Your opinions on baptizing at home.

[Theresej]

Nah. You answer first.

It's really hard to answer if I don't have a frame of reference.

The reason I am asking for that frame of reference is so I can more intelligently address the question.

I am asking as your question was confusing. There was nothing in what I posted about Pope Aliexander VI that dealt with the question of infalliblity at all.

It dealt with peccability . .not fallibility. The Church has never taught that the Pope is impeccable - ie sinless.


Did you think infalliblity means sinlessness?

[RossLunch]

It's really hard to answer if I don't have a frame of reference.

The reason I am asking for that frame of reference is so I can more intelligently address the question.

I am asking as your question was confusing. There was nothing in what I posted about Pope Aliexander VI that dealt with the question of infalliblity at all.

It dealt with peccability . .not fallibility. The Church has never taught that the Pope is impeccable - ie sinless.


Did you think infalliblity means sinlessness?

Go back and read the highlighted portion of post 140.

[Theresej]

Go back and read the highlighted portion of post 140.

Look Ross, there is nothing in there about Catholic teaching. Papal infalliblity only applies to the teaching of the Chuch in very limited circumstaces.

It does not at all apply to the personal actions .

Definition of infallliblity:

In the Vatican definition infallibility (whether of the Church at large or of the pope) is affirmed only in regard to doctrines of faith or morals

Definition of doctrine:

1. A belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party, or other group.

Definition of impeccability:

not liable to sin; incapable of sin.

You highlighted:

Regardless, the personal failings of any Pope do not make or change Church teaching, or break the Church or the Office of the Chair of Peter. Just as someone sitting in the office of the president of the United States might be a criminal, that does not invalidate the Office of President itself. It means someone corrupt is occupying it at that moment.

There was nothing about infalliblity there at all. Personal failings - ie sins - are in regards to personal actions, deeds . . peccability only.


Hope that helps to clear up your misunderstanding.

[RossLunch]

Look Ross, there is nothing in there about Catholic teaching. Papal infalliblity only applies to the teaching of the Chuch in very limited circumstaces.

It does not at all apply to the personal actions .

Definition of infallliblity:

In the Vatican definition infallibility (whether of the Church at large or of the pope) is affirmed only in regard to doctrines of faith or morals

Definition of doctrine:

1. A belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party, or other group.

Definition of impeccability:

not liable to sin; incapable of sin.

You highlighted:

Regardless, the personal failings of any Pope do not make or change Church teaching, or break the Church or the Office of the Chair of Peter. Just as someone sitting in the office of the president of the United States might be a criminal, that does not invalidate the Office of President itself. It means someone corrupt is occupying it at that moment.

There was nothing about infalliblity there at all. Personal failings - ie sins - are in regards to personal actions, deeds . . peccability only.


Hope that helps to clear up your misunderstanding.

ThereseJ I don't know Catholic teaching, doctrine nor nuance and I don't need to. I do firmly believe this; anyone who is a Christian can be saved regardless of their denomination and sometimes in spite of their denomination.

[Theresej]

I do firmly believe this; anyone who is a Christian can be saved regardless of their denomination and sometimes in spite of their denomination.

I totally agree. :)

[Fisheater]

Here is an example of a infallible proclamation ...

The apostolic letter of John Paul II Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, where the Great Pontiff declares that the Church has no authority to grant priestly ordination to women.

In a Dubium et Responsum, the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect says:

This teaching requires definitive assent, since, founded on the written Word of God, and from the beginning constantly preserved and applied in the Tradition of the Church, it has been set forth infallibly by the ordinary and universal Magisterium (cf. Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church Lumen Gentium 25. 2). Thus, in the present circumstances, the Roman Pontiff, exercising his proper office of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32), has handed on this same teaching by a formal declaration, explicitly stating what is to be held always, everywhere, and by all, as belonging to the deposit of the faith.

The then-Prefect bases his decision on the following statement within Ordinatio Sacerdotalis:

Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.

[Melodious Musician]

Sadly, I think this is another one for The Cemetery.