BREAKING NEWS: Possible swine flu outbreak in New York City Prep school!

[johngaltfla]

Possible Swine Flu Outbreak At NYC Prep School (http://wcbstv.com/health/swine.flu.nyc.2.994071.html)

Department Of Health Officials Testing 75 Students At St. Francis Preparatory School In Queens

NEW YORK (CBS) ―
Apr 24, 2009 8:47 pm US/Eastern

New York City health officials say that about 75 students at a Queens high school have fallen ill with flu-like symptoms and testing is under way to rule out the strain of swine flu that has killed dozens in Mexico.

The Health Department's Dr. Don Weiss said Friday that a team of agency doctors and investigators were dispatched to the private St. Francis Preparatory School the previous day after students reported fever, sore throat, cough, aches and pains. No one has been hospitalized.

The handful of sick students who remained at the school were tested for a variety of flu strains. If they're found to have a known human strain that would rule out swine flu.

Results could take several days. In the meantime, the school says it's postponing an evening event and sanitizing the building over the weekend.

Mexican authorities said 60 people may have died from a swine flu virus in Mexico, and world health officials worry it could unleash a global flu epidemic.

Mexico City closed schools, museums, libraries and state-run theaters across the metropolis Friday in hopes of containing the outbreak that has sickened more than 900.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said tests show some of the Mexico victims died from the same new strain of swine flu that sickened eight people in Texas and California. It's a frightening new strain that combines genetic material from pigs, birds and humans.

The World Health Organization was looking closely at the 60 deaths - most of them in or near Mexico's capital. It wasn't yet clear what flu they died from, but spokesman Thomas Abraham said "We are very, very concerned."

"We have what appears to be a novel virus and it has spread from human to human," he said. "It's all hands on deck at the moment."

WHO raised its internal alert system Friday, preparing to divert more money and personnel to dealing with the outbreak.

President Felipe Calderon cancelled a trip and met with his Cabinet to coordinate Mexico's response. The government has 500,000 flu vaccines and planned to administer them to health workers, the highest risk group.

There are no vaccines available for the general public in Mexico, and authorities urged people to avoid hospitals unless they had a medical emergency, since hospitals are centers of infection.

Some Mexican residents have started wearing blue surgical masks for extra protection, reports CBS News correspondent Adrienne Bard. The federal health minister has warned people not to go near anyone with a respiratory infection and to avoid kissing - traditional Mexican greeting.

[Raggedy Man]

Ruh-roh, Raggy!:shock:
Zoinks!

[johngaltfla]

Yeah, about 2800 miles from our first reported cases.:shock:

[ShakinSouth]

This isn't good.

[Jeffrey Thomason]

Is it ok to start getting nervous? :shock:

[johngaltfla]

Now on Drudge, or maybe he had it before. I just got the RSS alert a few minutes after it broke.

I think I'll be buying more P100 masks this weekend.:shock:

[Buttercup]

CRUD! :shock:

Get ready for the panic.

[johngaltfla]

CRUD! :shock:

Get ready for the panic.

Well, the grocery stores won't be boring.:shock:

[shortstop]

What are P100 masks?

[JDSeese]

They also have reported cases in Canada - further away or closer?
Although this may be a wildfire I'm sensing that mortality is not going to be too bad. The numbers in Mexico may be due to multiple factors

I hope I'm right

[johngaltfla]

What are P100 masks?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31KTQ12J11L._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Product Features



Filters out all particles down to .3 microns
Cool Flow Exhalation Valve reduces moisture and heat build-up within the face piece
Features a comfortable faceseal, adjustable straps, and lightweight construction
One size fits all
Dispose of mask after 150 hours of use

[Jeffrey Thomason]

They also have reported cases in Canada - further away or closer?
Although this may be a wildfire I'm sensing that mortality is not going to be too bad. The numbers in Mexico may be due to multiple factors

I hope I'm right

Doesn't matter what the ACTUAL mortality is, just the PERCEIVED mortality.

[shortstop]

Thank you, John. Where do we find these?

[Buttercup]

doesn't matter what the actual mortality is, just the perceived mortality.
exactly!

