Swine Flu Vaccine, Anyone?

[Amishdude]

When offered, will you take the new swine flu vaccine?

[Is45]

Not me.

I think this is a manufactured pandemic... in more ways than one !



Sanofi blueprints big vaccine plant for Mexico

March 11, 2009 — 3:19pm ET | By John Carroll (http://www.fiercevaccines.com/author/john)


Sanofi-Aventis CEO Chris Viehbacher journeyed to Mexico to announce a new $126 million facility to produce seasonal influenza vaccine-with a built-in option to switch to pandemic vaccines--for the Latin American market. The president of Mexico, Felipe Claderon, joined French President Nicolas Sarkozy for the announcement.

"This investment illustrates Sanofi-Aventis' local approach to global health," said Viehbacher. "This facility will benefit public health in Mexico and the Latin American region, in the context of influenza pandemic preparedness."

Once complete, Sanofi will work with Birmex--Laboratorio de Biológicos y Reactivos de México--on the manufacturing and distribution of vaccines. To be completed in four years, the plant will have the capacity to produce up to 25 million doses of new flu vaccine each year. And it will be built so that it can switch to manufacturing a pandemic vaccine in the event of an outbreak.

- read the report (http://www.finchannel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31519&Itemid=) for more information


ALSO: Vaccine maker Sanofi Pasteur has abandoned its plans to set up operations in Pennsylvania's Lehigh Valley, which is northwest of Philadelphia. The French company had been looking to the area to relieve overcrowding at its Swiftwater, PA vaccine plant. Report (http://www.fiercebiotech.com/story/sanofi-wont-expand-pas-lehigh-valley/2009-03-11)

(http://www.fiercebiotech.com/story/sanofi-wont-expand-pas-lehigh-valley/2009-03-11)
Related Articles:
Sanofi won't expand in PA's Lehigh Valley (http://www.fiercebiotech.com/story/sanofi-wont-expand-pas-lehigh-valley/2009-03-11)
Sanofi Pasteur plans C$100M R&D facility in Canada (http://www.fiercebiotech.com/story/sanofi-pasteur-plans-c100m-rd-facility-in-canada/2008-04-16)




http://www.fiercevaccines.com/story/sanofi-blueprints-big-vaccine-plant-mexico/2009-03-11



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FDA Warns Sanofi Pasteur's Vaccine Manufacturing Plant

Article Date: 04 Jul 2006 - 10:00 PDT


The FDA has sent a warning letter to Sanofi's manufacturing plant in Pennsylvania, USA. The letter tells the company to make sure future batches of flu vaccine are not contaminated. The plant produces half of all flu shots in the USA.

This is after the FDA had brought up concerns regarding problems with sterility testing and aseptic conditions during an inspection last April. This warning letter has come because the company has not addressed the concerns, according to the FDA.

The warning letter states that Sanofi Pasteur must respond in writing within 15 working days. If things are not sorted out the company could face further action.

Eleven batches of monovalent concentrate were found to have bacterial contamination earlier on this year. Monovalent concentrate is an intermediate derived from one of the three influenza virus strains. It is used to produce Fluzone (http://www.medilexicon.com/drugs/fluzone_preservative-free.php) (a flu vaccine).

No recall is required as the contamination did not reach the finished vaccine. However, the FDA says the company did not investigate the incident effectively. It says Sanofi did not correct 'objectionable conditions' after two months of talks.

A spokesman for Sanofi Pastaur said the company does not expect this incident to affect production. The FDA added that this incident is not expected to significantly affect the flu shot stocks for the coming flu season.

50 million shots of Fluzone are planned by the company for US supplies this year - about 50% of the country's needs. Sanofi Pasteur is producing fewer this year than last because other manufacturers are also producing it.

This plant in Pennsylvania is the same one that is expected to produce avian influenza (bird flu) shots in the event of a human outbreak.


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/46559.php



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[3eagles]

given that Bush veto'd the ban on mercury in vaccines and that a enourmous percentage of vaccines use Thimersol as a preservative.. ( significant agent is Mercury)...

and I have seen enough articles about other engineer vaccine additives from the government that loves us so much...

I think NOT:!:

[bobfall]

yeah,

bob

[kelee877]

No Thank You...if they rush it through it might not even be the right one...and besides it always takes 3-6 months before they have a vaccine ready...they need certain amount of time to incubate the seruim in chicken eggs...

[AnnieOakley]

Not me :(

[Sugaree]

In making my descision I can only draw on past experience.

