Taboo subject...Romans 1

[Zippin' with Grace]

Whatever. I'm sorry that honest questions like the one you copied above provoke you to call me names.

What name did I call you, pray tell?

[TheAnonymousCoward]

What name did I call you, pray tell?

A troll of course, just two posts ago.

[Zippin' with Grace]

A troll of course, just two posts ago.

I'm sorry....I didn't realize that word was so offensive. I shall refrain from using it.

[Carol]

Yes I believe that grace and YAHshua's blood brings salvation. I also have a great love and respect for ALL of Yah's word. Besides who would want to do such a thing??? No body in their right mind. Yucky and disgusting comes to mind. Two people drunk might do such a thing. The act would still be unrighteous due to their drinking and state of mind. (I didn't say they were going to hell--I said UNrighteous act) Only One was found worthy to judge. We can judge a situation according to His word...but only YAHshua decides who enters in and who doesn't. Again I say yucky!!!

[grampster]

The OP was about Romans 1:24-27 which is a fairly clear instruction that homosexual sex is wrong with an afterthought post from the OT regarding some of the health issue rules (regarding sex) spelled out by the LORD to those stone age people of the OT. They were not modern humans.

I think a lot of folks fail to grasp that they were primitive people. So many of the OT rules were meant to begin to civilize those folks in my view. That those rules were from the LORD is well understood (then and now) and failure to keep them had serious ramifications. So do violating some of the admonitions in the NT. Would not a good FATHER provide good advice about the best way to go about living? My earthly father was stern in my raising and I was at times in the raising of my sons and g'sons. Violating rules for good living always have ramifications. I and mine learned the hard way often enough. Many modern and ancient people don't and didn't get it.

So then the thread goes 7 pages of BS arguing. Sometimes I really wonder about folks here. Can't see the forest for the trees comes to mind...or straining at gnats...or something about planks and eyes, inter alia.

[clearvoice]

The OP was about Romans 1:24-27 which is a fairly clear instruction that homosexual sex is wrong with an afterthought post from the OT regarding some of the health issue rules (regarding sex) spelled out by the LORD to those stone age people of the OT. They were not modern humans.

I think a lot of folks fail to grasp that they were primitive people. So many of the OT rules were meant to begin to civilize those folks in my view. That those rules were from the LORD is well understood (then and now) and failure to keep them had serious ramifications. So do violating some of the admonitions in the NT. Would not a good FATHER provide good advice about the best way to go about living? My earthly father was stern in my raising and I was at times in the raising of my sons and g'sons. Violating rules for good living always have ramifications. I and mine learned the hard way often enough. Many modern and ancient people don't and didn't get it.

So then the thread goes 7 pages of BS arguing. Sometimes I really wonder about folks here. Can't see the forest for the trees comes to mind...or straining at gnats...or something about planks and eyes, inter alia.

Humans are no different today... wow sir , forgive me but to say "stone age people of the OT" you really are naive to think modern society is any different.


And to think today , The same abominations are quite visible , and very near and dear to the hearts of many sinners, even encouraged by the progressive "tolerant" people.

I suppose your view of the Torah is no different , that Torah is an archaic set of obsolete rules ... and this is perhaps telling of how far we are removed from true Holiness.


<< 1 John 3:4 >>

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


The condition of the world before Messiah returns ...


<< Matthew 24:11 >>

English Standard Version (©2001)
And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.

<< Matthew 24:12 >>

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold.

You cannot separate Torah from Messiah .


What a frightful view you have .. how perplexing, "Stone Age" incredible!

[grampster]

Only frightful due to the fact you completely misunderstood my comments. As such, you are trapped in the arguing rather than understanding the OP.

Scripture is and the Word is timeless. The Truth is immutable. The Truth never changes. It is what It is and was and will be. It is applicable at all times. Humans need to mold themselves to the Truth, not remold the Truth into something suitable to particular circumstance or misunderstanding.