[johngaltfla]

Doesn't matter what the ACTUAL mortality is, just the PERCEIVED mortality.

10 die in NYC and that city shuts down.

100 die in Mexico and people say "don't drink the water."

You're right JT, it's all about PERCEPTION.

[DennisQA]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31KTQ12J11L._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Product Features



Filters out all particles down to .3 microns
Cool Flow Exhalation Valve reduces moisture and heat build-up within the face piece
Features a comfortable faceseal, adjustable straps, and lightweight construction
One size fits all
Dispose of mask after 150 hours of use


The plane is the best way to spread anything. Isn't viral down about .02?:idea:

[DennisQA]

10 die in NYC and that city shuts down.

100 die in Mexico and people say "don't drink the water."

You're right JT, it's all about PERCEPTION.

Parts of Mexico City still don't have the water not to drink.:?

[johngaltfla]

Thank you, John. Where do we find these?

Ah you missed the show.:mrgreen:

Any auto paint supply store worth its salt; some hardware stores. Home Depot and Lowes maybe. Amazon definitely but order tonight before they run out. Avoid eBay as some stores there sell old or defective units.

[kelee877]

They also have reported cases in Canada - further away or closer?
Although this may be a wildfire I'm sensing that mortality is not going to be too bad. The numbers in Mexico may be due to multiple factors

I hope I'm right

OH NO not Canadier aye...I think the one case was reported in Ottawa....

The plane is the best way to spread anything. Isn't viral down about .02?:idea:

In 1918 it took months to spread around the globe, because everything was done by boat..Now in 2009 it could takes day because we use planes...I am quoting this from one of 1918 articals I read...:shock:

[johngaltfla]

The plane is the best way to spread anything. Isn't viral down about .02?:idea:

I got mine based on the Reconomibics folks telling everyone that P100 for the H5N1 which was something like .5 microns if memory serves me right (someone please correct me). My P100 is a 3M replaceable face filter mask that goes to .1 microns. I used it to paint motorcycles back in "the day" so to speak.

[DennisQA]

OH NO not Canadier aye...I think the one case was reported in Ottawa....



In 1918 it took months to spread around the globe, because everything was done by boat..Now in 2009 it could takes day because we use planes...I am quoting this from one of 1918 articals I read...:shock:

Could this be our next hit? It would throw the world into a tizzy with all the other problems already in play.:shock:

[shortstop]

Yes, I did missed listening to tonight show....

I was just trying to access my work email.... This week I received "junk mail" about Prepping for Pandemics... It was for an e-conference to prepare your company and employees... I wish I could access it again.... This is unreal!

[johngaltfla]

Yes, I did missed listening to tonight show....

I was just trying to access my work email.... This week I received "junk mail" about Prepping for Pandemics... It was for an e-conference to prepare your company and employees... I wish I could access it again.... This is unreal!

LOL, well, I'm burned out. So that should tell you the intensity scale since I know as much about biological mutations as Turbo Timmy does about Turbo Tax.

:shock:

[DennisQA]

I got mine based on the Reconomibics folks telling everyone that P100 for the H5N1 which was something like .5 microns if memory serves me right (someone please correct me). My P100 is a 3M replaceable face filter mask that goes to .1 microns. I used it to paint motorcycles back in "the day" so to speak.

I'm sure it couldn't hurt. Shoot, even a rag around the face like the police use when they break in homes to arrest the wrong people would help. Something is not always better than nothing, but in this case it could be. Plus use the hand and face santizers. I wonder if the colidal (how's it spelled) silver would be a plus? :-|

[johngaltfla]

I'm sure it couldn't hurt. Shoot, even a rag around the face like the police use when they break in homes to arrest the wrong people would help. Something is not always better than nothing, but in this case it could be. Plus use the hand and face santizers. I wonder if the colidal (how's it spelled) silver would be a plus? :-|

Dennis, I have no idea. My cure for a virus is a nuke.

Be thankful I'm not Barry.

[DennisQA]

LOL, well, I'm burned out. So that should tell you the intensity scale since I know as much about biological mutations as Turbo Timmy does about Turbo Tax.

