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packyderms_wife
03-13-2009, 10:41 PM
I found this list tonight http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/complant.html (http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/complant.html) on companion planting but the one thing this list did NOT address was fruit trees. We have three pear trees, two crabapples and two cherry trees in our yard.

Most of my vegetable gardening is shade gardening due to a small lot and lots of trees. Does anyone know if incompatibility with fruit trees and vegetables? I know not to plant tomatoes etc., near the walnut trees (on the neighbors property).

Other trees on the property are Hackberry, Red Oak, Burr Oak, Amber Maple, Redbud, and Norway Maple and the five arbor vita's that neighbor has that butts up next our yard and hence our garden.

TIA

Kimberly

packyderms_wife
03-13-2009, 10:42 PM
Also does anyone know what NOT to plant near the grapevines?

Kimberly

roamal
03-13-2009, 11:18 PM
PW-
Beginner here...why can't tomatoes be near walnut trees?

momof23goats
03-13-2009, 11:22 PM
well, never heard of veggies being bothered by veggies .but fruit trees might be botheredbywalnuts , if they are close to it .don't know just some thing I heard. but I will tell you this ,I have some apple trees, tht are very old, and they have walnuts pretty close to them. NOW I do't get apples fro mthese trees, they are well over 200 years old. but I have trees that are 50 years, that still produce.

just me
03-14-2009, 06:33 AM
Walnut trees put out a toxin that some plants can't tolerate. Since I can't remember what can go near a walnut tree, we just plant everything at least 50 ft from the tree.

Martinhouse
03-14-2009, 07:24 AM
There are a lot of cedar trees, both red and white, in my area, so apple trees do not grow at all.

I have Orient pear trees which seem to be immune to the Cedar Gall Rust and they do very well whenever I get lucky enough to get a crop not frozen out in the spring.

My flowering crab tree also seems immune to the Rust, but it is an ornamental and I haven't found a use for those tiny sour little rocks it produces.

Carol

roamal
03-14-2009, 09:54 AM
TY Just Me. I don't have a walnut tree but another friend here does-will make sure she knows this :)

Sprocket
03-14-2009, 10:11 AM
Pacyderm.... I am thinking things like peas...the trees would be great for climbing on and peas would not be parasitical. Also lettuces, spinach, arugala because when done they could be turned under, nourishing the tree. Also anything with a longer taproot as it would help trees get water nutrients.
kim

Sprocket
03-14-2009, 10:12 AM
Oh I forgot to mention strawberries...helps keep weeds down around trees.

packyderms_wife
03-14-2009, 11:03 AM
Here's the list that someone copied to their blog, without the table, of companion plants and incompatible plants:

Companion Plants
<http://indianhydroponicspioneersassociation.blogspot.com/2009/02/comp... (http://indianhydroponicspioneersassociation.blogspot.com/2009/02/companion-)
plants-insect-repellant.html>
Amaranth -- Corn, Onion, Potato
Angelica -- Incompatible with Dill
Anise -- Beans, Coriander /// Incompatible with Basil, Rue
Apple -- Chives /// Incompatible with: Potato
Asparagus -- Basil, Marigold, Nasturnium, Parsley, Tomato /// Incompatible
with Mint, Onion
Basil -- Beans, Cabbage, Marigold, Pepper, Tomato -- Incompatible with Rue
Beans -- Beets, Borage, Cabbage, Carrot, Cauliflower, Celery, Collards,
Corn, Cucumber, Nasturnium, Petunia, Potato, Squash, Strawberry, Summer
Savory, Sunflower, Tomato /// Incompatible with Chives, Onion, Garlic,
Fennel, Gladiolus, Leek
Bee Balm -- Tomato /// Incompatible with Field Mustard
Beets -- Basil, Bush beans, Cabbage, Kohlrabi, Lettuce, Onion, Sage, Tomato
/// Incompatible with Pole beans, Mustard
Borage -- Squash, Strawberry, Tomato
Broad Beans -- Corn /// Incompatible with Kohlrabi
Broccoli -- Beans, Celery, Chamomile, Dill, Mints, Nasturtium, Onion,
Oregano, Potato, Rosemary, Sage /// Incompatible with Lettuce, Strawberry,
Tomato
Brussel Sprouts -- Beans, Celery, Dill, Hyssop, Mints, Nasturtium, Potato,
Rosemary, Sage /// Incompatible with Strawberry
Cabbage -- Aromatic herbs (repel Cabbage Worms), Bush Beans, Beets, Celery,
Chamomile, Dill, Geranium, Hyssop, Lavender, Marigold, Mint, Nasturnium,
Onions, Oregano, Potato, Rosemary, Sage, Tansy, Thyme, Tomato ///
Incompatible with Dill, Grapes, Mustards, Rue, Strawberries, Tomatoes
Calendula -- Tomato (Repels tomato worms, asparagus beetles)
Caraway -- Peas /// Incompatible with Fennel
Carrots -- Chervil, Chives, Leaf lettuce, Leeks, Onion, Peas, Radish,
Rosemary, Sage, Tomato, Wormwood /// Incompatible with Anise, Dill
Cauliflower -- Beans, Beet, Celery, Chamomile, Dill, Hyssop, Lavender,
Mints, Nasturtium, Onion, Oregano, Radish /// Incompatible with Dill,
Strawberries, Tomatoes
Celery -- Beans, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Leek, Onion, Spinach, Tomato ///
Incompatible with Corn
Chamomile -- Cabbage, Mint, Onion, Squash
Chervil -- Carrots, Radish
Chives -- Carrots, Grapes, Parsley, Tomato /// Incompatible with Peas, Beans
Collard Greens -- Tomatoes
Coriander -- Anise, Potato /// Incompatible with Fennel
Corn -- Amaranth, Beans, Cucumber, Geranium, Lamb's Quarters, Melons,
Morning Glory, Peas, Potato, Pumpkin, Sow Thistle, Squash, Sunflower ///
Incompatible with Celery, Tomato