But there is always context. What do you suppose would be the view of a herdsman of 200 BC plucked out of his time and place and put in any large city in the world of today? I suppose he'd think he was surrounded by demons. (He might be correct) One of the faults of modern day people, no matter when that "modern" day is or was, is to assume that all cultures at all times are identical and the context is static. That misunderstanding has caused much strife and miscommunication, and serves to block the Truth. Many would understand who might be the father of that. You may have noticed that some cultures that don't have the Word are not much changed from stone age tribal cultures. The Word prepares us as well as saves us.

The OP, imho, was about Truth and how it has become distorted, rejected, ignored, mocked etc etc., and further, that it was dicey talking about the Truth of Romans 1:24-27. It appeared to me that the OT reference had the same viewpoint, but was in a different context; a tribalist time, pre-Messiah. A time of preparation.

Yes humans are the same. But we are also different insofar as the circumstances we find ourselves, culturally and in time. There is nothing changed in Scripture. Jesus Himself said that it was not, even a jot. It applies equally at all times, but shaped so that we may come to be brought into the light because of it no matter when. But all things are fulfilled in Him as He has said, and we need to keep our eye on Him, Who is the Word, then, now and in the future.

Do you not accept the NT? If you do, then you should understand that the NT is the fulfillment of the OT. OT is not changed, just fulfilled. There is a difference between fulfilled and changed. Why is that such a stumbling block? But then, He said He would be a stumbling block and that He would divide even families. So it is not surprising that some are still wandering in the desert.

Please forgive my following example as being oversimplistic and that it perhaps even might offend some. The OT is like an auto assembly line; a process full of the proper way it is to work in order to fulfill the object it is intended to produce. The NT is the completed product. Nothing has changed except that the job is now done.

Now each of us must conform ourselves as redeemed individuals, to the Truth and the Light and the Way. Jesus, Messiah, said "It is finished". The assembly line is complete and we are the finished product, a product of His sacrifice, life, death, resurrection and bringing of the light into the world. We should now live as finished products. Yes, we need maintenance but we still are complete. Perhaps that is the hardest part of living as redeemed; that we believe that we are redeemed regardless of the occasional flat tire or blown hose. But each of us has gifts and those gifts are not all the same, as a Chevy is not a Cadillac. We do have the one feature we all have been given, which is Love. So maybe we should act in Love, not strife and argument.

[jimmythebee]

Galatians 3:10-13 -- For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.

i'm not a bible scholar and i don't follow the law,the above says it is a curse.

[natty threads]

The OP was about Romans 1:24-27 which is a fairly clear instruction that homosexual sex is wrong with an afterthought post from the OT regarding some of the health issue rules (regarding sex) spelled out by the LORD to those stone age people of the OT. They were not modern humans.

I think a lot of folks fail to grasp that they were primitive people. So many of the OT rules were meant to begin to civilize those folks in my view. That those rules were from the LORD is well understood (then and now) and failure to keep them had serious ramifications. So do violating some of the admonitions in the NT. Would not a good FATHER provide good advice about the best way to go about living? My earthly father was stern in my raising and I was at times in the raising of my sons and g'sons. Violating rules for good living always have ramifications. I and mine learned the hard way often enough. Many modern and ancient people don't and didn't get it.

So then the thread goes 7 pages of BS arguing. Sometimes I really wonder about folks here. Can't see the forest for the trees comes to mind...or straining at gnats...or something about planks and eyes, inter alia.

They were NOT "primitive" or "stone age."

The Exodus occurred during the BRONZE Age-

They had reading, writing, cities with running water and indoor facilities, an intensely accurate system of math and physics and were able to construct monuments that have lasted through today and which we neither can construct ourselves nor determine how they were constructed.

NOT primitive.
NOT stone age.

[natty threads]

Solomon's Temple held nearly ONE MILLION people AND had underground lavatory facilities WITH running water.