:shock:

Hey, just a note. Thanks for the info tonight, you did great, I'm glad you're there.:razz:

[Limner]

John, I don't have a doubt in the world that this flu thing is engineered. If we all have our eyes on the flu, how easy will it be for congress to get all kinds of toxic crud thru without much public spotlight? Just thinking out loud.....

[westernhalf]

Now on Drudge, or maybe he had it before. I just got the RSS alert a few minutes after it broke.


I think I'll be buying more P100 masks this weekend.:shock:


I ordered some--thanks for the heads-up.

[Jubilee on Earth]

John, I don't have a doubt in the world that this flu thing is engineered. If we all have our eyes on the flu, how easy will it be for congress to get all kinds of toxic crud thru without much public spotlight? Just thinking out loud.....

Didn't someone post something a while back about mass graves being dug here in the U.S.? And I also remember someone suggesting that the FEMA camps may be used as sick camps. This was all back when intentional pandemics were so tin-foily...

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKK...

Scary stuff to think about.

[HouseWolf]

http://cdn.wn.com/o25/ph//2009/04/07/5ad8688f4aea6718b2a38eceeea4dbab-grande.jpg

Airlines- an epidemiological nightmare..

[The Watcher]

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/apr2309swineflu.html

More US swine flu cases, Mexico illnesses raise pandemic questions

Lisa Schnirring http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/images/purple-speck.gif Staff Writer

Apr 23, 2009 (CIDRAP News) – Five more cases of an unusual swine influenza virus infection have surfaced, officials from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced today, bringing the total to seven and raising more concerns about human-to-human transmission.
The new cases include two clusters, two 16-year-old boys in San Antonio, Tex., who attended the same school and a father and daughter from San Diego County. Anne Schuchat, MD, interim deputy director for the CDC's science and public health program, told reporters today at a teleconference that the clusters are consistent with human-to-human spread.
She also said that the World Health Organization has not raised its six-phase pandemic alert level above phase 3 (no or very limited human-to-human transmission).
The fifth new case occurred in a patient from Imperial County, which borders San Diego County. Both counties are home to the first two swine flu patients that the CDC announced on Apr 21.

News of the five new swine flu cases came on the same day Canadian officials warned its public health, medical, and quarantine workers to look for illnesses among Canadians returning from Mexico. Mexico has reported several cases of severe respiratory illness and has asked Canada to assist in finding the source of the illnesses, some of which have been fatal, according to a report today from the Canadian Press (CP).
Schuchat said no swine flu cases have been confirmed in Mexico or Canada, but that CDC officials are discussing the situation with Mexican health officials and representatives from the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO).

Novel strain, relatively mild symptoms
Concerning the seven American cases, Schuchat said, "The good news is that all of the patients have recovered, and one was hospitalized. This is not looking like a very severe influenza."
Patients experience fever, cough, and sore throat symptoms similar to typical influenza, but some of the patients who had swine influenza also experienced more diarrhea and vomiting than is typical of seasonal flu.
The CDC said genetic sequencing of samples from the first two patients, California children who lived in adjacent counties, show that the swine flu virus contains segments from four different viruses: some North American swine, some North American avian, one human influenza, and two Eurasian swine.
"This virus hasn't been recognized in the USA or elsewhere," Schuchat said.

CDC scientists have determined that the novel swine flu virus is resistant to the older antivirals rimantadine and amantadine but is susceptible to oseltamivir and zanamivir.
Schuchat said the CDC expects to see more swine flu cases and that it would provide regular updates on its Web site.
"This is not time for major concern around the country, but we want you to know what's going on," she said. Most of the public health response will focus on the California and Texas areas where cases have been identified, but the CDC is urging health departments in other states to heighten their awareness of respiratory illnesses, particularly in those who have had contact with pigs or traveled to the San Diego or San Antonio areas.
Schuchat said the CDC doesn't know yet if the H1N1 component of this season's influenza vaccine provides any protection against the swine flu virus, but she said studies are under way to determine if there is any cross-protection.