I have gotten the (regular) flu vac the past 2 years. Neither time did that prevent me from getting the flu. Thankfully I have a good immune system so it was very mild, but still got it.

Like others I am also very suspect that this is a manufactured epidemic and anything connected to the gov't relating to this outbreak has sinister motives.

[Pastor Guest]

Psalm 91:5-10

Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night;
nor for the arrow that flieth by day; nor for the
pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the
destruction that wasteth by noonday. A thousand
shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy
right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. Only
with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the
reward of the wicked. Because thou hast made
the Lord, even the most High, thy habitation;
there shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any
plague come nigh thy dwelling.

[kelee877]

I voted...but I have a dumb question....do they already have a vaccine for swine flu...I came across this;


The government of Mexico City (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Mexico+City&sid=breitbart.com) said Friday it was launching a massive vaccination campaign against swine flu, after authorities said they were probing 45 deaths and 943 possible infections from the virus.



http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=090424142248.88ahg8e6&show_article=1

[Amishdude]

Psalm 91:5-10
Because thou hast made
the Lord, even the most High, thy habitation;
there shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any
plague come nigh thy dwelling.
A big AMEN to that!

[Forgiven]

Never taking another vaccine...

[Ben Sunday]

I don't know about a newer generation of vaccine for Swine Flu. I do know that I had the Swine Flu shot back in 76 when there was a big scare about it. Very strange because it was the ONLY flu shot, ever, that didn't make me sick within a few hours.

[CWR]

I have no idea why but when my family was stationed at Ellsworth my Dad took about 6 of these shots. What is up with that? Not long after I remember him having some sort of episode as he was walking from his office to another place on base. He was hospitalized etc.

Within a year he retired his health was never the same. I still to this day believe they were experimenting with the shots. It's to late for my Dad he died in 1993 on Veteran's day at 63. The shots were given to him in 76 or 77 I really think it was 76.

[3eagles]

I voted...but I have a dumb question....do they already have a vaccine for swine flu...I came across this;

The government of Mexico City (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Mexico+City&sid=breitbart.com) said Friday it was launching a massive vaccination campaign against swine flu, after authorities said they were probing 45 deaths and 943 possible infections from the virus.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=090424142248.88ahg8e6&show_article=1

Hi Kelee
that does look rather suspicious eh? its either they dredged up the old manufactured vaccine for the orginal infuenza A/ swine strain...
or they rushed the vaccine and so they likely got the wrong one

seems every year they struggle to ID the strains and then release the shots... too late to be effective - how did this become available so darned fast?

[kelee877]

Hi Kelee
that does look rather suspicious eh? its either they dredged up the old manufactured vaccine for the orginal infuenza A/ swine strain...
or they rushed the vaccine and so they likely got the wrong one

seems every year they struggle to ID the strains and then release the shots... too late to be effective - how did this become available so darned fast?

and then what happens is if it is not the right vaccine, then they misdiagnos...

They did this in China, gave the chickens a vaccine against H5N1, but it did not stop the virus it masked it, the chicken had the deadly disease but they were showing no signs...so easier to transmit...

Alao from I am reading this swine virus is a mixer of 2 swine 1 avian and 1 human...that is bad...

[cadama]

No, I'm young with no dependents so I can tough it out or, if needed, get out of the way for a while.

[TVOR]

Colloidal silver for me and my family. Unfortunately they can force you to have your children vaccinated. I have a 4 year old son and a 1 year old daughter.

[3eagles]

[quote=TVOR;535968]Colloidal silver for me and my family. ..quote]

yep good stuff
visiting a relative in the hospital this week too often.. and we have a spray mist bottle. Amazing stuff... so lethal to germs is threatened to be listed as a pesticde.

which reminds me that I was going to build a Colliodal silver generator to replenish supply.


another tool.. we have a Rife/Bare device. I have home built and have had remarkable success with it. we have been able to at least reduce episodes of colds and flu to just a day or 3.
was considering a thread on the topic.. Colliodal silver would be a good compliment to the conversation

[Tesla'sMom]

In the mid-70's "they" started talking about the Swine Flu coming back- said things like "most serious flu since the great Pandemic of 1919" and people rushed to get flu shots. Some of them got very ill with Guillain-Barre syndrome: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain-Barr%C3%A9_syndrome as a complication of the flu shot.

I've had real flu a couple of times and it's not fun, but I'll skip the shot.

