Idaho makes an offer...

[rancher]

Preface; We have been meeting/interviewing and accepting people for only six months. First we completed our Ranch, in good faith. We have grown in numbers, with positive folks coming on board. No one is forced to join or to stay with us. Simply for survival and safety sake, we have some requirements each couple must have in place or be almost there with. We did it all first and do not need any of your supplies or gear. So please read this posting with an open mind. We are not a cult, a control group or anything strange. Simply good folks creating relationships and working together to increase our collective ability to survive almost any disaster. If this is not for you, the 98% of the readers out there, we do not intend on what we are doing to be a comparison issue. Good luck to all of you working hard at planning ahead. :wink: :)






Living in northern Idaho, on our beautiful sixty acre Ranch. Here, my lovely wife and I have, over time, gone to great lengths and expense to make it very well secured and equipped. We’re able to operate on or off the power grid and are able to survive for around two years on what we have set up for ourselves. What we are still looking for are a few remaining qualified adult only couples (five to six couples) of like mind and spirit, to hook up with our current group out here. We are all preparing/pre-positioning, to join up at our Ranch working together, only in the event of a local life threatening disaster of any sort. Not if we are just having hard economic times.

We all realize... that none of us alone, can safely sleep, prepare food, eat, bath, cut/split firewood, take care of the chores, relax and very importantly watch the perimeters... all at the same time. Therefore teaming up with additional folks (healthy, in good physical shape, vigorous and non smokers) with qualified eyes and hands would go a long way in successfully holding on to, what very few of us have actually worked so hard to set aside for ourselves. Everyone on board must be trainable, able to happily work together, operate within the rules/guidelines, hike the hills, maintain their watches (cold or hot), handle their firearms, or fill in for another partners position. We... initially qualify folks by, what they have already acquired and accomplished, not by their intent or talk of future preparations. Your personal skills and training will be very important and valuable to us all. Our group is growing with highly qualified and very well prepared couples. It appears that the average couples financial investments into all their current food, clothing, personal needs, weapons, ammo, technical gear, communications and so much more has ranged between 40k to 90k and more. This group as a whole ,will now be expecting others to have placed similar importance on their personal lives by already preparing to like levels.

In turn, our growing group can provide a very secure and comfortable semi remote location to those couples we might still hook up with. If a couple is accepted by our group, they would then need to acquire a well equipped R.V. for their personal living quarters. You can not just show up without your living quarters secured ahead of time. We have already created sites, under cover or in the open, unlimited water, power and outhouses to handle several. Aside from our personal home, we have a rustic guest home with several bedrooms. It is a great “fall back position” if, the weather becomes to severe to handle, in your other personal quarters. We’ve teamed up with some of our other secluded neighbors here in various ways, doing much of the same thing, watching each others backs.

Remember, none of us know the hour/day of a potential need to fall back to a preplanned location. It might not ever occur. It might happen in the dead of winter.... are you ready? We are. We still have some room left for only the serious, ready to go couples who can cut it. We focus on preparations not ones theories and speculations of the future. We can not get involved with any more families and their little children, or pets, just mature couples. None of us wish to overthrow the government, challenge local authority, hate others outside their own race, (who knows who we will approve), have a doom and gloom mind set or are criminals. Just good American Citizens wishing to hook up with like kind, not expecting any real outside help, working together to survive a possible crisis well prepared and successfully. Please feel free to contact us and tell us about yourselves. Again...tell us about yourselves, we have already told you about us. John Contact through this site or leave us a message.

[Caplock50]

Too cold up there...and it'll be getting much more colder when the new ice age begings...in a few years...or has it already begun? Global warming has halted; world temps have held steady since 2001. Very soon now, they'll begin to drop. But they won't be stablizing back where they began. They'll just continue to drop. And that part of the country will become, for the most part, un-inhabital due to the extreme cold.

Not JMHO, but also that of a few leading scientists in the field.

