Meijer tracking ammunition purchases -for who?

[Bear]

I went out to get a few food items. There is a Meijer nearby, so thats where I ended up. As I was walking through the place I spotted Clearance tags on some shotgun ammo.
Well, it looked like a good deal so I hunted around for a store clerk to unlock the glass case (we're in Illinois remember) and get me a few boxes of the turkey loads.
So far so good. The clerk asks to se my Illinois FOID (firearms owner ID) which is required to touch or possess ammo. I dispaly the card, and she checks the expiration date. She then asks for the card itself.
I ask why she needs my FOID.
She replies that she needs to take the FOID number and log it, as its required by law. Heres where I get annoyed.

Its not required by law.
I only need to have in my posession a valid card. Thats it. Which got me to thinking why is Meijer logging ammo sales? And why are they documenting buyers? Walmart sells ammo too, and all they require is what the law says- proof of possession of a valid FOID.

I don't think I'll shop at Meijer anymore. Its bad enough we have infringement of the 2nd amendment in Illinois, I don't need some department store tracking what I buy. Matter of fact it pisses me right off.

Whats logged can be recovered by those with motivation. Its none of their business who I am, or what I buy.

Screw Meijer.

:evil:

[Flash6123]

I wonder if they got the wrong dates for when that was to take effect? Oh, my bad... it hasn't as of yet. :twisted:

[Bear]

I wonder if they got the wrong dates for when that was to take effect? Oh, my bad... it hasn't as of yet. :twisted:

Oh yes it has. Thats the point.

[Flash6123]

What? Just in illinois or nationwide? Here in Indiana we don't have to show our Firm Arms ID to buy Ammo.

[ScottyKarate]

Free people should never live in a state where you have to show a government card to buy guns or ammo.


Move as soon as possible.

[Flash6123]

Free people should never live in a state where you have to show a government card to buy guns or ammo.


Move as soon as possible. +1 , But what happens when the whole nation is run in this manner? Oh, that's right... I already have plenty. :twisted:

[PeterGunn]

Free people should never live in a state where you have to show a government card to buy guns or ammo.


Move as soon as possible.

+1 We buy ammo like bread or pop or any other merchandise.

[Bad Hand]

We don't need a stupid card to buy guns or ammo here.

Did you buy the ammo?

[AnnieOakley]

Bear, don't know how close you are to the Indiana line, but I would be making a trip here and loading up on some ammo.

[Thunder]

Wisconsin works for me. As a mater of fact I spend 90% of my disposable income in Wi so as not to support IL politicans.

[Bulldog30]

Glad I live here in Mississippi. I walk up to the counter, tell them what I want, the ring it up no questions asked. Thats the way it should be everywhere.

[DrPrepper]

MOVE.

I moved so can you.

[ddearinger]

I went out to get a few food items. There is a Meijer nearby, so thats where I ended up. As I was walking through the place I spotted Clearance tags on some shotgun ammo.
Well, it looked like a good deal so I hunted around for a store clerk to unlock the glass case (we're in Illinois remember) and get me a few boxes of the turkey loads.
So far so good. The clerk asks to se my Illinois FOID (firearms owner ID) which is required to touch or possess ammo. I dispaly the card, and she checks the expiration date. She then asks for the card itself.
I ask why she needs my FOID.
She replies that she needs to take the FOID number and log it, as its required by law. Heres where I get annoyed.

Its not required by law.
I only need to have in my posession a valid card. Thats it. Which got me to thinking why is Meijer logging ammo sales? And why are they documenting buyers? Walmart sells ammo too, and all they require is what the law says- proof of possession of a valid FOID.

I don't think I'll shop at Meijer anymore. Its bad enough we have infringement of the 2nd amendment in Illinois, I don't need some department store tracking what I buy. Matter of fact it pisses me right off.

Whats logged can be recovered by those with motivation. Its none of their business who I am, or what I buy.

Screw Meijer.

:evil:

SCREW ILLINOIS....I HAVE NO FOID???NEVER EVEN HEARD OF ONE AND I DAMN SURE AIN'T GETTIN ONE EITHER. WHAT COMMUNIST POS STATE. WE ARE IN FOR A RIDE PEOPLE.

[HouseWolf]

How 'bout we boycott Meijer? From what I read their actions exceed the State's laws, and to what purpose?

