Pedator control time...

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My Father-in-law lost five goats last night. Caught it all on tape at 3:46 AM...dogs! We have noticed that since the economy has taken a steep dive, more and more pet dogs are being taken out of town and set free. Some squatt..er, I mean neighbors moved away and left their four dogs at the trailer. At on time last month, there was a pack of six to eight making the rounds. My FIL has killed 4 dogs since january. He lost two goats last week and 1 last month. He used to have a big dog that lived with the goats but she died last year. He has two young dogs ready to go but they can't go out with the goats until next month. So tonight my wife and I are going to stake out the goat herd and maybe get the leader. I'm taking my Winchester 22 mag lever but I'm packing my Commander on my hip (that leader is a biiggg dog). It's really a shame to see former family pets reduced to a pack mentality to survive. I love dogs...the people who abandoned them are the ones I would rather take a shot at. This will be more and more of a problem as things get worse.

[tdawg]

ferril dog packs have little or no fear of humans ...

http://www.ki4u.com/webpal/a_reconstruction/immediate/death/dogs.htm

http://www.survival-center.com/buckshot/moredogs.htm

T.

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ferril dog packs have little or no fear of humans ...

http://www.ki4u.com/webpal/a_reconstruction/immediate/death/dogs.htm

http://www.survival-center.com/buckshot/moredogs.htm

T.
Thanks...this will be my first time doing this...I wish I had brought my .44 mag lever gun (that .22 mag works great on turkeys and such, but feels a little small now that I think about it). The big one (the leader) looks like a boxer/pitbull cross. Glad to have my .45 with me.

Oh hell, just read the links...anyone got any dynamite!:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
I guess I will have to dust off the single shot 12ga....

[tdawg]

I'd be thinking about baited traps ... and semi auto 12ga with oo buck loads ... I have seen large dogs hit with pistol calibers and keep on going ... buck shot and they drop like rocks ...

you are also talking about a low or no light situation ... a good spot light and some fresh meat hanging on a low tree branch might save a goat or two and make your work a bit safer ...

T.

[Beaners]

Where I grew up there were a lot of feral dogs. People would dump their dogs on the reservation down the road, and people would let their dogs run loose and they would pack up. I think they even got into the zoo at one point and took down a couple of their animals.

I love good pit bulls, but a pit bull or pit bull mix that has gone wild is a very dangerous foe. You have to hit them hard enough to kill them instantly. They will go right through the pain and keep attacking whatever it is they are after until they are dead. Like I said, I love the good ones. They are just a formidable animal.

Good luck, I hope everything goes well.

Kayleigh

[SimonJ]

If you have something bigger then a .22mag, use it. You can also bait them.
Ground up aspirin in hamburger is good but slower then a bullet. Ground glass (Not powdered, but small pieces) also works in HB. Make sure none of the friendlies get it.

I aggree, people that turn lose pets should be shot.

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I'd be thinking about baited traps ... and semi auto 12ga with oo buck loads ... I have seen large dogs hit with pistol calibers and keep on going ... buck shot and they drop like rocks ...

you are also talking about a low or no light situation ... a good spot light and some fresh meat hanging on a low tree branch might save a goat or two and make your work a bit safer ...

T.

Thanks yall.
I will definitely take the 12ga with some 00 buck. I should have done some research beforehand. Thanks again.

Now I have to find some fresh meat to hang (maybe I can get my brother-in-law to cover himself with fresh..and,..no on second thought that might affect my aim).:mrgreen:

[Limner]

Good Hunting, Sir. We've had some experience with the varmints.....NOT fun.

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Well my wife just called. They found more goats.....looks like the dogs got 10 goats last night. I got to get this stopped.:evil: Leaving now to go huntin'.

[tdawg]

Well my wife just called. They found more goats.....looks like the dogs got 10 goats last night. I got to get this stopped.:evil: Leaving now to go huntin'.

WOW ... 15 goats in two days ... good hunting GHE ... keep in mind with kill numbers like this you are dealing with a LARGE PACK :shock: ... be prepared ... be safe ...

T.

[Summerthyme]

Wow... BE careful, that pack has it's bloodlust up, it sounds like.

Definitely take the 12 gauge, and have someone who will back you up (two shooters- it had better be someone you trust implicitly, because they should be in back of you- and somewhat off to the side). And have an escape route planned out IN ADVANCE- check for obstacles, etc. Even if you just park a car close enough, with the doors on the side you're on OPEN and ready to access...

We've had some problems here, too- a couple of BIG black dogs which truly look like wolf crosses. They harassed our heifers all last winter. This winter, those yearlings are safe in a new barn, and we put our (horned) Dexter beef cows in the back pasture where the dogs were bothering. Lots of dog tracks- but with Dexter tracks on TOP- and hubby found a couple of good sized puddles of blood- but no injured cows.