It's why TPTB have left our southern borders so open. If 'they' can come across in such large numbers undetected, then we can also...going in the opposite direction.

Hide and watch.

[KuernoDeChivo]

Cold? Heck that area is knows as the "banana belt"!..lol

I have been considering doing something similar since land is fairly cheap up there. I worry more about Yellowstone then an immediate ice-age.

I guess an ice-age is always possible I just won't hold my breath. Better get some land in Mexico and start building a northern fence to keep out the Canadians...lol

[kelee877]

and start building a northern fence to keep out the Canadians...lol
(quoted from above)


Hey..thats me...I am Canadian...and I would not put a fence up and keep you out...I would invite you up hand you a fishing pole and tell ya to catch dinner :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Soren]

I like the idea. The value of networking is something I suspect a lot of preppers underestimate. It doesn't fit for me right now, but I suggest you provide some additional info, like terrain, weather, soil conditions, proximity to medical facilties, population density, etc.

[rancher]

From rancher... Here in northern Idaho the one previous poster was very accuate. It is called for good reason, the banana belt. West side of the rockies, major cold fronts come down the east side...Montana, etc. Next major storms are tempered by the Cascade mountain range west of here, called Sierras down south. The pacific ocean moderates in coming temperature extremes. We have had gardens for 35 years, some twice in one season for certain crops. Ever hear of Idaho spuds?? Our soil is fine, but as many I have seen it always needs some extra help to start out with. Air is very clean, more water than one could ever need and populations are centered around towns and citites. Look on the maps. Ice age or warming trends... I just laugh. Nothing in history which is a natural thing like, that happens over night. We are preparing for much quicker events, so if one wishes to do little because of an "ice age" you better have a hole to jump in full of gold coins if...something happens like an economic collapse ot a huge natural disaster like we see in the news every month or so. Yellowstone has been studied and the past evidence shows all the major damage going east, some but much less north and south. We are north west by a few hundre dmiles. Jet streams and prevailing lower winds drive eastward. It is over two major mountain ranges away, including the contenental divide from here. So go figure? We might feel a minor earthquake or even a distant ash cloud moving east from a very high mountain or a plane. This State and area is always in the top one or so positions when it comes to survival retreat locations on any studies I have read. But we are all free to make our own choices, right. We continue to look for the last few well prepared couples needing a safe place to go to in a long term life threatening event. We are fortunatley almost full, spud....

[rancher]

from spud, A question was also asked, about medical facilities.... I am not sure why? If an event ever occured bad enough for us to draw together there would no longer be any medical facilities open and truly running. The stores in town would have sold out or been plundered, law and order would have left or been wiped out, hospitials would be empty as power grids are down and their back up systems ran out of their two day fuel reserves, plus they themselves have been over run by a paniced and scared hungry popualtions getting more desperate, meaner and more violent by the hour. There would be no real safe place to even go to or way to get there or even a reason to go. Thus our ranch is in complete and total lock down, chained up and under multiple rifle sights from us. I hope that clears up some more why we are doing this. We entend on survivng, not going into town for some half and half.... there will be no town...

[Soren]

I guess it depends on your bugout threshold. I could see choosing to live in a more remote setting in situations less dire than a full blown Mad Max meltdown. Say we had a severe depression, but the system continued to function. I realize many would say a depression would cause everything to implode, but no one really knows for sure. I can envision a spectrum of possible scenarios. Under many of them, people would be trying to be as self-sufficient as possible, and yet, trying to live normal lives, away from the urban areas, which would likely be experiencing significant social unrest, perhaps chaos. Access to medical facilities, schools, and other amenities might be important. Maybe your plan is to only gather should extreme conditions occur, in which case these factors become irrelevant.

[KuernoDeChivo]

I think it is a good idea for those with the resources to do it. I have proposed similar a similar retreat to my family and fellow preppers in the mountains of Central Utah but so far no one takes it as serious as I do.

The model I was looking at starting would be to have a group of us buy adjoining parcels that should make it easier to defend the whole area.