Cucumbers -- Beans, Broccoli, Celery, Corn, Lettuce, Marigold, Nasturnium,
Onion, Peas, Radish, Savory, Sunflower, Tomato /// Incompatible with:
Potato, Rue, Sage
Dill -- Cabbage, Lettuce, Onion /// Incompatible with Carrot, Tomato
Eggplant -- Amaranth, Beans, Peas, Spinach, Tarragon, Thyme
Fennel -- Incompatible with Beans, Caraway, Dill, Fennel, Kohlrabi, Tomato,
Wormwood
Fig -- Incompatible with Rue
Flax -- Carrot, Potatoes
Garlic -- Beets, Carrots, Chamomile, Lettuce, Raspberry, Roses, Tomato,
Summer savory /// Incompatible with Beans, Cabbage, Peas, Strawberries
Grapes -- Clover, Geranium, Hyssop, Oregano /// Incompatible with Cabbage,
Radish
Hyssop -- Cabbage, Grape
Kohlrabi -- Beets, Cucumber, Onion /// Incompatible with Pole Beans, Pepper,
Strawberry, Tomato
Leek -- Carrots, Celery, Onions /// Incompatible with Beans, Broccoli
Lettuce -- Beet, Cabbage, Carrot, Clover, Corn, Cucumber, Melon, Onion,
Peanuts, Peas, Radish, Strawberry, Sunflower
Lovage -- Beans
Melons -- Corn, Nasturnium, Radish
Mint -- Cabbage, Tomatoes /// Incompatible with Chamomile, Parsley
Nettle -- Increases the oil production of herbs
Onions -- Amaranth, Beets, Cabbage, Carrot, Celery, Chamomile, Leeks,
Lettuce, Pepper, Potato, Roses, Sow Thistle, Strawberry, Summer savory,
Tomato /// Incompatible with Beans, Peas
Oregano -- Cabbage, Cucumber
Parsley -- Asparagus, Carrot, Chives, Onions, Roses, Tomato /// Incompatible
with Mint
Petunia -- Beans
Peanuts -- Squash, Corn
Peas -- Aromatic herbs, Beans, Carrots, Corn, Cucumber, Eggplant, Lettuce,
Potato, Radish, Spinach, Turnips /// Incompatible with Garlic, Gladiolus,
Leek, Onion, Potoato, Shallots
Peppers -- Basil, Carrot, Lovage, Marjoram, Onion, Oregano /// Incompatible
with Fennel, Kohlrabi
Plum -- Horseradish
Pole Beans -- Radish // Incompatible with Beets, Sunflower
Potatoes -- Amaranth, Beans, Corn, Cabbage, Eggplant, Flax, Horseradish,
Lettuce, Lima Beans, Marigold, Onion, Petunia /// Incompatible with
Cucumber, Pumpkin, Radish, Raspberry, Sunflower, Squash, Tomato
Pumpkin -- Corn, Dastura /// Incompatible with Apple, Potato, Raspberry,
Rosemary, Tomato
Radishes -- Beans, Beets, Carrots, Chervil, Cucumber, Lettuce, Melons,
Nasturnium, Parsnips, Peas, Spinach, Squash /// Incompatible with: Brussels
sprouts, Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Grape, Hyssop, Kohlrabi, Potato,
Turnips
Raspberry -- Tansy /// Incompatible with Potato
Rhubarb -- Columbine, Garlic, Onion, Roses
Rose -- Beans, Cabbage, Carrot, Sage /// Incompatible with Potato
Rosemary -- Beans, Cabbage, Carrots, Sage /// Incompatible with Potatoes
Rue -- Figs, Raspberry, Rose, Strawberry /// Incompatible with Basil,
Cabbage, Sage