There are a lot of Meijer's near me.

I think a Kmart type boycott of those who feel a need to hinder freedom is appropriate, and in this economy might actually be felt.

Instead of chastizing Bear we should seek to support freedom, regardless of the state the actions are in.

Running away never fixed anything.

[Stropes]

I don't know about Indiana, but I know when we buy ammo or guns in Iowa we STILL have to show our Illinois FOID card and follow any gun laws/waiting periods in Illinois law. The "other" state still has to follow Illinois state laws.

As for living in the Socialist State of Illinois. . .anyone willing to help me relocate (finding a job/home/etc), feel free to PM me. Moving isn't quite as easy as throwing a bag in the truck and going. Wish it were. I would have been gone years ago.

[M1928]

I went out to get a few food items. There is a Meijer nearby, so thats where I ended up. As I was walking through the place I spotted Clearance tags on some shotgun ammo.
Well, it looked like a good deal so I hunted around for a store clerk to unlock the glass case (we're in Illinois remember) and get me a few boxes of the turkey loads.
So far so good. The clerk asks to se my Illinois FOID (firearms owner ID) which is required to touch or possess ammo. I dispaly the card, and she checks the expiration date. She then asks for the card itself.
I ask why she needs my FOID.
She replies that she needs to take the FOID number and log it, as its required by law. Heres where I get annoyed.

Its not required by law.
I only need to have in my posession a valid card. Thats it. Which got me to thinking why is Meijer logging ammo sales? And why are they documenting buyers? Walmart sells ammo too, and all they require is what the law says- proof of possession of a valid FOID.

I don't think I'll shop at Meijer anymore. Its bad enough we have infringement of the 2nd amendment in Illinois, I don't need some department store tracking what I buy. Matter of fact it pisses me right off.

Whats logged can be recovered by those with motivation. Its none of their business who I am, or what I buy.

Screw Meijer.

:evil:

This question applies to Californians as well - Why are you still in that cess-pool State?

[momof23goats]

for shot gun shells, I just go in and buy them .I wouldn't show nothing or give any info. sounds like big brother just got way to nosy from me.

[Stropes]

for shot gun shells, I just go in and buy them .I wouldn't show nothing or give any info. sounds like big brother just got way to nosy from me.

Except in Illinois you CANNOT do that. You do not show FOID, you do not purchase guns/ammo. You can choose not to purchase them, but you cannot buy them without the FOID (Firearm Owner's ID).

[Bear]

SCREW ILLINOIS....I HAVE NO FOID???NEVER EVEN HEARD OF ONE AND I DAMN SURE AIN'T GETTIN ONE EITHER. WHAT COMMUNIST POS STATE. WE ARE IN FOR A RIDE PEOPLE.

You underestimate the regime you serve. Remember where your king came from.
And how long before the same restrictions come to the rest of the states? I'm not leaving, and I won't be bullied by a stupid chain store into allowing my personal information to be captured. They can take their clearance ammo and shove it up their (edit).

[Vipper]

I don't know about Indiana, but I know when we buy ammo or guns in Iowa we STILL have to show our Illinois FOID card and follow any gun laws/waiting periods in Illinois law. The "other" state still has to follow Illinois state laws.

As for living in the Socialist State of Illinois. . .anyone willing to help me relocate (finding a job/home/etc), feel free to PM me. Moving isn't quite as easy as throwing a bag in the truck and going. Wish it were. I would have been gone years ago.

The ATF just come down on the gun shop in WI that FIL and Fluffy Hubby get a ton of stuff from. I am a WI resident they are not, the shop was not holding the guns for the waiting period required by IL for the sales to them... They got a nasty fine for it... And we both got calls about it from the shop owner. He said from now he either has to wait or use my name...

Kath

[Stropes]

The ATF just come down on the gun shop in WI that FIL and Fluffy Hubby get a ton of stuff from. I am a WI resident they are not, the shop was not holding the guns for the waiting period required by IL for the sales to them... They got a nasty fine for it... And we both got calls about it from the shop owner. He said from now he either has to wait or use my name...

Kath

At least they still have the option to use YOUR name.

[Sly]

"The clerk asks to se my Illinois FOID (firearms owner ID) which is required to touch or possess ammo."

I think that say's it all........

You are either "not worthy", or a "SLAVE to the system".......