[fairbanksb]

Sure I'll get one. Especially if a lot of deaths start occurring. I had the flu shot for 20 straight years in the military including the swine flu shot in 77 with no ill effects and no flu either.

[louise]

Does anyone remember this woman on The Power Hour saying that shots were being sent out through some truck drivers to all areas of the country. I wonder if this is the shot that they are going have folks take, because everyone is scared not to take it. Everyone need to draw their line in the sand, for sure!

[Grundig]

I have yet to take a vaccine and don't intend to start with this BS!

[Amishdude]

None for me, thanks!

[SheWoff]

Not just No.

Hell NO!

She

[Annie Maude]

I'll have to wait and see. I'm an RN, taking care of patients on respirators everyday when I work, and I get a flu shot every year. But it will take many months to develop a vaccine, and then be able to tell if it's effective. I trust the Doc who's the head of infection control at the hospital, and he's some sort of biggie at the state level too, so maybe I'll be able to get real information. I wonder if getting the flu shot every year will convey any resistance? Way too soon to tell.

[KuernoDeChivo]

I'll have to wait and see. I'm an RN, taking care of patients on respirators everyday when I work, and I get a flu shot every year. But it will take many months to develop a vaccine, and then be able to tell if it's effective. I trust the Doc who's the head of infection control at the hospital, and he's some sort of biggie at the state level too, so maybe I'll be able to get real information. I wonder if getting the flu shot every year will convey any resistance? Way too soon to tell.

That's what is so funky. In one breath they talk about how this is a hybrid Bird/Swine/Human flu that they had never seen before flu and then say they are getting the vaccines ready as we speak. WTH(eck)...?

[Is45]

That's what is so funky. In one breath they talk about how this is a hybrid Bird/Swine/Human flu that they had never seen before flu and then say they are getting the vaccines ready as we speak. WTH(eck)...?




funky or fake

I'm not getting all psyched out because I think this pandemic is a fake.
But if I'm wrong... well... it's been nice posting here. :mrgreen:


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[Just Kate]

Nope...I have an autistic nephew that was perfectly normal prior to his initial vaccines.

Never had a flu shot in my life and last time I had the flu was when I was 21 years of age...that was many moons ago.

So, I will take my chances and drink my elderberry concoction.

[KuernoDeChivo]

funky or fake

I'm not getting all psyched out because I think this pandemic is a fake.
But if I'm wrong... well... it's been nice posting here. :mrgreen:


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW3BWhLEkYg ....lol

[Annie Maude]

That's what is so funky. In one breath they talk about how this is a hybrid Bird/Swine/Human flu that they had never seen before flu and then say they are getting the vaccines ready as we speak. WTH(eck)...?
I just read a quote from the CDC that said it would be virtually impossible to get a vaccine ready for our normal flu season this October.

[Truth be told]

Had a flu shot in "74" was sick for 2 weeks never again.

[Ben Sunday]

Hi Kelee
that does look rather suspicious eh? its either they dredged up the old manufactured vaccine for the orginal infuenza A/ swine strain...
or they rushed the vaccine and so they likely got the wrong one

seems every year they struggle to ID the strains and then release the shots... too late to be effective - how did this become available so darned fast?

With all due respect, I would not dare to imagine that any leftover vaccines from 76 or 77 would still be effective. Roughly 34 years is a LONG time to keep something in a stash...imho...ymmv.

[Annie Maude]

No. CDC has confirmed it takes 9months to create a vaccine.

[angelwing]

Nope...I only worry if the base makes me take it then I'm in a pickle, it's my better paying job and if they make me take it I will have to quit...personally I think this is all a fake job

[PKM]

No way,

I'm not taking one of their dirty vaccines, I have been a pin cushion for too long while I was in the military.

IMHO, this is clearly a bio attack, brought on by TPTB.

This is a obviously a manipulated virus cooked up in a common lab somewhere.

I wonder if the vac is gonna be worse than the supposed epidemic?

[Shooting Star]

I had the swine flu vacination in 1976 at the local armory - they ran us thru like cattle. I don't think I will take it again....

[Jubilee on Earth]

I agree this sounds suspicious. Maybe the vaccine manufacturers are hurting and need a little extra summer cash to tide them over to the fall rush???

Or, even more on the tin foil hat side, I'd hate to see a headline like "Swine flu vaccine contaminated -- life-threatening reactions continue to rise as widespread recalls are issued..."