Sage -- Beans, Cabbage, Carrot, Marjoram, Peas, Rosemary, Strawberry, Tomato
/// Incompatible with Cucumber, Rue
Savory -- Beans, Onions
Southernwood -- Cabbage
Sowthistle -- Corn, Onions, Tomato
Soybeans -- Everything
Spinach -- Cabbage, Cauliflower, Celery, Eggplant, Onion, Peas, Strawberry
Squash -- Beans, Corn, Cucumbers, Icicle radishes, Mint, Nasturnium, Onion
/// Incompatible with Potatoes
Strawberries -- Beans, Borage, Comfrey, Lettuce, Onion, Spinach ///
Incompatible with Broccoli, Brussle Sprouts, Cabbage, Califlower, Kohlrabi
Sunflower -- Cucumber /// Incompatible with Cabbage
Tansy -- Fruits, Peppers, Potato, Rose, Raspberry
Thyme -- Cabbage
Tomatoes -- Asparagus, Basil, Bee Balm, Carrot, Celery, Chives, Garlic,
Lemon Balm, Onions, Marigold, Mint, Nasturtium, Parsley, Peas, Sage ///
Incompatible with Cabbage, Cauliflower, Corn, Dill, Fennel, Kohlrabi, Potato
Turnip -- Peas
_____
Insect-Repellant Plants
Basil -- Flies, Mosquitoes, Asparagus Beetle
Borage -- Tomato Worm
Calendula -- Asparagus Beetles, Tomato Worms
Catnip -- Ants, Aphids, Cockroaches, Flea Beetle, Japanese Beetles
Chrysanthemum -- Mexican Bean Beetle
Cosmos -- Mexican Bean Beetle
Coriander -- Aphids
Dandelion -- Colorado Potato Beetle
Dead Nettle -- Potato Beetle
Fennel -- Fleas
Flax -- Potato Beetle
Garlic -- Aphids, Apple Scab, Borers, Japanese Beetles, Peach Leaf Curl
Disease, Spider Mites
Geranium -- Cabbage Worm, Red Spider Mite
Henbit -- General insect repellant
Horseradish -- Potato Beetle
Hyssop -- Cabbage Moth
Lavender -- Mice, Ticks, Moths
Marigold -- Mexican Bean Beetle, Nematodes
Mint -- Ants, Aphids, Cabbage Moth, Fleas, Mice
Mole Plant -- Mice, Moles
Nasturnium -- White Flies, Squash Bugs, Striped Pumpkin Beetle, Wooly Aphid
(apple)
Oregano -- Cabbage Butterfly, Cucumber Beetle
Parsley -- Beetles
Pennyroyal -- Fleas, Flies, Mosquitoes
Pot Marigold -- Asparagus Beetle, Tomato Worm
Radish -- Cucumber Beetle
Rosemary -- Bean Beetles, Cabbage Moth, Carrot Fly
Rue -- Flies, Japanese Beetle, Cats, Dogs
Sage -- Bean beetle, Cabbage Moth, Carrot Fly, Slugs
Southernwood -- Cabbage Moth
Sunflower -- Armyworm
Tansy -- Ants, Fleas, Flies, Japanese Beetle, Moths, Striped Cucumber
Beetles, Squash Bugs
Thyme -- Cabbage Worm
Wormwood -- Animals
Beneficial Parasitoid Wasps and Hoverflies are attracted to: Alyssum,
Buckwheat, Cilantro, Fennel, Mustard, Phacelia, and Yarrow (J. Luna, et al.,
Organic Farming Research 6:7-9)
"Pollen and Nectar plants" that attract beneficial predator insects: Carrot,
Catnip, Coneflowers, Daisy, Dill, Fennel, Goldenrod, Lemon Balm, Mint,
Parsley, Peppermint, Spearmint, Thyme, Yarrow.
_____
Beneficial Insects
Assassin Bug -- Caterpillars, Flies
Big-Eyed Bug -- Aphids, Caterpillars, Leafhoppers, Mites; attracted by
Clover, Goldenrod, Soybeans.
Braconid Wasp -- Aphids, Armyworm, Cabbageworm, Cornborer, Codling Moth, Elm
Bark Beetle, Horn Worm; Attracted by Dill, Parsley, Yarrow.
Damselbug -- Aphids, Caterpillars, Leafhoppers, Thrips; Attracted by
Alfalfa.
Ground Beetle -- Caterpillars, Cabbage Maggot, Colorado Potato Beetle
Larvae, Cutworms, Slugs, Snails; Attracted by Clover.
Honeybee -- Pollinator
Hover Fly (Syrphid Fly) -- Aphids
Ichneumon Wasp -- Beetle larvae, Caterpillars, Sawfly,
Lacewing -- Aphids, Corn Earworms, Mites, Thrips
Lady Beetle -- Aphids
Minute Pirate Bug -- Leafhopper nymphs, Spider mites, Thrips
Predatory Mite -- European Red Mites, Spider Mites
Praying Mantis -- Also predates beneficials
Rove Beetle -- Aphids, Cabbage Maggot, Flies, Mites, Springtails
Soldier Beetle -- Aphids, Beetle larvae, Caterpillars, Corn Rootworm,
Cucumber Beetle, Grasshopper eggs ; Attracted by Goldenrod, Milkweed,
Hydrangea
Spined Soldier Bug -- Caterpillars, Sawfly larvae
Tachinid Fly -- Caterpillars
Tiger Beetle -- General predator
Yellowjacket -- Flies, caterpillars