[Stropes]

"The clerk asks to se my Illinois FOID (firearms owner ID) which is required to touch or possess ammo."

I think that say's it all........

You are either "not worthy", or a "SLAVE to the system".......

Nope. Just a citizen of the Socialist State of Illinois run by the Chicago Democratic Political Machine. . .the place that spawned our next president.

[Kent]

Except in Illinois you CANNOT do that. You do not show FOID, you do not purchase guns/ammo. You can choose not to purchase them, but you cannot buy them without the FOID (Firearm Owner's ID).

Buy from out of state, don't tell them. How would they know you are from out of state?

[Bear]

Welcome to The Firearms Licensing and Record of sale Act

HR45

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.

(a) Short Title- This Act may be cited as `Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009'.

(b) Table of Contents- The table of contents for this Act is as follows:

Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents.

Sec. 2. Findings and purposes.

Sec. 3. Definitions.

TITLE I––LICENSING

Sec. 101. Licensing requirement.

Sec. 102. Application requirements.

Sec. 103. Issuance of license.

Sec. 104. Renewal of license.

Sec. 105. Revocation of license.

TITLE II––RECORD OF SALE OR TRANSFER

Sec. 201. Sale or transfer requirements for qualifying firearms.

Sec. 202. Firearm records.

TITLE III––ADDITIONAL PROHIBITIONS

Sec. 301. Universal background check requirement.

Sec. 302. Failure to maintain or permit inspection of records.

Sec. 303. Failure to report loss or theft of firearm.

Sec. 304. Failure to provide notice of change of address.

Sec. 305. Child access prevention.

TITLE IV––ENFORCEMENT

Sec. 401. Criminal penalties.

Sec. 402. Regulations.

Sec. 403. Inspections.

Sec. 404. Orders.

Sec. 405. Injunctive enforcement.

TITLE V––FIREARM INJURY INFORMATION AND RESEARCH

Sec. 501. Duties of the Attorney General.

TITLE VI––EFFECT ON STATE LAW

Sec. 601. Effect on State law.

Sec. 602. Certification of State firearm licensing systems and State firearm record of sale systems.

TITLE VII––RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER LAW

Sec. 701. Subordination to Arms Export Control Act.

TITLE VIII––INAPPLICABILITY

Sec. 801. Inapplicability to governmental authorities.

TITLE IX––EFFECTIVE DATE

Sec. 901. Effective date of amendments.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS AND PURPOSES.

(a) Findings- Congress finds that––

(1) the manufacture, distribution, and importation of firearms is inherently commercial in nature;

(2) firearms regularly move in interstate commerce;

(3) to the extent that firearms trafficking is intrastate in nature, it arises out of and is substantially connected with a commercial transaction, which, when viewed in the aggregate, substantially affects interstate commerce;

(4) because the intrastate and interstate trafficking of firearms are so commingled, full regulation of interstate commerce requires the incidental regulation of intrastate commerce;

(5) gun violence in the United States is associated with the majority of homicides, over half the suicides, and two-thirds of non-fatal violent injuries; and

(6) on the afternoon of May 10, 2007, Blair Holt, a junior at Julian High School in Chicago, was killed on a public bus riding home from school when he used his body to shield a girl who was in the line of fire after a young man boarded the bus and started shooting.

(b) Sense of the Congress- It is the sense of the Congress that––

(1) firearms trafficking is prevalent and widespread in and among the States, and it is usually impossible to distinguish between intrastate trafficking and interstate trafficking; and

(2) it is in the national interest and within the role of the Federal Government to ensure that the regulation of firearms is uniform among the States, that law enforcement can quickly and effectively trace firearms used in crime, and that firearms owners know how to use and safely store their firearms.

(c) Purposes- The purposes of this Act and the amendments made by this Act are––

(1) to protect the public against the unreasonable risk of injury and death associated with the unrecorded sale or transfer of qualifying firearms to criminals and youth;

(2) to ensure that owners of qualifying firearms are knowledgeable in the safe use, handling, and storage of those firearms;

(3) to restrict the availability of qualifying firearms to criminals, youth, and other persons prohibited by Federal law from receiving firearms; and

(4) to facilitate the tracing of qualifying firearms used in crime by Federal and State law enforcement agencies.

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

(a) In General- In this Act:

(1) FIREARM; LICENSED DEALER; LICENSED MANUFACTURER; STATE- The terms `firearm', `licensed dealer', `licensed manufacturer', and `State' have the meanings given those terms in section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code.