I have a feeling there will be various groups like this communicating via Ham Freqs sharing info once TSHTF.

I think one of the most important issues to work out is a fresh water supply. Not just enough to drink but enough to grow crops and provide for some modest fire suppression.

Anyway good luck with your Project.

Isn't Jack McLamb up in that area? I think Bo Gritz used to be up there but I know allot of patriots have been at odds with him lately.

[rancher]

To Utah, Good points about not finding many or any willing to put up what they talk about:):) Water is an issue, it is life and...a very tradable resource when people run out of fuel to run their little generators to pump it up from the well... We store long range feul in depos, run two wells, two devilery systems plus a manual hand pump. Store 8,500 gallons below ground at all times, flushed daily by use. Have a 475,000 gallon fish pond with tons of fish 8 or so types which breed...to eat. Some are 26" long now and very healthy.
Fire controls...great point as well. We have approached that issue with cases od barricade spray foam...no burn after that goes on. Roof top huge sprinkler systems, 1.5" fire hose in building, 2" feeder line to home. Several chains saws always reday to cut down anything needed and a 5" and 2" dry hydrant system in the big pond. If that all fails...we run like crazy:):).

[rancher]

As we posted...life threatening only, not economic hard times. We like our privacy and can easily afford to weather those economic times as we planned for them to come years ago. No debt at all, own it all, no need to go to town for a couple years (for wife and I) even have the dog food put up. We realize we are extremely fortunate and blessed. But on the other hand none of all this got done watching TV :):):). This is just us and how we do things, not a reflection on any of you. There are many ways to handle a tough times...good luck to you all.

[Maximilian]

Too bad you guys are so close to that caldera (Yellowstone). :wink:

Good luck to you guys.
I got family, who are sheep to help and am more a solo type anyways.
Does kinda peek an interest though.

Interesting way to send the word out.

So you doing background checks on people who want to come your way?
A lot of wierdo's out there...not to mention feds.

[rancher]

Yes we do background checks and confirm all supplies as well. Ahead of time. How???? Let's say the group includes FEDs so to speak. We are not a threat at all to our government. We are just a group of honest people wishing to free up any needed government food and help for others instead:):) We have active high ranking military on board, active law enforcement and others as well. We are legal and so is everything we have on our land. We support law and order and would only be looking forward to in being restored ASAP if something bad happened. Hope that helps some.

[Tundra Gypsy]

I'm very far north in Idaho and would like to do the same thing; only on a smaller scale. We just purchased 15-acres outside of town and at the end of a long dirt road. Hubby wanted the property for hunting the nearby mountain and I wanted it for a 'retreat.' There is lots to do to get it into a bug-out place. Its got a nice manufactured home on it; with outbuildings and a good sized barn. It has lots of potential.

[rancher]

Welcome to a better lefe up here. You are taking on a very difficult task, to open up your homestead sa a retreat. The construction and infrastructure is very costly to create. Then the months and years working through countless people who think...they are ready.... to join up with. Thank God we are almost done. Next time I will learn how to fly, buy a good small cargo plane and keep it here at the Ranch. Then if need be I will just fly off to a quiet place to live for awhile. :roll:

[Caplock50]

Hey Rancher, really, I *do* wish you all the luck you can use. Heck, after all the dust has settled, I'll mosey up that way and pay ya'll a visit...Ok? Anybody thinking as far ahead as you are deserves all the support you can get. So, as I said, I wish you luck.