Expert reaction
Michael T. Osterholm, PhD, MPH, director of the University of Minnesota Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, publisher of CIDRAP News, said the findings, though concerning, don't mean that a pandemic is imminent.
However, he said health officials shouldn't take comfort in the fact that the illnesses so far have been mild. "The first wave of the 1918 pandemic was mild, too," Osterholm pointed out.
Walter Dowdle, PhD, who worked in the CDC's virology unit during the 1976 swine flu outbreak, told CIDRAP News that it's interesting but not greatly alarming that the 2009 swine flu strain contains such an unusual mix of gene segments.

"It's a real mutt," said Dowdle, who now works with the Task Force for Child Survival and Development, based in Atlanta. "When you have an evolving RNA mechanism, it's hard to be surprised by anything."
The H1N1 component of the seasonal flu vaccine might provide some degree of protection, he said. And if the swine flu virus persists, federal officials could consider adding an additional H1N1 strain to next year's vaccine.
Marie Gramer, DVM, PhD, a University of Minnesota veterinarian who has studied swine flu, said her preliminary examination shows that the outbreak strain doesn't appear to closely match anything currently circulating in pigs. However, Gramer added that she has only looked at a small number of viruses and only at the hemagglutinin gene.

Risk message implications
Peter Sandman, PhD, a risk communication consultant based in Princeton, N.J., also listened in on today's CDC teleconference. While he credited the CDC with getting a clear, calm, and concise scientific message out about the swine flu cases, he said they missed a teachable moment to promote pandemic preparedness.
"Everyone needs to learn how to say 'This could be bad, and it's a good reason to take precautions and prepare' and 'This could fizzle out,'" Sandman said. "They need to simultaneously say both statements."
He added that "good risk communicators need to know how to be both scary and tentative."

Federal health officials are probably treading cautiously around the word "pandemic," because some accused them of fearmongering when they raised concerns about the H5N1 virus 2 years ago and also because of overreaction during the 1976 swine flu epidemic that led to vaccination missteps.
When talking to the public about pandemic risks, federal officials could take some cues from hurricane forecasters, Sandman said, "and speculate responsibly."

Canadian officials probe Mexico illnesses
Canada's Public Health Authority (PHAC) said today in a situation update that Mexican authorities have asked its assistance in determining the cause of two clusters of severe respiratory illnesses that have occurred this month.

A cluster in Mexico City involved 120 cases and 13 deaths; the other occurred in San Luis Potosi, where 14 cases and 4 deaths were reported. Three deaths were reported from other locations: One from Oaxaca in southern Mexico and two from Baja California Norte, near the US border.
The PHAC report said the disease outbreak struck some healthcare workers and that most patients were previously healthy young adults between the ages of 25 and 44. Symptoms included fever, headache, ocular pain, shortness of breath, and fatigue that rapidly progressed to severe respiratory distress in about 5 days.

Mexican officials detected some influenza A/H1N1 and influenza B viruses, but have apparently ruled out H5N1 virus involvement. The PHAC said it received 51 clinical samples from Mexico for testing at its National Microbiology Lab.
Mexico told the PHAC that it had a late influenza season with an increasing number of influenza-like illnesses since the middle of March. The country also had a higher proportion of influenza B viruses than previous seasons.

[Is45]

[Mexico] authorities urged people to avoid hospitals unless they had a medical emergency, since hospitals are centers of infection.




This is good advice anytime, not just during a pandemic.


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[chicom]

That was fast.

[Cjihopso]

I ordered some--thanks for the heads-up.
just ordered mine from amazon..........tks for heads up!


Cji

[Sherrynboo]

I am wondering now if this is what J. Leno has. Haven't heard an official diagnosis.

Sherry in GA

[momof23goats]

well, get ready, this is probably it.

[Is45]

I am wondering now if this is what J. Leno has. Haven't heard an official diagnosis.

Sherry in GA



Jay Leno Released from Hospital


Jay Leno has been released from hospital and is expected to be back at work on Monday.