(2) QUALIFYING FIREARM- The term `qualifying firearm' has the meaning given the term in section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by subsection (b) of this section.

(b) Amendment to Title 18, United States Code- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(36) The term `qualifying firearm'––

`(A) means––

`(i) any handgun; or

`(ii) any semiautomatic firearm that can accept any detachable ammunition feeding device; and

`(B) does not include any antique.'.

TITLE I––LICENSING

SEC. 101. LICENSING REQUIREMENT.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(aa) Firearm Licensing Requirement-

`(1) IN GENERAL- It shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to possess a qualifying firearm on or after the applicable date, unless that person has been issued a firearm license––

`(A) under title I of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, which license has not been invalidated or revoked under that title; or

`(B) pursuant to a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, which license has not been invalidated or revoked under State law.

`(2) APPLICABLE DATE- In this subsection, the term `applicable date' means––

`(A) with respect to a qualifying firearm that is acquired by the person before the date of the enactment of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, 2 years after such date of enactment; and

`(B) with respect to a qualifying firearm that is acquired by the person on or after the date of the enactment of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, 1 year after such date of enactment.'.

SEC. 102. APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.

(a) In General- In order to be issued a firearm license under this title, an individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under subsection (b)) an application, which shall include––

(1) a current, passport-sized photograph of the applicant that provides a clear, accurate likeness of the applicant;

(2) the name, address, and date and place of birth of the applicant;

(3) any other name that the applicant has ever used or by which the applicant has ever been known;

(4) a clear thumb print of the applicant, which shall be made when, and in the presence of the entity to whom, the application is submitted;

(5) with respect to each category of person prohibited by Federal law, or by the law of the State of residence of the applicant, from obtaining a firearm, a statement that the individual is not a person prohibited from obtaining a firearm;

(6) a certification by the applicant that the applicant will keep any firearm owned by the applicant safely stored and out of the possession of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;

(7) a certificate attesting to the completion at the time of application of a written firearms examination, which shall test the knowledge and ability of the applicant regarding––

(A) the safe storage of firearms, particularly in the vicinity of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;

(B) the safe handling of firearms;

(C) the use of firearms in the home and the risks associated with such use;

(D) the legal responsibilities of firearms owners, including Federal, State, and local laws relating to requirements for the possession and storage of firearms, and relating to reporting requirements with respect to firearms; and

(E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate;

(8) an authorization by the applicant to release to the Attorney General or an authorized representative of the Attorney General any mental health records pertaining to the applicant;

(9) the date on which the application was submitted; and

(10) the signature of the applicant.

(b) Regulations Governing Submission- The Attorney General shall promulgate regulations specifying procedures for the submission of applications to the Attorney General under this section, which regulations shall––

(1) provide for submission of the application through a licensed dealer or an office or agency of the Federal Government designated by the Attorney General;

(2) require the applicant to provide a valid identification document (as defined in section 1028(d)(2) of title 18, United States Code) of the applicant, containing a photograph of the applicant, to the licensed dealer or to the office or agency of the Federal Government, as applicable, at the time of submission of the application to that dealer, office, or agency; and

(3) require that a completed application be forwarded to the Attorney General not later than 48 hours after the application is submitted to the licensed dealer or office or agency of the Federal Government, as applicable.

(c) Fees-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General shall charge and collect from each applicant for a license under this title a fee in an amount determined in accordance with paragraph (2).

(2) FEE AMOUNT- The amount of the fee collected under this subsection shall be not less than the amount determined by the Attorney General to be necessary to ensure that the total amount of all fees collected under this subsection during a fiscal year is sufficient to cover the costs of carrying out this title during that fiscal year, except that such amount shall not exceed $25.

SEC. 103. ISSUANCE OF LICENSE.

(a) In General- The Attorney General shall issue a firearm license to an applicant who has submitted an application that meets the requirements of section 102 of this Act, if the Attorney General ascertains that the individual is not prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm.

(b) Effect of Issuance to Prohibited Person- A firearm license issued under this section shall be null and void if issued to a person who is prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm.

