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solookup
11-23-2007, 12:44 PM
What of the Watchmen?

How to Discern: Part 6
By Anton Bosch


Each believer has responsibility for himself to be on the lookout for error and deception (Revelation 3:11). The Lord has also set the elders in the local church with the duty to watch for wolves who would seek to attack the flock (Acts 20:28-30).

In these last days error is multiplying and spreading faster than the average believer or shepherd can track. Every day brings some new heresy, and modern electronic media and world travel has resulted in new heresies spreading across the globe within hours of being hatched. Often these teachings are so cleverly disguised that it literally takes a specialist to recognize them and to formulate a defense against them.

As a result the Lord has raised up a special group of people who have been uniquely gifted and prepared to act as watchmen to the churches. When Nehemiah rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem, the attacks were so incessant that in addition to every man carrying his sword whilst building (Nehemiah 4:17-18), a select group was tasked with looking out for the enemy (Nehemiah 4:9, 16). As a shepherd in a local church, it would be impossible for me to fulfill my duties and keep track of the many new errors that arise almost daily. I am therefore very grateful for those who have dedicated themselves to the work of monitoring, researching, warning and formulating answers to the many winds of false doctrine of our time.

But, as in every area of the Lord’s work, there is the good, the bad and the ugly. Just the fact that someone points out error does not necessarily make them devoid of error themselves. Some err in doctrine, and others in their attitude or lifestyle. It is therefore important that we establish what the difference is between the good and the bad amongst discernment ministries. (I use “discernment ministries” [lower case] as a generic term distinct from Discernment Ministries which refers to a specific organization).

In one sense, this is the easiest ministry that anyone can get into these days. This is true simply because it is much easier to point out mistakes in others than to correct those mistakes. Some who could not write or preach a single word to edify the church get involved in throwing stones. Pulling down is easier than building up and finding fault is easier than teaching truth. Many are involved in these ministries because they want revenge for past hurt, or because they want to be involved in ministry but do not have the gifts to do so, or even because they have a problem with pride.

Here are some important questions to ask about discernment ministries:

What attitude do they display? Is it one of arrogance and pride and do they feel that they are better than those poor heretics over there? Or do they genuinely mourn and weep over the state of the church? Do they speak with humility and grace, recognizing that it is only the grace of God that has kept them? Do they feel that they are superior to everyone else and God’s only remnant? (The series “Contentiously Contending” deal with this in much detail.)

Who are the faces behind that particular ministry? What are their personal lives like? Do they have a history of serving the churches and standing for truth? Are they in fellowship with other believers and ministries, and do they serve a local church? Or are they loose cannons?

What is their motive? Is it revenge, profit, fame and importance? Or is it love for the Lord, His Word and his People? (The previous article “Who’s Who?” applies as much to discernment ministries as to preachers.)

Are their accusations based on thoroughly documented research supported by credible witnesses and empirical proof? Or is it based on second-hand rumor and guilt by association? Many of these ministries could discredit someone just because that person happened to pass through the same airport as a known heretic, even though there is no connection between them.

Do they rely on innuendo, rumor and quotes taken out of context to make their case? Or do they rely on facts, track-records, history and documents?

Are they credible? In other words how do you know you can trust them? Do they exaggerate or embellish to make a point? Have you ever noticed them lying, or are they people of integrity? Is their assessment balanced, or are they biased? Do they ever have something good to say about anyone, or can they only speak about what is evil and wrong?

Are they conspiracy theorists? One such man teaches that the Jews are to blame for every form of evil that plagues our world, that NASA found dinosaur bones on the moon but conspired to conceal the matter, but at another time claimed that man never went to the moon and that it was all a conspiracy! Yes, this man is one of the most prominent speakers, broadcasters and writers against “error.”

Do they teach the truth or only against error? Do they provide an antidote to the heresy, or can they only point out what is wrong? The Lord and the Word never reveal a problem without providing a solution to that problem. Yes, the Bible speaks against sin, but it also provides the antidote – the precious blood of Jesus. It reveals the wickedness of man’s heart but offers the righteousness of God to those who believe (Romans 3:22-23).

Just the fact that someone has a discernment or apologetic ministry does not exempt them from all the checks and balances we have spoken about in this series. They need to be checked. The bad need to be rejected and the good need to be valued. I would urge you to know which of these ministries can be trusted and to read their material regularly. If you are a pastor or preacher, you need to attend a good discernment conference every year in order that you may be warned of the new devices of the evil one.

If you do use their services you need to support them by your prayers, encouragement and gifts. The good ones will never speak of their needs, yet it costs a lot of stamina and finances to keep those ministries going – help them so they can better serve you. Above all, pray for them. It takes a lot of courage and they pay a very high personal price for their stand as they are constantly being attacked. They need your prayers and encouragement.

The fact that Nehemiah set a watch and dedicated some to bear arms, did not absolve the rest of the people from being on guard:

“Those who built on the wall, and those who carried burdens, loaded themselves so that with one hand they worked at construction, and with the other held a weapon. Every one of the builders had his sword girded at his side as he built. And the one who sounded the trumpet was beside me. Then I said to the nobles, the rulers, and the rest of the people, "The work is great and extensive, and we are separated far from one another on the wall. Wherever you hear the sound of the trumpet, rally to us there. Our God will fight for us” (Nehemiah 4:17-20).

http://herescope.blogspot.com/2007/10/what-of-watchmen.html

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SheWoff
11-23-2007, 12:54 PM
Well if that wasn't a right on time article! I was just sitting here thinking on some things and asking the good Lord about some stuff and you post this.... :shock: Thank you so much and God bless you!