NO THANK YOU...

[Spike n Ree]

This Gillain - Barre syndrome is what my Mom got some time after her swine flu shot. She lived on life support for a year before she died, and she lost all body movement - others in my state got it and it was so new they said we could contact the girl that recovered, we didn't.


Gillain - Barre syndrome following the swine flu vaccination

http://www.anapolschwartz.com/practices/vaccines/guillain.asp

Vaccines like that taken for Flu, Meningitis, and DTP, have been shown to cause, in rare cases, Gillian-Barre Syndrome (GBS). Our lawyers are prepared to review your case of Gillian-Barre Sybdrome to determine if we can file a claim on your behalf in the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (http://www.anapolschwartz.com/practices/vaccines/guillain.asp#DoIhaveaVaccineCase).
Guillain-Barre syndrome (GBS) is an inflammatory disorder of the peripheral nerves. The peripheral nerves convey sensory information (e.g., pain, temperature) from the body to the brain and motor (i.e., movement) signals from the brain to the body. GBS is characterized by weakness and numbness or tingling in the legs and arms, and possible loss of movement and feeling in the legs, arms, upper body, and face.

Guillain-Barre syndrome is not hereditary or contagious. What causes GBS is not known; however, in about half of all cases the onset of the syndrome follows a viral or bacterial infection, such as can occur with the following:...(more at the link)

[Old Girl on The Hill]

I guess my answer is no - here is the latest thing I read and I swear I am not going to DrudgeReport anymore, if it is this depressing:

CDC says too late to contain U.S. flu outbreak
24 Apr 2009 19:31:20 GMT
Source: Reuters

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WASHINGTON, April 24 (Reuters) - The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Friday it was too late to contain the swine flu outbreak in the United States.


CDC acting director Dr. Richard Besser told reporters in a telephone briefing it was likely too late to try to contain the outbreak, by vaccinating, treating or isolating people.


"There are things that we see that suggest that containment is not very likely," he said.


He said the U.S. cases and Mexican cases are likely the same virus. "So far the genetic elements that we have looked at are the same." But Besser said it was unclear why the virus was causing so many deaths in deaths in Mexico and such mild disease in the United States.


(Reporting by Maggie Fox, editing by Patricia Zengerle)

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/24443479.htm

[Jethro]

I don't know about a newer generation of vaccine for Swine Flu. I do know that I had the Swine Flu shot back in 76 when there was a big scare about it. Very strange because it was the ONLY flu shot, ever, that didn't make me sick within a few hours.
I wish my experience with the vaccine was like your's.
I went through Army basic training in '76 and we were forced to get the shot, along with the Drill Sergeants I might add, and were all sick and falling out before we even got back to the barracks.

[DennisQA]

I wish my experience with the vaccine was like your's.
I went through Army basic training in '76 and we were forced to get the shot, along with the Drill Sergeants I might add, and were all sick and falling out before we even got back to the barracks.

Would the Flu have been any worse? I've read and understand too much from all the info that's out there. It's for all to see if they really want to. No. I wouldn't take their poison. These wicked people in the charge now do nothing more than experiment on the populous and could use this for a full control situation. These are not normal people and these are not normal times.:?

[johngaltfla]

Trust those bastards? No way.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511CyqXiwUL._SS500_.jpg

[Raggedy Man]

Trust those bastards? No way.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511CyqXiwUL._SS500_.jpg
Ditto. I'll take my chances with the virus in airborne form...

[shortstop]

I had the vaccine as a kid back in the day.. but there is no way I'd would take anything now!

[nattybumppo]

I voted yes, because the vacine will be a daily supplement of BACON!!!!! :razz:

[poppy]

I don't know about a newer generation of vaccine for Swine Flu. I do know that I had the Swine Flu shot back in 76 when there was a big scare about it. Very strange because it was the ONLY flu shot, ever, that didn't make me sick within a few hours.

I had the shot then too while in the military. No problems at all. I never took another flu shot until last year. The year before, I got the flu and it landed me in the hospital and I see how it kills the young, weak, and aged. I'll take the shot, not because I trust the government one bit, but because I know first hand what the flu can do.

[Is45]

I voted yes, because the vacine will be a daily supplement of BACON!!!!! :razz:



Of course, a swine flu vaccine would have swine in it.

Interesting.


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[Bulldog30]

Yup...I have never gotten sick from a shot nor has any of my kids gotten sick from any immunization shot...nor anyone in my family...and I got a lot of shots in the Marines....

