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    Not me. We may have hijacked it, and that's fun. But I've certainly been edified by reading your responses. I have things rattling around in my head because of my journey. I enjoy writing them down and then having someone explain to me what I've written and if they make sense. Sometimes I don't even understand the meaning of what is rattling around in there. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiskey Reb View Post


    Summed up, not replaced.
    Love does sum up the law. So if we love God and others above self, we fulfill the law.

    The 'law' as given to Moses was giving them a measure but love is the law complete.

    Luke 10:26 "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" 27 He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"
    28 "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

    "The entire law is summed up in a single command: Love your neighbor as yourself" (Galatians 5:14). "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." Gal 5:23

    What is Love? Really

    There is a misconception that for a Christian to be right with God that they need to follow a list of rules, but the Lord's instructions is to Love others and Love God.

    I believe that the real debate is about the definition of love.

    Does a man tell his betrothed on their wedding night – here is a list of rules and if you follow them we will be fine? No – if they love each other – no list of rules in necessary, but through their love, they will fulfill all that is considered the behavior of one who loves.

    Love is not based on a list of rules but a list of rules can be easily followed with the heart of love.

    The first four commandments are about loving God
    1. You shall have no other Gods before me.
    1. Love is loyal – have no other before me
    2. You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.
    2.Love is Faithful – make no possession that you put between you and I.
    3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
    3. Love is reverent and respectful – do not speak against me.
    4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.
    4. Love takes time for one another – the Sabbath – a special day to spend together But Jesus said to pray unceasingly and as we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit every day is our rest in Him and every day should be spent with Him throughout our everyday lives. But remember to take a special time alone and away from the care of this world. Jesus also said that the law was not made for God but was made for man. Mark 2:27
    Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Romans 14:5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

    The remainder are about loving others. If you love someone you are not going to commit adultery against them or kill them. If you love someone you shouldn’t have to be looking elsewhere and coveting what they have but should want to give them whatever they need to support their life and happiness.

    5. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
    5. Love is respectful – bows to authority – respects those worthy of respect.
    6. You shall not murder.
    6. Love protects Life – it doesn’t take it
    7. You shall not commit adultery.
    7. Love is pure – it lives to exalt one another not cause hurt or harm
    8. You shall not steal.
    8. Love is unselfish – it doesn’t take – it gives
    9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
    9. Love is truthful – there is no reason to lie
    10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s."
    10. Love is content - it does not wish for anything more to be happy

    If we love God then these are as natural as breathing – they are not rules – they are the result of love.
    So – if we love God and love others – we fulfill the law.


    Matthew 22
    36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
    'A person with an experience is never at the mercy of a person with an argument,'" writes von Campe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    Love is not based on a list of rules but a list of rules can be easily followed with the heart of love.
    Indeed! Torah written upon the heart...the New Covenant!



    Ask Him to write His Torah on your heart...He will!

    Isa 24:4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.

    Isa 24:5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the TORAH, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

    Isa 24:6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Swearengen View Post
    Indeed! Torah written upon the heart...the New Covenant!



    Ask Him to write His Torah on your heart...He will!


    I am already saved by the blood of Christ and indwelt by His Holy Spirit. I am spirit led.

    The New Covenant is written in His blood to a NEW CREATION who are take up their cross, follow Him to die to self and be born again.

    John 3:3
    In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."


    Matthew 16:24
    Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

    Galatians 2:20
    I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

    Romans 8:1
    [ Life Through the Spirit ] Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

    Romans 8:2
    because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

    Romans 6
    3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

    1 Peter 1:23
    For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

    2 Corinthians 5:17
    Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

    Hebrews 8:13
    By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

    2 Cor 3
    7 [The Greater Glory of the New Covenant ] Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was.

    2 Cor 3
    12 Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
    'A person with an experience is never at the mercy of a person with an argument,'" writes von Campe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post

    The New Covenant is written in His blood to a NEW CREATION who are take up their cross, follow Him to die to self and be born again.
    YES! To walk as He walked! Torah written on the hearts and not fleshly table of stone...the letter killeth, but the Spirit giveth life!

    Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my TORAH in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    HalleluYAH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    Love does sum up the law. So if we love God and others above self, we fulfill the law.

    All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
    That's how my professor summed it up Thursday night regarding the Law...."if you can't adhere to ALL the laws, then at least pay attention to the first commandment and second commandment of Matthew 22:37-39...and if you can't remember those just remember to love."
    We wanted a FIGHTER. We got a fighter in Trump. He will not take anything laying down. Trump or Bust.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    That's how my professor summed it up Thursday night regarding the Law...."if you can't adhere to ALL the laws, then at least pay attention to the first commandment and second commandment of Matthew 22:37-39...and if you can't remember those just remember to love."
    Yeshua made mention of least...as well as greatest as well:

    Mat 5:19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teachthem,the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


    We got 1000 years coming!

    Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the TORAH, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

    Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

    Might as well get a leg-up now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    That's how my professor summed it up Thursday night regarding the Law...."if you can't adhere to ALL the laws, then at least pay attention to the first commandment and second commandment of Matthew 22:37-39...and if you can't remember those just remember to love."

    huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by grampster View Post
    Not me. We may have hijacked it, and that's fun. But I've certainly been edified by reading your responses. I have things rattling around in my head because of my journey. I enjoy writing them down and then having someone explain to me what I've written and if they make sense. Sometimes I don't even understand the meaning of what is rattling around in there. Thank you.
    Thank you.
    But what weapons can you use to dispossess someone who will not accept anything except Holy Scripture interpreted according to his own rules?...Where Lutheranism reigns, learning dies. They seek only two things: good pay and a wife. The gospel offers them the rest — that is, the power of living as they please.

    I understand now how Arius and Tertullian and Wickliff were driven into schism by malicious clergy and wicked monks.

    (Erasmus regarding Luther and the church, 1527, 1529)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    That's how my professor summed it up Thursday night regarding the Law...."if you can't adhere to ALL the laws, then at least pay attention to the first commandment and second commandment of Matthew 22:37-39...and if you can't remember those just remember to love."
    Yes, Jesus said we are to become like little children to enter the kingdom.
    Children trust and love naturally.

    Our eternity is trusted 100% in the work of Christ and we respond with our love for our Lord and others.

    The Gospel is so simple a child can understand it.

    If Adam and Eve had trusted God instead of their own 'wisdom' then the original sin would never have happened.

    Each of us have the same decision and those who are called children of God choose to trust Him and love Him above self.
    When we do that, we are born again a new creation and co-heirs with Christ as He is the second Adam and first of a whole new creation where sin and death no longer have reign.
    'A person with an experience is never at the mercy of a person with an argument,'" writes von Campe

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