[rancher]

We real appreciate the kind words. Just came inside from fortifying one more of our posts. I find myself working on this project almost everyday, regardless of what else I am doing. Take care...rancher

[rancher]

Hello Gypsy,
We also have some within our family who believe differently. No problem and I call them... victims to be. We truly hope all works out around Idaho, this nation and the world. But history always seems to repeat itself, even when those living in that time feel/believe they are the special ones and will be spared? The rain falls on us all equally.
We simply have positioned ourselves on the higher ground and have gotten well stocked so to say. Much as Noe did not open the Ark to the general public to come onboard, neither will we. Our family much as his, who pitched in to help build the Ark or develop this place for a trying event will be the family who stays here. Our group of 20 has a common vision and we funded it and we will reap the benefits. As you know just surviving now a days is hard enough, let alone saving for the future. Many of us have sacrificed a lot to save up while the vast majority have played away their money. If the tables ever turn on them, we will feel bad, but not open our gates to deplete our reserves.
May I nicely warn you, if you intend to run to Idaho to escape the fury of the any disasters, think again. It takes a lot of coin to set up a safe place, store up one to two years of good food, 2,500 calories per day. To settle in and survive. 99% of Idaho folks are not going to do well after the first month or two. Within three to five months the whole State will become a free for all so to speak. People are the same everywhere. Idaho offers more seclusion and better weather and abundant water, but it still takes a lot of coin.
Winters are long and cold and staying warm and dry is not easy. If you decide to come here, survey the areas and pick out a good spot with potential to make it without power. Many folks have moved up here to pick the wrong spots and now are stuck with it. Good luck and again we hope all works out and we will not need to fall back on a very well done plans and preparations. Take Care, rancher

[dreadstalker]

good luck rancher.
My MAG is local and have a few other areas to go, but networking is always a good deal.

[rancher]

rancher here... I agree networking is wise in some cases. For us we limit it to only those folks who have fully prepared. Not those that talk about it or are developing it. We are not pointing fingers, just stating our envelope. One must be fully stocked for at least one full year (we are in our third year right now) in everything down to hygiene and TP. If they intend on relocating to somewhere other than their home they must have all season shelter on hand and the means to heat it. Weapons and the ability and desire to use them if needed are expected. Being in decent physical shape is as well. plus if on any meds, they must be in the one year plan. I here some folks say they will hide out in the woods... we all just laugh out loud. Not up here in Idaho!! It snows a ton and dozens of feet up there...you will just die, simple. It snowed 12' at our ranch this winter. So without a real intelligent and practical plan you will die. In short without that...we are not good to them nor them to us in a disaster. Good luck on all your preparations and remember the woods will be full of freaky people thinking they will live off the land..... I think the land, the wolves, black bears, grizzlies, mountain lions, coyotes and other two legged predators will be feasting and living off them.

[dreadstalker]

Quite true.
Most people have no real idea on what it takes to be fully prepped. In most cases they still think that they will be able to maintain the same current lifestyle.
The ones who think that they can do it with out self relaince or by themselves are going to be in for a big shock.

[Desertrat]

Hey, Rancher! I'm pretty much in the same situation, although not as elaborate, and way the heckandgone south of you. I can deal with desert heat much better than cold. If I want hard water, there's this big, white box in the kitchen...

Looking back, I just feel lucky to have acquired the skill sets. Started out with farming/ranching; got into engineering, and car racing as an avocation. Always been a shooter/hunter/reloader. Built my own house fifteen years ago, and nothing's broken, yet. :) Sort of a hunting lodge with wall-to-wall carpet and A/C. I own a bunch of floodplain, so I dug my well with my backhoe. Usually have around 4,000 gallons in storage; maybe 20 gal/day usage each for me and the wife.

Not totally off the system, but I'm a bunch better off that way than most.

Best to ya,

'Rat

[Milk-maid]

Rancher,

What a wonderful offer. We'd have jumped on it had we not just spent our wad and bought where we recently moved to here. We are in the process now of building up a new network of people we can trust here since we left our brothers (LEO's) back home near the ocean. They're still working and not able to move yet.

Sounds like you have thought of everything. I commend you for your preparations and foresight.