If you can knock the Alpha down (it may not be the biggest one in the pack, but it will probably be close... you can often tell by posture, etc) you may get enough confusion in the pack to get a bunch of the rest before they either regroup to attack or flee.

Let us know how it goes, please!

summerthyme

[Caplock50]

I need to ask, was any of the dead goats eaten on? Or did they just kill them? If they are killing for food, that's one thing and can easily be handled. But, if they are killing just for the fun of it..you'd best get yourself a 6, or better, man group and hunt them down during the day time...when it's much easier for you to see them.

[AngelDance]

And get a pair of livestock guardian dogs to run with the goats. We have a pair of maremmas and they are very protective of their charges (in our case, sheep).

Angel

[Ozark Hiker]

Try 'snaring' them, won't get all of them but each one caught helps. Here is a link to "Cable Restraint" guide for my state, Missouri - http://mdc4.mdc.mo.gov/Documents/13811.pdf
Our state law requires a 'non-lethal' snare, or one that loosens as the animal stops pulling. They are fairly cheap and easily built, in the right place very effective. The reason I mention this type is in case of a domestic dog that isn't a problem.

Please be safe, keep someone watching your back, some are likely to come from behind if you do encounter them.

O_H
My Father-in-law lost five goats last night. Caught it all on tape at 3:46 AM...dogs! We have noticed that since the economy has taken a steep dive, more and more pet dogs are being taken out of town and set free. Some squatt..er, I mean neighbors moved away and left their four dogs at the trailer. At on time last month, there was a pack of six to eight making the rounds. My FIL has killed 4 dogs since january. He lost two goats last week and 1 last month. He used to have a big dog that lived with the goats but she died last year. He has two young dogs ready to go but they can't go out with the goats until next month. So tonight my wife and I are going to stake out the goat herd and maybe get the leader. I'm taking my Winchester 22 mag lever but I'm packing my Commander on my hip (that leader is a biiggg dog). It's really a shame to see former family pets reduced to a pack mentality to survive. I love dogs...the people who abandoned them are the ones I would rather take a shot at. This will be more and more of a problem as things get worse.

[pdtom]

Two more things you might want to try that I have been told works on cayotes here in Ga. I have not personally tried either, but haven't had a predator problem I couldn't solve with a steel trap or rifle yet either.

1. set up a tight clothes line out of steel cable between two trees, (like a trot line for cat fish), and attach short cables with a large trebel hook from it at about 3 foot intervals. the hooks should be about 30-36 inches above grade when you finish.
The locals bait with raw chicken thys for cayotes. You want the bait height high enough that they have to jump to reach it. So that when caught their hind feet can touch the ground, and the front feet can't. As long as the front feet can't touch the ground and the hind feet can, they will usually stay caught till you can dispatch them.

2. This one will take awhile and requires saving a cofffee can full of bacon grease before you start. This will supposedly get rid of a whole pack of cayotes at one time. Tear up an old foam rubber cushon into roughly 2 inch souares and soak in the bacon grease for several days, until throughly saturated. Pen or tie all dogs you care about (including neighbors). Spread the foam rubber out near where the dogs are crossing your fence and where you believe they will find it. Keep your dogs up until it is all gone. If not all gone don't forget to take it up before turning your dogs loose.
Dogs and cayotes are not supposed to be able to pass the foam rubber and will eventually die in about 2 weeks.

None of the above would be necessary, if you could still buy wolfers stricthnine. Good hunting.

Pdtom

[skinner]

ferril dog packs have little or no fear of humans ...

http://www.ki4u.com/webpal/a_reconstruction/immediate/death/dogs.htm

http://www.survival-center.com/buckshot/moredogs.htm

T.


Good articles, but there will be wild animals in the woods after TEOTWAWKI,.....the dogs.

Just develop a taste for dog or cat stew.


skinner

[SimonJ]

Good articles, but there will be wild animals in the woods after TEOTWAWKI,.....the dogs.

Just develop a taste for dog or cat stew.


skinner

Good dog is hard to pass up. Younger ones are tender and dont have to be stewed to be edible.

[poppy]

Golden Malrin fly bait mixed in ground beef and you'll find them dead where they ate it. It also does well on coons, possums, and other predators. Mix it with a little Mountain Dew and dry cat food. Kills almost instantly. Be sure pets don't get it.

[Zarathustra]

Beaners
I love good pit bulls, but a pit bull or pit bull mix that has gone wild is a very dangerous foe. You have to hit them hard enough to kill them instantly. They will go right through the pain and keep attacking whatever it is they are after until they are dead. Like I said, I love the good ones. They are just a formidable animal.