I think in the coming days ahead, discernment is going to be harder and harder to do. It is going to take a "group think" if you will, to figure out the good from the bad. Some of us know a lot, some of us know a little, but together we can be of good to each other, to edify, to build up, to correct with love and check ourselves.

It's not the country I grew up in any longer.

She

solookup
11-23-2007, 01:15 PM
I think in the coming days ahead, discernment is going to be harder and harder to do. It is going to take a "group think" if you will, to figure out the good from the bad. Some of us know a lot, some of us know a little, but together we can be of good to each other, to edify, to build up, to correct with love and check ourselves.

It's not the country I grew up in any longer.

AMEN !

Freeholder
11-23-2007, 08:33 PM
The Bible does say that 'if it were possible, even the elect would be deceived' (paraphrase of Matt. 24:24). It is absolutely critical to KNOW the Bible. I just heard a song recently with an old lawyer talking to a young Christian, and he says 'you've got to know the Bible like a lawyer knows the law'. (I have no idea who the singer was-- would appreciate knowing if anyone can tell me!)

Kathleen

Johnboy
11-23-2007, 08:42 PM
I truly believe that the days in which we live are fulfilling the scripture you quoted about the elect. Only I believe a bit different than most, I believe that the [church] leadership will fall away and the body will be given wisdom as to God's Word and the Truth for this day. The body (the elect) will know that pastors are leading them astray and find fellowship with the right church.

Thats all I got to say about that!

Johnboy

fruit loop
11-30-2007, 07:04 AM
My opinion is that any believer should study the teachings of Jesus, and find their own personal walk with God. Attend church if you wish, but never let anyone lead you around by your nose.

The problem with "spiritual guardians" and ministers is that they are themselves human. "Spiritual Guardians" of faith in their communities almost inevitably morph into "Christian Taliban" and that's not good either.

I'm sure I'll get the chance to explain myself to God. At least I can tell Him that mistakes were mine, not because I stupidly and blindly followed someone else's.

solookup
11-30-2007, 09:31 AM
"Christian Taliban"

i KNEW you would get around to this f.l.

it might amuse you to know i resigned as chapel
mod because of your tare style of posting.

there is no one here to hold the line,, so have at it.

fruit loop
11-30-2007, 02:03 PM
What is a "tare" style of posting?

Why would I be happy because you are/are not a mod?

I think you miss my point. It's that power and authority corrupt, and trust in God, not in man. It's easier to explain your actions to God, who will know that you acted out of pure motives, than to explain that you let someone else do your thinking for you and lead you astray.

solookup
11-30-2007, 04:09 PM
tare, as in 'wolf in sheep's clothing.

i tried to hold the line against your post here,, i deleted it on sight
after getting the ok from the top.

then was told i cant hold the line here at this site.


sooo,,, when there is no one to guard the sheep,,, the wolves come.

like you.

that is what i meant.

that is why i resigned.

let me ask you a question,,


did you write this book fruitloop ? or is it just a 'favorite' ?

http://www.amazon.com/Shattering-Stereotypes-Muslim-Women-Speak/dp/1566565693

Shattering The Stereotypes: Muslim Women Speak Out

by Nawal El Saadawi (Foreword), Fawzia Afzal-Khan (Editor) "Since 9/11, I have written and published several essays examining the reductive discourses that sprang up, mushroom-like, in mainstream media (particularly within the U.S.) to...

( i have a long memory ,, especially when it is about tares.)

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=222468

post # 19

post # 50

neither you or your husband answered the question.


did you write this book ? or is it a 'favorite" ?

i suspect you are not only NOT a Christian,, i suspect you are a troll
muslim.

you seem to love that whole "Christian Taliban" thingy .

fruit loop
11-30-2007, 05:08 PM
You would have to ask Sweet Baboo about "Middle Eastern Muslim Women Speak" as he has read it, and I have not.

No, I did not write that book. I write fantasy and romance novels - and under a pseudonym, so forget it ye trolls at UB's - and the occasional non-fiction article.

As for my faith - I'm Lutheran. I'm also an ordained interfaith minister (you may laugh - yes, they were desperate) from my days working with AIDS patients and the homeless. Sweet Baboo's beliefs are Universalist and he has a divinity degree from the Unitarian Universalist Church.

Yes, we do have friends who are Muslim, as well as friends who are devout Buddhists, Christians, Jews, pagans, agnostics, and atheists.

Wolf, huh? Fine by me. Wolves are cool.


P.S. Please reinstate yourself as a mod. Wolfie promises not to come and howl at your door with dripping fangs. I really don't want you to lose a job on my account. I have no idea why you would feel that you have to resign just because you disagree with my remarks.

Johnboy
11-30-2007, 08:07 PM
Thats funny, I thought the parable about the thieves that came and sowed tares with the wheat was about those who may not be believers sitting amongst those of them that are, and didn't Christ say He would remove the tares from the wheat in the end?

Just thinkin here.

Johnboy