MM

[rancher]

We are glad to see more groups forming. Safety in numbers. Gathering those numbers and sifting through them has been the hardest part of it all. I have gone everywhere I can think of to find these folks and pretty much get critized and put down by many other so called survivalists. Just letting you know what to expect.
Remember this if you wish, you do not need to justify yourself to any person or blogger. Stay focused on your goals. We are now about 20 souls and have only a tad more developed space.
Try to if you can afford it to have back up for everything you do. Two or more of everything important. Learn to store fuel. Study your position and then plan to attack it from every side. Then build or develop the effective means to thwart such an attack. If you can get people from current special forces, as they are well trained and current of some of the coolest stuff. Stuff like thermo sensing night vision weapons mounted sites. Not everyone must be a rambo fighter as food prep, food raising and cleaning are just as important. Spread out your ages so in ten years your group is still vibrant. Last, get sand bags and sand. Good Luck where ever you are. rancher

[Caplock50]

Rancher, what is the sand and sand bags for? Making protected outposts? If you have a good source of clay,...use that for bricks. Just mix in the stubble left over after you harvest a crop into the clay and then set it out in the sun to bake. Use the same clay as mortar to cement them in place. Once that has has time to 'set'; cover it with another layer of clay. This outer layer will need to be replaced after each rainy season, because that's why it's there...to give the rain something to 'wash away' instead of the actual construction. And here's the winning reason to go this route...you can plant actually growing camouflage right into the actual construction, and since the clay is native to the area, it will naturally blend right in...naturally. Hope this helps any and everyone.

[rancher]

Hi Caplock50, You are real close on that guess. My wife lived in Taos for many years and our northwest home we built, carries that flare and decore in many areas. Sadly we do lack that good old southwest clay here. Some clay but of a lower quality. It is snowing right now... One of many of our intents is (if ever needed) would be to appear to not even be here. Thus less attraction to us. With that in mind, many sand bags are set up to be put in place on the interior of said positions. Stacked higher around windows etc. They make for a good resource to be used to create quick adjustments to deal with new issues. Also in protecting sensitive equipment and stores. We much prefer to keep our groups "fangs" hidden and out of sight. Now their need might never come to pass, as we hope for that. But trying to have them at the ready while living a normal life is best for us. I will try the ideas you gave me on some outside locations and see if it stands up against our wet seasons. We got 16' of snow already and the avaerage rainfall here is about 6'. It might be to wet for clay blocks to endure? Time will tell. Take care, rancher

[Caplock50]

Rancher, you didn't make a mistake there did you? 6 feet(?) of rain in an average year? If that's true,...do you Folks have webbing between your toes? :lol: :wink:

Something you can also try to make the mud bricks last longer is to 'fire' them a little. They wouldn't have to baked into real bricks, because, for what they'd be used for, you'd want them to be somewhat 'crumbly'. It's that ability to crumble that absorbes the shock from the strike of a bullet...and keeps it from penetrating.

And during the cold of winter, remember, 'icecrete'. You can easily build temperary defensive positions using ice. But make them bullet 'repellent' by mixing a lot of sand(dirt) into the water before you let it freeze into blocks for your defensive wall.

More power to ye!

[rancher]

Hi Caplock, I sure did make a mistake. We get around 36" up here. It is snowing again today. Yesterday we drove 150 miles to buy an almost new green house. It was snowing some then.
Thanks for the tips of bricks. Right now I can not even see the dirt. When all the snow melts I will try to make a few then shoot them with several various weapons. Life is good and we can't wait to go fishing. It looks like almost 60 in a week from now.
We already have the bags and sand. This summer I will pre load a bunch and store them in one of the barns on pallets. They will not freeze there. That way they can be delivered to any sight quickly.
You take care and enjoy the summer, rancher

[Milk-maid]

Rancher, I hope you keep in touch on here and let us know any tips worthwhile knowing. You sound like you have it under control...but as things progress you will undoubtably have various things to surmount that would be interesting for all of us. So... until then.... :wink:

[Caplock50]

May I suggest that you save some of that sand for 'washing' your dishes? Just scrape out as much of the leftover food, and then scour the utensil out real good with the sand. And then rinse with a bit of water. The water can be filtered and re-used. The sand can be dumped on the ground, in the sun, and after a few days collected and re-used also. The sunlight and the ants will clean up the sand real good. This is a real good way to conserve your water supply. It's how the cowboys did it when they had to go days between waterholes, ya know.