(c) Form of License- A firearm license issued under this section shall be in the form of a tamper-resistant card, and shall include––

(1) the photograph of the licensed individual submitted with the application;

(2) the address of the licensed individual;

(3) the date of birth of the licensed individual;

(4) a license number, unique to each licensed individual;

(5) the expiration date of the license, which shall be the date that is 5 years after the initial anniversary of the date of birth of the licensed individual following the date on which the license is issued (or in the case of a license renewal, following the date on which the license is renewed under section 104);

(6) the signature of the licensed individual provided on the application, or a facsimile of the application; and

(7) centered at the top of the license, capitalized, and in boldface type, the following:

`FIREARM LICENSE––NOT VALID FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE'.

SEC. 104. RENEWAL OF LICENSE.

(a) Application for Renewal-

(1) IN GENERAL- In order to renew a firearm license issued under this title, not later than 30 days before the expiration date of the license, the licensed individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under paragraph (3)), in a form approved by the Attorney General, an application for renewal of the license.

(2) CONTENTS- An application submitted under paragraph (1) shall include––

(A) a current, passport-sized photograph of the applicant that provides a clear, accurate likeness of the applicant;

(B) current proof of identity of the licensed individual; and

(C) the address of the licensed individual.

(3) REGULATIONS GOVERNING SUBMISSION- The Attorney General shall promulgate regulations specifying procedures for the submission of applications under this subsection.

(b) Issuance of Renewed License- Upon approval of an application submitted under subsection (a) of this section, the Attorney General shall issue a renewed license, which shall meet the requirements of section 103(c), except that the license shall include the current photograph and address of the licensed individual, as provided in the application submitted under this section, and the expiration date of the renewed license, as provided in section 103(c)(5).

SEC. 105. REVOCATION OF LICENSE.

(a) In General- If an individual to whom a license has been issued under this title subsequently becomes a person who is prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm––

(1) the license is revoked; and

(2) the individual shall promptly return the license to the Attorney General.

(b) Administrative Action- Upon receipt by the Attorney General of notice that an individual to whom a license has been issued under this title has become a person described in subsection (a), the Attorney General shall ensure that the individual promptly returns the license to the Attorney General.

TITLE II––RECORD OF SALE OR TRANSFER

SEC. 201. SALE OR TRANSFER REQUIREMENTS FOR QUALIFYING FIREARMS.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 101 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(bb) Unauthorized Sale or Transfer of a Qualifying Firearm- It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a qualifying firearm to, or for, any person who is not a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, or to receive a qualifying firearm from a person who is not a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, unless, at the time and place of the transfer or receipt––

`(1) the transferee presents to a licensed dealer a valid firearm license issued to the transferee––

`(A) under title I of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009; or

`(B) pursuant to a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 established by the State in which the transfer or receipt occurs;

`(2) the licensed dealer contacts the Attorney General or the head of the State agency that administers the certified system described in paragraph (1)(B), as applicable, and receives notice that the transferee has been issued a firearm license described in paragraph (1) and that the license remains valid; and

`(3) the licensed dealer records on a document (which, in the case of a sale, shall be the sales receipt) a tracking authorization number provided by the Attorney General or the head of the State agency, as applicable, as evidence that the licensed dealer has verified the validity of the license.'.

SEC. 202. FIREARM RECORDS.

(a) Submission of Sale or Transfer Reports- Not later than 14 days after the date on which the transfer of qualifying firearm is processed by a licensed dealer under section 922(bb) of title 18, United States Code (as added by section 201 of this Act), the licensed dealer shall submit to the Attorney General (or, in the case of a licensed dealer located in a State that has a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of this Act, to the head of the State agency that administers that system) a report of that transfer, which shall include information relating to––

(1) the manufacturer of the firearm;

(2) the model name or number of the firearm;

(3) the serial number of the firearm;

(4) the date on which the firearm was received by the transferee;

(5) the number of a valid firearm license issued to the transferee under title I of this Act; and

(6) the name and address of the individual who transferred the firearm to the transferee.

(b) Federal Record of Sale System- Not later than 9 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall establish and maintain a Federal record of sale system, which shall include the information included in each report submitted to the Attorney General under subsection (a).

(c) Elimination of Prohibition on Establishment of System of Registration- Section 926(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking the second sentence.

TITLE III––ADDITIONAL PROHIBITIONS

SEC. 301. UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIREMENT.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101 and 201 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(cc) Universal Background Check Requirement-

`(1) REQUIREMENT- Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a firearm to any person other than such a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with subsection (t).

