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    We have skirted this issue in many threads, but, to my knowledge, not head-on. David Reagan, in his LAMBLION Ministries magazine gives this argument for:
    The Next Prophetic War

    Most prophetic scholars have long believed that the next great end time war will be the War of Gog & Magog that is described in Ezekiel 38 and 39. This, for example is the stated position of Joel Rosenberg in his popular book, Epicenter. This war will start when Russia invades Israel with certain specified allies, all of whom are Muslim nations today.
    But I seriously doubt that the conflict described in Ezekiel 38 and 39 will be the next war of end time Bible prophecy. There are two reasons why I feel this way.
    First, there is a condition for the war of Ezekiel 38 and 39 that has not been met. Three times in Ezekiel 38 — in verses 8, 11, and 14 — it states that the war described in that chapter will not occur until the people of Israel are living "securely" in "unwalled villages."
    Israel is not living in security today. It is bombarded daily by missiles from Gaza, and it is constantly under the threat of missile attacks from Hezbollah in Lebanon. There is also the ever present threat of terrorist attacks, a threat that has forced Israel to construct a 400 mile long wall down the center of the country. In short, it is laughable today to even think of the Jewish people of Israel as living "securely" in "unwalled villages."
    The second reason I doubt that the war of Ezekiel 38 and 39 will be the next end time war of Bible prophecy is because the nations mentioned in Ezekiel 38:5-6 as the allies of Russia do not include a single Arab state with a border adjacent to Israel. The nations identified are Persia (Iran), Cush (most likely modern day Sudan), Put (Libya and possibly Algeria and Tunisia), and two regions that lie within modern day Turkey (Gomer and Bethtogarmah). There is no mention of the nations that share a common border with Israel — namely, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Gaza.


    Why are the nations located next to Israel not mentioned as allies of Russia? I believe the best explanation of this mystery is the one supplied by Bill Salus in his book, Isralestine. He proposes that the next end time prophetic war will be the one described in Psalm 83, a war between Israel and its neighbors. He believes this war will produce the conditions that are necessary for the war of Ezekiel 38 and 39, and I agree with that conclusion.
    With that point clarified, let's now take an overview of the end time prophetic wars in their likely chronological sequence.
    1) The War of Extermination — Psalm 83

    The psalm states that the immediate neighbors of Israel will launch a war for the purpose of "wiping out Israel as a nation" (verse 4). The nations described as being a part of this nefarious effort are those with a common border with Israel today (verses 6-. The rest of the psalm is a prayer for the victory of Israel (verses 9-1.
    The outcome of the war is not stated, but we know from other scriptures that Israel will be victorious. For example, in Zechariah 12:6 we are told that in the end times Israel will be like "a firepot among pieces of wood and a flaming torch among sheaves, so they will consume on the right hand and on the left all the surrounding peoples..." Also, in Amos 9:15 we are told that once the Jews are re-established in their land, "they will not again be rooted out from their land."
    Bill Salus believes this war will result in an overwhelming victory for Israel, resulting in great territorial expansion and enhanced national resources. It will also produce the security spoken of in Ezekiel 38.

    Read more @http://www.lamblion.com/articles/articles_tribulation1.php
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    This map better shows the circle of Arab countries immediately surrounding Israel and some of the Gog/Magog coalition that follows Psalm 83.

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    Be funny if it happened in the United States instead, huh?

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    I don't know that I would think it was funny as in ha ha ha as I live in the U.S., but I think that it may happen. Hope not though.

    This is perhaps a tangent, then again maybe not. The War Scroll found with the Dead Sea scrolls has some interesting prophecies in it. Brad Scott does a very thorough teaching on it, but I have not had the chance to listen to it all the way through. Always interruptions. If I am not mistaken. I think it was saying that Israel would go through 40 years of war! Perhaps someone else knows more.

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    I love Gog/magog discussions!

    Mrs S., I had not heard of the War Scrolls or Brad Scott. When I Ixquicked Mr. Scott, I was taken to this link http://www.pfrs.org/jewish/hr11.html


    which put me here Hebrew Roots
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    where much of Mr. Scott's work is cited at the bottom. So, Brad Scott is an HRM teacher?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    So, Brad Scott is an HRM teacher?
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michigreg View Post
    Be funny if it happened in the United States instead, huh?
    Not sure funny would be the right word. Maybe amusing in the sense of irony sort of way. Almost every one of these people that try to interpret prophecy have misidentified the players.

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    Yes, he is HRM. He is also very knowledgeable of the Hebrew language. On the teaching of the War Scrolls, I think he just goes line by line saying what it says. Anyway, I was not pushing an agenda, I just thought it was pertinant to the topic. No offense intended.

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    Excellent discussion Ross. I think that the ideas you present are certainly worthy investigating.

    I have always thought too that the problem with the scenario was the living in peace and unwalled villages thing. Many people have tried to work around that by claiming that it was about the US or GB rather than Israel. That clearly does not work.

    Is is possible that the AntiChrist comes in first and brings the 'peace' that causes Israel to live in a false sense of peace and take down their walls; lands are divided to create an Arab Caliphate; and then the Eze war begins?

    Where does the destruction of Damascus fit into all of this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    Excellent discussion Ross. I think that the ideas you present are certainly worthy investigating.

    I have always thought too that the problem with the scenario was the living in peace and unwalled villages thing. Many people have tried to work around that by claiming that it was about the US or GB rather than Israel. That clearly does not work.

    Is is possible that the AntiChrist comes in first and brings the 'peace' that causes Israel to live in a false sense of peace and take down their walls; lands are divided to create an Arab Caliphate; and then the Eze war begins?

    Where does the destruction of Damascus fit into all of this?
    Emily,

    The current turmoil in the ME includes the players in the Psalm 83 war so I think the outcome (Israel wins hands down) would certainly give Israel the feeling of safety (unwalled villages) and would give Israel much booty if they took a tack different from what the US normally does i.e. to the victor belongs the spoils. These spoils would account for, at least part of, the prize referenced in the Gog/Magog war.

    Syria is a bordering state and would be a prime candidate for a mushroom cloud during this war.
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