Jay Leno was hospitalized (http://www.inquisitr.com/22655/jay-leno-hospitalized/) at Providence St. Joseph Medical Center Thursday where he spent the night for “precautionary reasons” but was released early Friday. He checked himself into the hospital after going to work and complaining of not feeling well. Details of his illness have not been officially released, but sources close to 58 year old Leno say the “Tonight Show” host told friends he was probably suffering from food poisoning. (http://www.inquisitr.com/22739/jay-leno-released-from-hospital/#)


NBC, Jay Leno’s employer, released this statement earlier:“We [are] happy to say that Jay Leno is feeling much better and has been released from the hospital. He’s anxious (http://www.inquisitr.com/22739/jay-leno-released-from-hospital/#) to return to work on Monday.”
With this Swine Flu (http://www.inquisitr.com/22726/swine-flu-outbreak-what-are-the-symptoms-p2s/) outbreak in the U.S. right now, we’re glad Jay Leno is ok.


http://www.inquisitr.com/22739/jay-leno-released-from-hospital/


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[oldladydoolin]

I work in an ER and mentioned this last night to the staff and no one had heard about it. I was shocked because it was on the news.

[Samurai Jane]

"The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said tests show some of the Mexico victims died from the same new strain of swine flu that sickened eight people in Texas and California. It's a frightening new strain that combines genetic material from pigs, birds and humans."

That ain't natural. The good news is that the engineered kinds of flu don't seem to be able to survive well at all "in the wild".

It's also important to not let the media morons scare us. Fear weakens the immune system.

[momof23goats]

my dh is on his way there right now. he is a trucker, and he is taking a load into NYC, and then picking one up.

[Belle]

Yeah, about 2800 miles from our first reported cases.:shock:
Well, who do we know that has recently gone to Mexico, then back to the east coast? (hint: our 'beloved' president)

[OrionRising]

Well, who do we know that has recently gone to Mexico, then back to the east coast? (hint: our 'beloved' president)

and if he went and entourage of hundreds went along....

[Belle]

and if he went and entourage of hundreds went along....
Uh huh, that's right.

[Spirit Of Truth]

Yeah, about 2800 miles from our first reported cases.:shock:

I think this is bioterrorism.

The flu strain is a strange, unexpected combination of different swine, avian and human flu viruses. This has manmade written all over it.

Who and why?

Russia may be making its move. However, this might simply be economic sabotage at this point. But Russia's Black Sea fleet did set sail already...

[Raggedy Man]

I think this is bioterror.
Sure smells like it to me. Four kinds of flu virus in one package? :?

[Ruckmanite]

Listening to bubblevision tonight.

They said this one was particularly tough, as it was a combination of:

Avian, Swine, Human genes from Asia, North America, and Europe.

[Spirit Of Truth]

Listening to bubblevision tonight.

They said this one was particularly tough, as it was a combination of:

Avian, Swine, Human genes from Asia, North America, and Europe.

It's almost blatantly bioterrorism.

The bug was first released in Mexico to create uncertainty regarding the origins. Now the virus is being dispersed in the U.S. as if it travelled here.

This is hugely bad folks.

We are under WMD bioterror attack IMHO.

This is how it starts.

[Samurai Jane]

Listening to bubblevision tonight.

They said this one was particularly tough, as it was a combination of:

Avian, Swine, Human genes from Asia, North America, and Europe.
They always have to have something to scare the daylights out of us and keep us in a dependent frenzy. I'm not falling for it any more. If they could actually create a pandemic they would have done so within the past 10 years.

[patriot2008]

Listening to bubblevision tonight.

They said this one was particularly tough, as it was a combination of:

Avian, Swine, Human genes from Asia, North America, and Europe.

A flu cocktail how convenient... Any one want to bet it go's critical in July

[Spirit Of Truth]

A flu cocktail how convenient... Any one want to bet it go's critical in July

Looks likely to go critical in the coming days if the NYC school outbreak is confirmed.

[TKD_Kid2]

It's almost blatantly bioterrorism.

The bug was first released in Mexico to create uncertainty regarding the origins. Now the virus is being dispersed in the U.S. as if it travelled here.



Or a test ground to see if it worked or if they needed to tweek it a bit.

[Sarah]

Just great:twisted:, and I thought we were finally getting out of the flu season here. I haven't seen any cases recently in my office.

