watching people go from regular folks to raveing idiots in a few seconds dureing a crisis, a lot of seeming good folk now will go over the edge then. I have a feeling that there will be small isolated groups and it will take quite awhile before any peaceful commerce takes place. Mainly because of the vultures that will be preying on the civil minded folks. It will become as parochial as dark age Europe and likely as unfriendly to strangers. That being said, it could be worse.
Never go out and about with out at least one other person covering your back. Get used to being uncomfortably dressed. Armor, even a padded jerkin is uncomfortable to work in.
Make sure the Ladies dont get to flashy with their looks. A sure fire way to draw in the unsavory sort is if they see a clean woman alone and unprotected. Same with kids. They can get to adventurous for their own good. Try and make your place look dead. Dont have a nice clean well traveled path leading right in. Thats an invite to trouble for sure. Get a couple of good dogs. Not yappers, big mean ass mongrols. They are better able to survive tehn the fancey purebreds and are apt to breed better pups.

Caplock50

04-24-2008, 07:24 PM

As I've said before...the only reason I'll be traveling is because it was my absolute last option open. I agree, SimonJ. When 'it' hits, I think we'll be finding that about 75% of our 'society' are really bad guys.

Navajo, with this phrase...

"After being in the military and Iraq I have a well developed sense of who is good and bad and my "spider senses" have served me well over the years."

...you've told me all I need to know...and I salute you and your goals.

ColdWater

05-20-2008, 01:29 PM

As I've said before...the only reason I'll be traveling is because it was my absolute last option open. I agree, SimonJ. When 'it' hits, I think we'll be finding that about 75% of our 'society' are really bad guys.

Cap said: "the only reason I'll be traveling:.

Question for all. If Bug Out is last chance, how, when, where, would you let anyone know you are coming to their BOL.

I feel it is imperative to have additional like minded for the BOL but letting one know you are on the way may be hard or impossible to ahead of arrival.

Cap if you can make it this far you are welcome. Just wave the white flag. And bring goodies too.:mrgreen:

momof23goats

05-21-2008, 02:07 PM

CAPPY, DON'T go west, come north. i got plenty of room, I can give ya a place to bunk down, fresh water, and hot food.

Falls_Tech

05-23-2008, 09:05 AM

I've got this friend who is a big time DGI. But he just happens to live in the perfect bug out location. Including a well stocked pond in his backyard. He lives alone in a huge house and I plan on just showing up if it hits the fan. But my suv will be loaded down with freezdried food, 'protection', bottled water, sleeping bags, first aid, water filters, the whole nine yards. All stuff he doesn't have.

ELBUFO

05-27-2008, 11:09 AM

Some of my friends know about my "Stash". These people are either geared up, or on the way to doing so. Thankfully my hide hole is hard to access. I have already told my friends (selectively) To show up If they have to, as we have a mutual admiration society. As far a strangers??? I have to be a realist. If wanderers show up, they are looking for one thing only. If you give them a handout and turn them away, you can bet your last can of beans THEY WILL BE BACK. I suspect with some backup. What a conundrum! The only practical solution: DROP THEM ON SIGHT. I hate to say that, but people are animals. Starving animals are dangerous. We will all do what we have to, sad to say.

Carlton

06-09-2008, 06:35 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPYwmHiseXQ

Watch this.

Glad I only have to really be responsible for my wife and I.
Having a kid would suck.

Wow, that video really freaked me out and my heart sunk.

I guess it is important to be careful who we talk to.

Caplock50

06-14-2008, 06:44 PM

ColdWater, unfortunately, if I show up on your doorstep, I'll probably have only what I can carry on my poor, broken-down back, because, as I said, "...the only reason I'll be traveling is because it was my absolute last option open." You see, this is my home and I plan on fighting for it to the last drop of their blood. It also means I didn't have time to send out any 'signal' telling anybody I was having to evac...which means I'll be a surprise to anybody where I finally do show up.

ELBUFO, you scare me...with talk of killing everyone who shows up at your place...regardless of their status. Have you already lost all of your humanity? And the 'S' hasn't even hit the fan yet.

Caplock50

06-14-2008, 06:49 PM

As I've said on another thread(I think it was, "Idaho makes an offer"), you can fairly accurately determine the good guys from the bad ones by carefully watching their body language. The good guys will show you that they care about you and yours, while the bad ones will show you they only care about themselves. And now is the time to be honing that skill; now when a mistake won't be nearly as costly as later.