That sounds scarey.....be careful and good luck. :neutral:

[Yooper]

As a goat owner and a dog owner, it breaks my heart to hear of things like this, but realize it will happen more and more. As angry as it make me to think of these beasts taking the life of livestock, the dogs should be dispacted with mercy, a quick death. No need for them suffering needlessly. Now the owners? That's a different story.

Good luck and be careful. We are prepared to sleep in our barn one day if need be.

BTW, all livestock should be buttoned up at night regardless of where or when...no exceptions.

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Well, we are back. We spent about 19 hours looking or staking out the carcases. We chased that big pit over half the countryside in the pickup. I never saw a thing, just my nephew or my wife on the radio saying he was over where they were. 19 hours looking.....then as my brother-in-law was leaving his place to go buy smokes and a lottery ticket @7:30 am, he shot the pit in the head as he sunned himself (10 ft off the road) over by his house. The dog was big! He was probably 75 or 80 lbs. Took both of us to get him into the back of the truck. We had seen this dog a several weeks ago and you could see his ribs. He had really bulked up. My wife watched the surveillance video (my FIL has gas theives around his place) and this pit killed five goats in about 10 minutes. The pit would jerk them off a elevated plywood stack. He snatched them off and the rest joined in. He and the other 4 dogs has already eaten half a goat about 100 yards away so they were just killing for the hell of it. My FIL got one yesterday morning. So three are still out there. One is another pit, white in color. The big black pit was the alpha male so maybe it will stop for a while. The people behind us have lost a lot of goats too. Thanks to everyone for the advice. We will try to look at some of the ideas yall offered. My FIL is a "form a posse and saddle up" kind of guy so maybe we can think about some preventative measures when things calm down.

Thanks again TOL friends.

[SimonJ]

Good job. Team work pays off.

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...My wife watched the surveillance video (my FIL has gas theives around his place) and this pit killed five goats in about 10 minutes. The pit would jerk them off a elevated plywood stack. He snatched them off and the rest joined in...

A still from the video shows three of the dogs.

[Timex1954]

Haven't seen an update recently... how are things going?

[momof23goats]

We killed 2 of them here, both pits, trhey killed about 30 hens in about 15 minutes. and were running arouund the goat pens. we nailed them dead.
I had two more , both pits, come into the yard, and my giant white pyreense got them. and got them out of this yard ,and ran them down. which I was so glad for. thse 2 big dogs are worth their weight in gold.

[Timex1954]

I take it no one has pitched a fit that their dogs have come up missing? I have an ugly feeling that your pack of dogs situation is the tip of the iceberg. Shortly, when folks can't feed Fluffy or Spot, there will be many dogs dumped into the streets and countryside.

Are you still having trouble? Any pitbulls still at large?

Having once raised milk goats, I know how little it takes to stress them out. I once had a young (6 months old) buck drop over dead when it heard a hog squeal. The goat had been raised around chickens, but not hogs. $200 right down the drain.

Keeping you all in my prayers!

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I take it no one has pitched a fit that their dogs have come up missing? I have an ugly feeling that your pack of dogs situation is the tip of the iceberg. Shortly, when folks can't feed Fluffy or Spot, there will be many dogs dumped into the streets and countryside.

Are you still having trouble? Any pitbulls still at large?

Having once raised milk goats, I know how little it takes to stress them out. I once had a young (6 months old) buck drop over dead when it heard a hog squeal. The goat had been raised around chickens, but not hogs. $200 right down the drain.

Keeping you all in my prayers!

No one has complained because they don't want to pay for the goats. It's been pretty quiet so far. My FIL just took the two new Great Pyrenees pups over. They are about 4 or 5 months old. We had them at the house when this happened...so glad because that black pit would have killed them quick. The goats are still terrified of everything esp the new dogs. Also my nephew got the white pit over on the other part of my FIL's land.....by the calves.
Thanks for the prayers Timex.:-D

BTW, we now know whose dogs they were, a neighbor that won't claim them. Three of the pack were his but not the pit...he was the big feral troublemaker.

[SimonJ]

Used to be if you knew who owned a dog that killed or injured your live stock you could make them anti up. I suppose thats retro thinking anymore. I once had a dog that took a notion that chickens were play toys. After he killed one, I shot him. Its the way to cure the problem. ad a neighbor who had a dog that decided to chase his calves. He shot it.
Problem solved. I had another old dog that would wait till the goats or chickens or even the Tom cat would walk by and he would grab them and give them a bath. Then let them go, job done. Ever seen a Tom with his fur going all whitch way with dog slobbers? Sad looking. But none of the animals ever fought him. They would let him slobber all over them and then walk away with their dignity shattered but clean. LOL, he was a fine dog.

[LMonty]

I would not be baiting if you have goats in the pasture. they will often try anything.