[chicom]

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[dreadstalker]

That sand can also come in real handy to smother out petroleum flames.

[Caplock50]

chicom, there are many ways one can be 'cut off' from all that water. Best to learn a few ways to conserve it now instead of when you are in the situation.


And yes, I know that, basically, we are talking between ourselves here, but...others *are* 'listening in' on the conversation. So, although you, Rancher, and I are passing info between us, I'm also telling things for all those others.

Enjoy!


Edited to add:

I must have had an attack of 'Old timer's Disease'. I forgot to say, "Chicom, those sure are some mighty purdy pictures there. I'd really love to see that country in real life someday. Beautiful country!".

[Caplock50]

Rancher,...and all, here's another use for your clay. Make your own 'fire bucket'. They're great for heating a decent sized room...in an emergency. And do be sure to crack open a window when using it, too. You start with a 'foot tub'. I believe they'll measure around 14 inches in diameter and about a foot tall. Cut a square hole in the side about 1 inch up from the bottom of the bucket. Line the inside, about 1 inch thick, with your clay, leaving the hole open. Also, somehow form a 'false bottom' in it, with the clay, that is above the real bottom by about 3 inches. Put about 6 or 8 one inch holes in this false bottom. You might want to 'fire' this to be fairly sure the clay has turned to brick. But, once that's done, it's ready. You can set this bucket in the middle of the floor and build a small fire in it. If you're good enough, put a small metal door on the square opening on the side. You can use it as a sort of damper to regulate the amount of air getting to the fire. And since the fire is up on that false bottom, you really don't have to worry too much about the floor getting too hot...and doing bad things. I got one, but got too lazy to go get the actual measurements. These, here, I pulled from my memory. Mine is 'factory made' so you just might be able to find them on the net...if you know how to do it...and they still make them. Good luck!

[rancher]

Hi chicom.
He is correct we do have huge clean water supply. Conserving it right now is not an issue. If one does not use it ... it flows right by anyway. On our well here at the ranch we do need to watch the late fall consumption a little and hold it around 3,000 gallons per 24 hour period. Or the wells will cavitate and shut down for an hour or so. We store 7,500 under ground and also have a fish pond, 475,000 gallons, for an emergency food supply.
We don't go around just wasting water, but on the other hand we do not need to limit our use of it. It all goes right back into the aquifer and is used by someone way down below... in a week or month later. :shock:
Real close by we have one of the largest lakes in America. Pure, clean and 2,000 feet deep. We are boating and fishing there today. Within 20 minute we have at least seven other large lakes.
We picked up our third back up generator the other day. A Yanmar diesel. Top end unit. Not chinese. Once we run all the major needs around here on the 40KW or 15KW, we can shut down and power up this little baby. At 5,500 KW it will run the two homes on light duty, for less than a quart an hour. It will not pump the wells but it will pump the stored water all over the ranch. I run these units from time to time to keep them in top shape.
We are so glad to see the snow finally melting. It has been six months since it was 60 degrees outside. :roll:
We are still looking for a few couples that are very well prepared... but lack a safe place to retreat to and don't have good folks watching their backs while they sleep. :wink:
Take Care, rancher

[Caplock50]

Rancher, do you have a hand pump inside the house? You see, it only takes a handful of BGs to keep you all holed up inside your houses. If that be the case, what you gonna do? Take a chance of getting shot while getting water? Learn 'other ways' to do things so as to conserve the water inside your homes? See where I'm coming from?

Toss out the saying, "It'll never happen here with the way I've got things set up." Remember, "The best laid plans of men and mice often go astray". And Murphy's Law, "What can go wrong; will go wrong when you least expect it to and usually when you need it the most". And, "Plan for the worse..." If you don't want to have them already set up and operational; at least have them set up enough that you can easily connect a 'pitcher pump' to your water supply from inside the house.