`(2) EXCEPTION- Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the infrequent transfer of a firearm by gift, bequest, intestate succession or other means by an individual to a parent, child, grandparent, or grandchild of the individual, or to any loan of a firearm for any lawful purpose for not more than 30 days between persons who are personally known to each other.'.


Move out of Illinois??? Why? You going to move out of the USA?

[Jbuck]

You underestimate the regime you serve. Remember where your king came from.
And how long before the same restrictions come to the rest of the states? I'm not leaving, and I won't be bullied by a stupid chain store into allowing my personal information to be captured. They can take their clearance ammo and shove it up their (edit).
Good for you Bear. You must be one of the guys Greg Everson was talking about tonight on Steve Quayle's show.
If we had more men like you that were defending our nation on the home front, then maybe my grandson would have a chance to grow up.
THANK YOU, Bear.
JBuck

[REB44]

I've never bought a gun or ammo from a store!!!!

[grizzly]

Free people should never live in a state where you have to show a government card to buy guns or ammo.


Move as soon as possible.
I agree.

[grizzly]

Free people should never live in a state where you have to show a government card to buy guns or ammo.


Move as soon as possible.
Sorry, I didn't see the line towards the bottom that said to move as soon as possible, I don't necessary agree with that part.
Actually I was thinking basically that this nation should have ever gotten to the point where you have to present a goverment approved card to purchase guns or ammo, in any state here in the US.

Bottom line, it sure is a sad day in the us when you have to worry about tptb may be concerned that you want to protect your family and self.
What do they have to fear if they are not after our freedoms?

[ddearinger]

You underestimate the regime you serve. Remember where your king came from.
And how long before the same restrictions come to the rest of the states? I'm not leaving, and I won't be bullied by a stupid chain store into allowing my personal information to be captured. They can take their clearance ammo and shove it up their (edit).

i am with you bear....i have had enough of this bull****. i do not underestimate the regime at all but i also know that this kind of trash usually starts in a state like kali or illinois. i was not being brash towards you. i am as disgusted and literally sick to my stomach regarding this as you are. IT IS TIME TO WATER THE TREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[danoon]

They are tracking EVERYTHING you buy.. I went into Lowes yesterday to get some wire connectors. They usually ask for your zip code.. today she asked for my phone number..
I asked what happens if I don't have a phone and she said then I need your address.

I told her I didn't have a phone and I was homeless... she gave me a look and typed something and handed me my package. I'm sure I'm on video buying wire connectors if they need it. [sigh]

[westernhalf]

They are tracking EVERYTHING you buy.. I went into Lowes yesterday to get some wire connectors. They usually ask for your zip code.. today she asked for my phone number..
I asked what happens if I don't have a phone and she said then I need your address.

I told her I didn't have a phone and I was homeless... she gave me a look and typed something and handed me my package. I'm sure I'm on video buying wire connectors if they need it. [sigh]

If you had just told her "no," do you think she would have sold you the connectors? Why do stores do this....truly troubling.

[danoon]

If you had just told her "no," do you think she would have sold you the connectors? Why do stores do this....truly troubling.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure she would have.. I haven't seen any law that says you have to identify yourself to purchase anything in this state.. yet. I recall a couple months ago some store said they needed my phone number and I replied "No you don't" and the lady sold me the item without further comment. What irks me is that somewhere, somebody has a record of everything you buy and they are trying to complete it.

The "WHY" is the troubling part... preparing us for the Mark?

[contractor909]

I recently purchased 22 mag rounds at a farm store in Cedar Falls, Iowa, the only question was the usual zip code request at the cash register. They ask for zip code no matter what you purchase. All of their ammo is out in the open, nothing under lock & key.

No problem here.....yet.....

[michigreg]

I recently purchased 22 mag rounds at a farm store in Cedar Falls, Iowa, the only question was the usual zip code request at the cash register. They ask for zip code no matter what you purchase. All of their ammo is out in the open, nothing under lock & key.

No problem here.....yet.....

When I get ammo at the BIG store around here (JAY'S, in Clare) they ask for the ZIP code, and I give them the one for JAY'S....:mrgreen:

[tiger13]

+1 , But what happens when the whole nation is run in this manner? Oh, that's right... I already have plenty. :twisted:

No, then we take our country back