[TKD_Kid2]

Ok haven't seen it mentioned on the thread but what are the human symptoms of these outbreak ???

[Corinthian]

Listening to a delayed cast of the Michael Savage show and a caller called in and stated his kids go to that school in NYC. Just a couple of kids went to Mexico but expose the whole school.

[Heartofdixie]

Oh boy, I just got through watching, "I Am Legend". Not the kind of movie to watch with all of this Flu News. :shock:

[nharrold]

"This is not looking like a very severe influenza."

Those 60 dead Mexicans might disagree...

[Jeffrey Thomason]

Not sure if this has been posted yet: http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/news/releases/20090423.shtm

News Release
April 23, 2009

Two Human Cases of Swine Flu Confirmed in Texas

The Texas Department of State Health Services today announced that swine flu has been confirmed in two 16-year-old boys from Guadalupe County near San Antonio.
One became ill on April 10, the other on April 14. Their illnesses were relatively mild. Neither was hospitalized. Both have recovered. Though the boys are friends, it has not been determined how either became infected.
Laboratory test results received today from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention indicate that the illnesses were caused by a swine influenza A (H1N1) virus. Preliminary lab data suggests that the virus closely matches the viruses from recent swine flu infections in human cases from Southern California.
State public health officials are investigating to determine if any close contacts of the boys have become ill and are asking hospitals, doctors and others in the area to be especially alert for other possible cases.
DSHS and local public health agencies in Texas were already involved in a CDC-led swine flu investigation because one of the two original cases from Southern California, a 10-year-old boy, traveled to Dallas for an extended visit with relatives. No additional cases connected to the boy have been confirmed.
Initial information from the investigation of the two teenagers' illnesses indicates no recent travel and no connection to the boy who traveled to Dallas from Southern California.
Symptoms of swine flu in people are similar to those of regular or seasonal flu and include fever, lethargy, lack of appetite and coughing. Some with swine flu also have reported runny nose, sore throat, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea.

[Corinthian]

Waiting here in Arizona to get out first case. Our local news interview a state employee and they stated its probably already here. People will just probably think its a normal flu.

[Is45]

Oh boy, I just got through watching, "I Am Legend". Not the kind of movie to watch with all of this Flu News. :shock:




I was thinking about that movie earlier this evening... it seems to fit.

Have you ever seen the original movie, The Last Man on Earth, with Vincent Price ?


Plot summary for The Last Man on Earth (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058700/) (1964 (http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Years/1964/))

Dr. Robert Morgan (Vincent Price) is the only survivor of a devastating world-wide plague due to a mysterious immunity he acquired to the bacterium while working in Central America years ago. He is all alone now...or so it seems. As night falls, plague victims begin to leave their graves, part of a hellish undead army that''s thirsting for blood...his!


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058700/


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[Spirit Of Truth]

"This is not looking like a very severe influenza."

Those 60 dead Mexicans might disagree...

This is an odd statement given the Mexico mortality rate if the figures are correct is around 10%. That'll equate to 100s of millions globally if there's a pandemic.

[americancrusader]

this id the time we let alot of workers from mexico in to start planting and picking crops for the year just so yall know

[SheWoff]

From the article on page two from CIDRAPThe CDC said genetic sequencing of samples from the first two patients, California children who lived in adjacent counties, show that the swine flu virus contains segments from four different viruses: some North American swine, some North American avian, one human influenza, and two Eurasian swine.
"This virus hasn't been recognized in the USA or elsewhere," Schuchat said.

From the op articleThe handful of sick students who remained at the school were tested for a variety of flu strains. If they're found to have a known human strain that would rule out swine flu.

Notice anything???

The original virus from the Mexico outbreak contains both human viri...influenza A and influenza B strains. So either of 3 things happened/are happening here.

1. We have two seperate outbreaks of influenza going on. The first one is in Mexico and Cali/Texas with a new "superstrain" of influenza never before seen in the wild. The second is in the US and is ONLY swine flu on the East coast.

2. New York City health officials are missing a key piece to the puzzle and that is that there ARE human influenza types included in this outbreak and therefore you cannot r/o this Mexican superflu just by the presence of that alone. If you do, you risk this getting so far out of control, so fast (think NYC, subways, coughing, population, etc...:shock:) that it would be a nightmare.