packyderms_wife
03-14-2009, 11:05 AM
What I'm most interested in knowing is what is incompatible with the fruit trees.

Mom thank you for that bit on the walnut trees and your apple trees this may well explain why my pear trees have yet to put on fruit! Only one has had pears the other two don't even get blossoms. Everyone hates the tree maybe we can get the city to remove it (it's growing into the power lines etc.)

Kimberly

Freeholder
03-14-2009, 02:42 PM
Kimberly, do some research on permaculture. Especially take a look at a book called Gaia's Garden (I hate the title, but the book has a lot of useful information). IIRC, there is info in there on the 'guilds' or groups of plants that can go under and around various fruit and nut trees. There's probably also information and lists on-line -- you could try searching for permaculture guild lists. Here are some links with info to get you started:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture

http://onestraw.blogspot.com/2007/03/permaculture-guilds-primer.html

http://www.spiralseed.co.uk/permaculture/

There's also a permaculture forum where you could ask questions (probably more than one, but one that I'm a member of and know about!):

http://www.permies.com/permaculture-forums

You have to keep in mind that a lot of permaculture people are very 'New Age,' but there is still some good information in their books and websites. Just take the good stuff and leave the garbage!

Kathleen

packyderms_wife
03-14-2009, 06:11 PM
Kimberly, do some research on permaculture. Especially take a look at a book called Gaia's Garden (I hate the title, but the book has a lot of useful information). IIRC, there is info in there on the 'guilds' or groups of plants that can go under and around various fruit and nut trees. There's probably also information and lists on-line -- you could try searching for permaculture guild lists. Here are some links with info to get you started:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture

http://onestraw.blogspot.com/2007/03/permaculture-guilds-primer.html

http://www.spiralseed.co.uk/permaculture/

There's also a permaculture forum where you could ask questions (probably more than one, but one that I'm a member of and know about!):

http://www.permies.com/permaculture-forums

You have to keep in mind that a lot of permaculture people are very 'New Age,' but there is still some good information in their books and websites. Just take the good stuff and leave the garbage!

Kathleen

Thank you Kathleen I'll have to see about joining that forum. I understand the new age thingy it's the same way with herbal medicine sometimes.

Kimberly