Xenophon

06-14-2008, 08:09 PM

NONE OF my friends have a clue, I tried to talk to them years ago. and they said they were coming here,

I have found a way to explain to the sheep that they will NOT be going to my house uninvited if TSHTF.

I explain it in a way that even they can understand.

I ask them if they have car insurance. They invariably do. I ask them; "If I was in a car wreck in California while your car was parked in a garage in Georgia, would your car insurance cover my wreck?"

This is a bizarre question, and so it often needs to be repeated so they will understand that their car is at home, in the garage, and was not involved in the wreck in any way, shape, or form. Then then say no, that their insurance would not cover my wreck.

I then ask, "Well, what if I was a dumbass and didn't buy insurance. It would reasonable fo you to pay for my wreck then, right?". Many become indignant at the suggestion, and say that it is pretty dumb to say.

I then say, "Well, my stuff I have laid up is my STHF insurance policy. It covers me and mine. It doesn't cover you and yours. You need to buy insurance for you and yours just like you buy car insurance for YOUR car."

Now this was back when I used to try to preach prepping to the sheeple, but I found that I was ignored or derided 100% of the time, so I stopped. I don't have that Q&A anymore, because I don't have the conversation that leads to it.

Invariably though, there would be an insistance that I was just kidding, right? And they would ask if they could come over. I would tell them "Sure, you can come over. But you won't be eating any of my food."

That tended to end it.

jazzy

06-14-2008, 09:39 PM

i think cappy is right, body language says alot---i also watch the eyes, the eyes can tell you more.

i believe self defense will be necessary, but..................

i also believe that in following Christ, He will help with discernment as to who to help and who to send packing. if we live by faith, as we are supposed to do, we HAVE to trust God will speak to us in these hard times a-comin'. we HAVE to be open to who He might send to us or have cross our path. just because im prepping, it doesnt mean all my preps are for me and only me. thats not Gods way.

my preps are not worth damaging my soul over. if i lose it all, God will still provide for me or ill be coming home to Him.

the early christians faced some really hard times, many had to go into hiding to survive. did they have preps or did they survive by the goodness and providence of the Father? we may have to do the same thing, but our preps should not be what we trust in or are willing to die for.

maybe we may be called to share or sacrifice them--i dont know. i do know i feel called to prepare for hard times the best i can, but God handles the rest. maybe im not prepping for me.

but it shouldnt matter, if i trust God to lead my life. i know He wont leave me and mine desolate and starving, even if lose the preps, and all that ive worked for these years. God always has another plan, ours is not always the one and only way.

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i wanted to add that i often feel the same as many about people with the means but too lazy to prep for themselves, or freeloaders. they make me angry when i hear them say they will just come over here. God willing we will be able to find a place of our own and move and then only a very few will i let know where we are. im no saint and i hope i did not come off like i was trying to be holy or something. i do prep to be able to help others, and the prep-suckers (those who never did anything for themselves but expect me to take them in) piss me off.

but i do strongly believe that we have to allow God to speak to us in the dark days as to who to help and maybe let in and who to be on guard for.

Caplock50

06-14-2008, 10:04 PM

Look it up...Luke 17 verses 31, 32 and 33. Also try Matthew 24, verses 17, 18, 19, and 20.

Then look up where it says that God feeds the lowly sparrows abundantly and clothes the lilies of the field beautifully. You'll also find there that He says "If God does these things for them; then how much more will He do for you?"

I will *not* lose my soul over earthly 'treasures'. "But if a thief is found breaking in and he be killed; then no blood shall be shed for him". This verse from the Bible says that if I catch anyone trying to steal my preps; God won't hold anything against me should I have to kill him to stop him. "Any man who does not provide for his family is worse than an infidel". Here, He is telling us to prep.

momof23goats

06-25-2008, 07:31 PM

I have told no one. MY boys know because they have been in and out of the basement. my youngest, was upset, that my brother in law was in th basement, looking at my wood furnace. He did ask what the food was for, I reminded him , I always put up to have enough through the winter.
My youngest son, said yeah, to get us through ww3, and said any more problems mom, get me here, no one else in the basement. I told him , I don't let others in the basement, and that the BIL, has moved to the KY, line, so I don't think he will make it back up here, and he said, your right, probably not. but we don't let any one in our basement, or any room of the house, except the kitchen. and that is it.We don't want people coming in. we really don't want any one knowing what we do or don't have.