[momof23goats]

well, any in my neck of the woods, would be welcomed here, if they could get here.

[libertymama]

Well as for this part of Idaho, we had SNOW again today...but hey, still counts, right?!

LM

[Bad Hand]

I am looking at buying land in Northern Idaho as right now I live in South East Idaho. Been there done that what you a talking about. I did it differently though no electricity, or phone ran traps and hunted. We rode horses in the summer, fall and dog sleds in the winter. found the only thing other than food that we need to stock pile was wood for winter.

[Caplock50]

And you'll be right...for the beginings. But, you can count on the purple-haired mutant hordes to learn, sooner than later, that there's food to be had 'in them thar hills'. There'll be those closer in that also know how to 'live off the land'. Some will be killed outright, but...others will be captured and will tell tales of 'El Dorado', the great food and ammo cache, and the hordes *will* come a'lookin' fer it...just as did Coronado for the real 'El Dorado'. And they'll probably show up when you've finally let your guard down, as per Murphy's Law.

Enjoy!

[Tundra Gypsy]

Idaho is a well armed state and the 'hordes' will have a hard time getting from town to town to get at other folks's food .

Of course you have to remember; there isn't the population up in this neck of the woods and I'm sure folks will come together quickly to make any necessary stands.

[Bad Hand]

The other thing about Idaho is most people are armed, heavily armed. The only ones that aren't are the new people that just moved here from Kalifornia and they don't have anything worth taking.

[Tundra Gypsy]

Uh, Bad Hand, I'm from Kalifornia and I disagree with ya. Lock and loaded. :) I may spend part of my time in Kalifornia but also live in Idaho. I think I'm better prepared than any of my neighbors; and I have a lot of neighbors. :) One is 91 and the rest are in their 60s,70s & 80s. Our newest neighbors recently retired from law enforcement and the correctional system. They moved to Idaho from Kalifornia last fall, but, I don't think I'd want to mess with them. LOL

[chicom]

Uh, Bad Hand, I'm from Kalifornia and I disagree with ya. Lock and loaded. :) I may spend part of my time in Kalifornia but also live in Idaho. I think I'm better prepared than any of my neighbors; and I have a lot of neighbors. :) One is 91 and the rest are in their 60s,70s & 80s. Our newest neighbors recently retired from law enforcement and the correctional system. They moved to Idaho from Kalifornia last fall, but, I don't think I'd want to mess with them. LOL


True there. A few of my friends are retired alphabet soup agents (not the agency you're thinking)who's last posting was a SWAT team in Southern California. We have quite a few of them up here because they see the writing on the wall and are disgusted by what fed.gov has become.

One couple is selling their cabin here due to their age and first dibs goes to any retiring agents that is friends with my buddy. The demographics in my area lean to the 60+ crowd, but there are plenty of children and grandchildren that visit and will be here if things go south.

It's good to know there are people around who kicked in doors of bad guys for a living (not those for paperwork mistakes or revenue generation).

[Dahlia]

How realistic could it be for city folk to "move out"? Even now, is it too late? .limited income and with spouse working in the city ( a trade he could do in a small town)---Just wondering...I would like to "get out" but, the reality is, I think some of us can't...there are so many homes for sale in our city that I don't know who is even buying... Anyhow, I guess we need to pray and then see how it could be...With those pictures, I think I'd love Idaho...It is beautiful. I'm not comfortable where we are, but, have been trying to act as if I lived somewhere else, yet blend in ya know?

[Caplock50]

Yup! Idaho is full of 'capable' Folks. And Texas is brimming over with gunslinging cowboy types, too. You know, the 'good ol' boys'. But, I'm still preparing to 'meet-and-greet' the purple-haired mutant hordes...as well as the mexican army...if there's an invasion. I ain't got the means to buy the supplies for such. But I do cover the areas...and I know how to 'backyard' quite a good number of 'home protection devices'...from scratch.