[Amishdude]

Yup...I have never gotten sick from a shot nor has any of my kids gotten sick from any immunization shot...nor anyone in my family...and I got a lot of shots in the Marines....
AWESOME! You can have mine then. I won't be using it. :evil:

[snowman41]

I stopped getting the flu vaccine because I think it is mostly ineffective anyway, while still carries the risks, making it a bad trade-off.

I did get the 23 variant viral pneumonia vaccine a month ago. After effects were a tender and very warm injection site for a couple of days, but I think that one is worth it. Since most of the deaths are from the pneumonia, it might help if you get infected with this epidemic. It would not help if it's bacterial pneumonia, but antibiotics should be effective then.

Also seriously thinking about the shingles vaccine. I had shingles about 10 years ago and don't want that puppy again.

In summary, I try to balance the benefits and risks of vaccines in each case.

I also have flu home remedies in my kit like black elderberry extract, grape juice, vitamins, etc., as well as curcumin capsules to moderate a cytokine storm.

Your mileage may vary.

:shock:

Snowy

[doctor_fungcool]

1918 Influenza Pandemic

“The effect of the influenza epidemic was so severe that the average life span in the US was depressed by 10 years. The influenza virus had a profound virulence, with a mortality rate at 2.5% compared to the previous influenza epidemics, which were less than 0.1%. The death rate for 15 to 34-year-olds of influenza and pneumonia were 20 times higher in 1918 than in previous years (Taubenberger). People were struck with illness on the street and died rapid deaths. One anectode shared of 1918 was of four women playing bridge together late into the night. Overnight, three of the women died from influenza (Hoagg). Others told stories of people on their way to work suddenly developing the flu and dying within hours (Henig). One physician writes that patients with seemingly ordinary influenza would rapidly “develop the most viscous type of pneumonia that has ever been seen”
http://virus.stanford.edu/uda/

[Spirit of 76]

I'll just be keeping colloidal silver at hand, thank you very much!

[Notayup]

Got it in 76 with no problems as well. Had no choice back then so this time around I think I'll sit it out at least long enough to see how the general population fairs with it.

[Kent]

given that Bush veto'd the ban on mercury in vaccines and that a enourmous percentage of vaccines use Thimersol as a preservative.. ( significant agent is Mercury)...

and I have seen enough articles about other engineer vaccine additives from the government that loves us so much...

I think NOT:!:

Sigh! An "enourmous percentage of vaccines" do NOT contain thimerosal. Since 2001, all vaccines manufactured for the U.S. market and routinely recommended for children ≤ 6 years of age have contained no thimerosal or only trace amounts (≤ 1 microgram of mercury per dose remaining from the manufacturing process), with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine. Bush vetoed the bill because thimerosal was all they had at the time for a few vaccines. Politics should not blindly effect science then, or now.

[TVOR]

[quote=TVOR;535968]Colloidal silver for me and my family. ..quote]

yep good stuff
visiting a relative in the hospital this week too often.. and we have a spray mist bottle. Amazing stuff... so lethal to germs is threatened to be listed as a pesticde.

which reminds me that I was going to build a Colliodal silver generator to replenish supply.


another tool.. we have a Rife/Bare device. I have home built and have had remarkable success with it. we have been able to at least reduce episodes of colds and flu to just a day or 3.
was considering a thread on the topic.. Colliodal silver would be a good compliment to the conversation

Cool, I've heard of the Rife/Bare device but haven't researched it much yet. Another device I'm interested in is called a "VIBE machine". I've been curious about that since studying alternative cancer treatments for my late stepdad.

[TVOR]

Nope...I have an autistic nephew that was perfectly normal prior to his initial vaccines.

Never had a flu shot in my life and last time I had the flu was when I was 21 years of age...that was many moons ago.

So, I will take my chances and drink my elderberry concoction.

I miss elderberries. Mom and Grandma used to send all us guys out to gather them up every year and they'd make elderberry jelly. had some friends that could make some great elderberry wine too (but my folks didn't know about that LOL)

[Fed_Up]

Just like with the Bird Flu this crap is being over hyped once again for the fear factor. Me take their vaccine, no way.

[momof23goats]

I am not taking no shot. I am just going to stay home. In 1918, the cities were hit hard. but the country people did well. The country people quarntined theirtowns, and no one got in or out. people on farms stayed hoome. many places didn't get the flu.
I Plan on staying home. and not going out.