3. NYC health department is either stupid or they know more than they can say now or ever.

If this is the superbug in NYC, no where is safe from it now. To go out in public anywhere to me is a risk I would rather not take at this time. I am very selective in where I go now anyways and don't go out much, but that was a choice we made in case something like this should ever happen. I don't think I will be going out too soon lol. If you do go out remember the 4 foot rule. Take and USE your masks. Take and USE your puracell or what ever handcleaner you use.

Someone asking about symptoms...they are in the Mexico thread but will repeat them here for everyone. SYMPTOMS OF THE FLU: Symptoms of swine flu in humans are expected to resemble regular human seasonal influenza symptoms, including fever, lethargy, lack of appetite, and coughing, the CDC said. Other reported symptoms include runny nose, sore throat, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. That is from the CDC web site listed under this new outbreak.

She

She

[Heartofdixie]

I was thinking about that movie earlier this evening... it seems to fit.

Have you ever seen the original movie, The Last Man on Earth, with Vincent Price ?


Plot summary for The Last Man on Earth (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058700/) (1964 (http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Years/1964/))

Dr. Robert Morgan (Vincent Price) is the only survivor of a devastating world-wide plague due to a mysterious immunity he acquired to the bacterium while working in Central America years ago. He is all alone now...or so it seems. As night falls, plague victims begin to leave their graves, part of a hellish undead army that''s thirsting for blood...his!


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058700/


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No, I haven't seen that one. I love Vincent Price. :mrgreen:

[Navajo]

No, I haven't seen that one. I love Vincent Price. :mrgreen:


http://www.watch-movies-links.net/movies/the_last_man_on_earth/

[Heartofdixie]

Thankies! 8)

[SheWoff]

Here is a thread started in the Tavern on sick rooms at home.
http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?p=536751#post536751

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[Spirit Of Truth]

Just posted in my blog on this:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/

Who would be behind starting a pandemic in North America?

Consider the following excerpt from Chapter 16, Chemical and Biological Warfare: The Covert Dimension, in the long forgotten book, Soviet Strategic Deception (1987), which was authored by Joseph Douglass, Jr.:


"....their (Russian) strategy calls for deceptive actions designed to mislead the West into lowering its guard while the Soviets covertly go to maximum readiness to strike first....

As part of this process, the Soviets could initiate a massive covert biological and chemical war that would be confusing for the U.S. leadership to analyze - possibly impossible to know the certain cause. This process could effectively disable U.S. forces and the civilian population and make it impossible for the U.S. to go to war..." (Soviet Strategic Deception: CBW - The Covert Dimension, Joseph D. Douglass, Jr., p.329)

[Is45]

S of T

Dr Koryagina [I assume you know of her] also mentioned a 2nd hit
on the US - on the consumer market - what does that have to do
with a flu pandemic ? Well... Dr Koryagina gave the then current
anthrax scare as an example of a second hit that would destroy
the US consumer market.


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[Wakemeup]

Listening to a delayed cast of the Michael Savage show and a caller called in and stated his kids go to that school in NYC. Just a couple of kids went to Mexico but expose the whole school.

TWO idiot coworkers of mine (I say that affectionately) recently returned from vaca in Mexico. I thought it stupid of them to go as it is not recommended in the first place, but now this! OMG... I better go shopping...

[Is45]

Spanish flu = Hispanic flu :shock::shock::shock:


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[Spirit Of Truth]

S of T

Dr Koryagina [I assume you know of her] also mentioned a 2nd hit
on the US - on the consumer market - what does that have to do
with a flu pandemic ? Well... Dr Koryagina gave the then current
anthrax scare as an example of a second hit that would destroy
the US consumer market.


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LOL!

That's because she was given a copy of the script ahead of time!

Dr. Koryagina is senior economist from the Institute of Macroeconomic Research at the Russian Ministry of Economic Development and Trade.

[Limner]

Didn't someone post something a while back about mass graves being dug here in the U.S.? And I also remember someone suggesting that the FEMA camps may be used as sick camps. This was all back when intentional pandemics were so tin-foily...

