Pre, mid or post tribulation

[Maximilian]

When do you believe the rapture will happen?

Do you believe Jesus will gather his people before the hour of temptation and it will be pre-tribulation?

Do you believe it will be mid tribulation meaning, the Anti- Christ will be
revieled and we will be raptured out when he breaks the 7 year false peace agreement with Israel.

Or do you believe we will have to go through all of the steps of the tribulation.

Which means we are screwed...

Give scriptures for your reasons to back up your opinion.

I already have my opinion and will post that after others have given theirs.

[TigerStripe]

I have a belief in one of them but can't, at this moment, back it up with chapter and verse. What about those who don't believe there will be a rapture, which is most closely aligned with your Post-Tribulation thesis. (By "your" I mean as described by you, not necessarily believed.)


TS

[Outside]

I don't believe in fairy tales.

[Achilles]

I think it will be mid trib, though it may be post.

Here are my quotations:


Romans:2:9: Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Ro:5:3: And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Ro:8:35: Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Ro:12:12: Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

2Collossians:1:4: Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

1Thesallonians:3:4: For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.

2Th:1:4: So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

Revelation:2:10: Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Re:7:14: And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

[Maximilian]

I don't believe in fairy tales.

Sorry, I didn't make an option for the souless fools left behind to vote.
Your SOL.

[night driver]

I didn't notice a none of the above option....


Some of our pastors don't use Rapture vs Tribulations in their teaching End Times....

IIRC Alastair Begg is one....and my memory of Hank Henegraph suggests he is another...

though I could be wrong....

[CAYSEN]

I don't believe in fairy tales.

I don't believe in fairy tales either. Whats that got to do with ilikelegs original post?

[solookup]

The DIFFERENCE between the
RAPTURE (harpazo,caught up) , and the SECOND COMING OF CHRIST.

The Rapture is a SEPERATE EVENT in time than the Second Coming of Christ.
There are specific verses that establish this when looked at comparitivly.

Acts 17:11 , 2Ti 2:15

Rapture----------------------------------------------Second Coming


NO SIGHNS PRECEED Rapture----GLOBAL SIGHNS PRECEDE the Second Coming of Christ
1 Thessalonians 5:1-3-------------------Luke 21:11-18

He comes in the AIR--------Christ comes to the EARTH
1 Thessalonians 4:17--------Acts 1:11, Zechariah 14:4-5

ONLY His own will SEE Him------------EVERY EYE will SEE Him
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18-----------------Matthew 24:30, Revelaton 1:17

Christ comes FOR His own------------Christ comes WITH His own
John 14:3, 1 Thessalonians 4:17-----Revelaton 19:14

He comes TO His Bride (Body of Christ/Church)--He comes WITH his Bride
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18----------------------------------Revelation19:6-14

REMOVAL (dissapearance) of Church/bride/Body of Christ---MANIFISTATION of Christ
1 Thessalonians 4:17----------------------------------------------------Malachi 4:2

The Body of Christ (Church/Bride) DELIVERED from WRATH--unsaved EXPERIANCE the WRATH
1 Thessalonians 1:10,& 5:9, Revelation 3:10--------------------------Revelation 6:12-17

These verses either contradict each other, or they are seperate events, cant have
it both ways here.

There are Prophecies for the Chruch, and there are Prophecies for Israel, there are
also Prophecies for specific nations.

God has made promises (prophecies to Israel)and He is going to keep them, the confusion
comes from Christians reading verses that are directed at the nation of Israel.

The Body of Christ (Church) will not be prevailed against---saints (tribulation era) are prevailded against
Matthew 16:18------------------------------------------------------------Daneil 7:21

This results in the assumption that all these verses are talking about the same
event. As i have shown in comparrison these verses must be describing two
differnent events. On the surface they seem the same event , looked at closely
they describe two events at seperate points in time, it also places the rapture before
the tribulation.

SUBJECT of FOCUS: LORD and CHURCH---SUBJECT of FOCUS:ISRAEL's Milleniual (1000yr) KINGDOM
1 Thesssalonians 4:13-18----------------------------Matthew chapter 24

TRIBULATION begins-------------------------------(TRIB ENDS) MILLINIAL (1000yr) KINGDOM begins
2 Thessalonians 1:6-9------------------------------Revelation 20:1-7

world is DECEIVED (ruled by) an ACTIVE satan---satan is BOUND durring MILLINIUM
2 Thessalonians 2:3-12--------------------------------------Revelation 20:1-2

JMHO

MARANATHA