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKK...

Scary stuff to think about.

Sure is scary. And I heard mentioned somewhere that the Dems are planning on shoving the Health Care Bill thru VERY shortly....folks will be screaming for it, with so many sick. And a dollar to a doughnut sez it will make our elderberries and other natural remedies illegal. Hilliary's health bill would have, if it had gotten thru. I do know the current bill will prohibit vitamins, except by prescription. :evil: To say nothing about what it will do to the nation's budget. Might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

[angelwing]

I didn't see it posted, but it's up to 300 infected persons:

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/woalert_read.php?cid=21414&lang=eng

Situation Update No. 1
On 25.04.2009 at 03:39 GMT+2</B>

The Health Department is monitoring an outbreak of flu at St. Francis Prep in Fresh Meadows, Queens to see if the students may have come down with the swine flu virus. As many as 300 students have reported they were suffering from flu-like symptoms. Some of the students told PIX News they recently visited Mexico. The flu outbreak forced school officials to cancel an event called "International Night," which was scheduled for Friday night. A thousand people has been expecting to attend. There are reports that initial tests on some of the students have come back negative for swine flu and that they may be suffering from a regular strain of the virus unrelated to the those cases from Mexico. A form of swine flu is suspected of killing as many as 60 people in Mexico and sickened more than a thousand others. Officials with the Centers for Disease Control have confirmed eight people in the United States have contracted swine flu and will be keeping the American people updated. President Barack Obama is also being updated on the outbreak.

[north runner]

Well I was wondering if it was a designer virus targeting hispanics and maybe blacks. Obama is making an arse of himself around the world.

[kelee877]

An update;thats about all I can pull off the news for now;

I guess everything rides on this meeting today...

Swine Flu Could Cause Pandemic, WHO Says


By Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 25, 2009 10:40 AM

The swine flu virus that is responsible for an outbreak in Mexico and has been detected in the southwestern United States has the potential to cause a pandemic, a top international health official said today.

"It has pandemic potential," Margaret Chan, the director-general of the World Health Organization, told reporters during a telephone briefing. "It is infecting people."

Chan held the briefing after cutting short a trip to the United States so she could rush back to the WHO's headquarters in Geneva to convene an emergency meeting of the organization's experts to decide what steps should be taken to contain the virus.

"The situation is evolving quickly," Chan said. "We do not yet have a complete picture of the epidemiology or the risk, including possible spread beyond the currently affected areas. Nonetheless, in the assessment of WHO this is serious situation that must be watched very carefully."

The WHO could recommend declaring an international public health emergency, which could have major global implications on travel and trade. It could also raise its "pandemic alert level," which is currently at level three. That level means no or very limited risk of new virus spreading from person to person.

"These will be important questions addressed by the advisory committee," she said.

Chan noted that no outbreaks have been reported elsewhere, but the agency was advising countries to heighten their efforts to search for any signs the virus was spreading.

"It has pandemic potential because it is infecting people. However we cannot say on the basis of currently available laboratory, epidemiologic and clinical evidence whether or not it will indeed cause a pandemic," Chan said.

More than 800 cases and at least 62 deaths have been reported in Mexico, with most of the cases occurring in the country's sprawling capital of Mexico City. But cases have been reported elsewhere in the country, and at least eight cases have been found in California and Texas near the Mexican border.

Although the U.S. cases have been mostly relatively mild, the outbreak in Mexico appears to be striking young, healthy adults, conjuring images of the devastating 1918 Spanish flu pandemic. But the WHO has dispatched a team of experts to assist Mexican authorities, who have shut down schools, museums, libraries and advised residents to stay home.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/25/AR2009042501335_pf.html

[Is45]

Well I was wondering if it was a designer virus targeting hispanics and maybe blacks. Obama is making an arse of himself around the world.




Maybe he's Typhoid Mary :idea:


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[dogone13]

John
Maybe it is through this they get there martial law started.I'm sure it will be later after it really spreads far and wide.Till the people cry out for them to do something.The the quarantines will start and the trains start running & stadiums open up.
Vinny 8)