Fifty (bible) reasons why the jews are not israel

[The End of Days]

I'm confused. Are you saying that anyone who isn't of Israel is not saved?

And, if the Jews over in Israel are not real Israelites, as you claim, then who are the real ones and how do we find them?

Saved from what? The law of God was given to Israel as a covenant, no others. This is not to say that others needn't kneel to God, their creator, but Christianity is not their religion.

I believe knowing who Israel is, is the topic of this thread.
Only Israel are sons of the living God, the precious elect and chosen generation (race) of God almighty.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Israel, a people, who were no longer a people because they were cast away from the face of God; now reunited with the House of Judah through Jesus the Anointed. Amen.

1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

[Daytonabill0001]

Saved from what? The law of God was given to Israel as a covenant, no others. This is not to say that others needn't kneel to God, their creator, but Christianity is not their religion

Hmm, I guess you haven't been told about the Promise of the Kinsman Redeemer that was given to Adam and Eve... That alone would explain your lack of understanding of why the Father sent Jesus down here;

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

As for your comment about the law being a "covenant", can you tell me what were the conferred benefits that would result in such a covenant with God? All Covenants that God 'cut' with man had provisions that gave man certain rights in exchange for his serving God.

You also said that Christianity is not their religion... If you are going to be successful in your attempts to poison souls and send them, by deception, to Hell, at least make the koolaid a little palatable...

Rom_1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. That means me, I'm a sheep!

Christianity is the religion of being dependent on God through Christ, to the Jew first and also to the Greek (the Golem or the Gentiles)...

I believe knowing who Israel is, is the topic of this thread.
Only Israel are sons of the living God, the precious elect and chosen generation (race) of God almighty.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Knowing who Israel is the topic of this thread, but it was started to cause strife and to be used to disseminate lies and more lies.

First of all you are taking scripture out of context and building a case on it. you will catch only stupid people such as your brainwasher whom you espouse so rabidly...

The scripture you quoted is prefaced in Peter's salutation which is contained in the opening part of the letter, it explains who he is speaking to;

1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

I don't see any other groups of people listed here, these are all gentiles... How do you get the idea that changing the recipients of Peter's letter will get you brownie points with your god?

Christianity is for the Jews first and to the Gentiles... A Jew (or an Israelite) is going straight to Hell unless he does one of two things, one is to live an entire lifespan here on the earth without ever breaking any of the laws given from Moses, which, actually does nothing anyway, because he is still born with the sin nature in him, thanks to Adam. Ergo, straight to Hell he goes...

The only way for a Jew (or an Israelite) to get to heaven is through Jesus who came as the suffering Messiah, who is returning as the King Messiah.

So the scripture from Peter's letter speaks of the church or the Lord's body being the Sons of God and here are some more to back that up...

Joh_1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1Jn_3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

The Jews or Israelites will always be one group of people while the Gentiles will always be another group of people. Now because of Jesus, there is a new group of people, the church of God...

1Co_10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

We all know who the Jews are, we also know who the Gentiles are, but who are the church of God? They have neither a Jewish IDENTITY, nor a Gentile IDENTITY!!!

Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Col_3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.


Stop your lying and explain how you have bought into the lie "the Jews are not Israel"...

@clarity... You in the Christian Identity camp too? Or is it the Jewish replacement theology?

[clarity]

It's because we are sick and tired of refuting and contending for the Truth and verascity of the Holy Scriptures which you guys, time and time again, keep twisting to make the Scriptures say what you want them to say. Sick and tired of it.

I wish you guys had your own room here on the Tree to bore each other to death in. If Housewolf were to give you guys your own room, I promise you that I would never set foot inside of that room.

It should be made that any guests to your room would be allowed to ask questions, but not allowed to argue with your response to those questions directed to you. This way, the stupid can be sucked into your web of deception and help thin out the gene pool.

Why do I say that? It's because of your fellow co-conspirators that have run afoul with the .gov and as a result, they go after your kind.

This would be a headache for Housewolf and he would have to put your room in the members only section to keep prying eyes out and for peace of mind for Housewolf.

Lets face it... You guys are seditious to the cause of Jesus Christ and to the .gov...

You have accused people of lying and twisting Scripture simply because they do not abide by the same doctrine you (and the majority) accept. Now you want people you don't agree with segregated from the rest. You can continue your persecution, but you cannot stop the Truth.

Truth is neither dictated by democracy nor spurious translations of the Bible. Truth is also not dictated by people insecure in their faith that they would rather hide our views in the Cemetery, or in our own hole where no one can read them. If we are so obviously wrong, it should be incredibly easy for you to tear it apart, but you don't because you can't. The evidence supports the Truth.

You repeatedly use the words Jew and Gentile as a support for your doctrine. Is that really Truth? Does the underlying meaning of the words you spout truly support it? No.

The word Jew itself is erroneous. A truncated transliteration of a Latin word that has adapted a modern definition that is not supported in Scripture. The word distinctly means Judean--someone of the nation of Judea or of the culture. The Greek word being Ioudaios, a word rooted from the word Ioudaia which is Judea.

Jew does not mean Israelite or Judahite. This is evident in John 7:1 when Jesus was walking in Galilee to be avoid being killed by the Jews (Judeans). Galillee was the home of Israelites as well, but they weren't seeking to kill Him; only the Judeans were seeking to kill Him, so he avoided Judea.

The word Gentile has got to be the most deceptive of all. It is a completely modern fabrication from the transliteration of the Latin adjective gentilis which means 'of or 'belonging to a nation'. The word replaces two different Greek words in the KJV: Hellen and ethnos. Hellen meaning Greek and ethnos meaning nation. The word ethnos does not mean non-Israelite as can succinctly be seen in John 18:35 when Pilot uses the word in reference to the Jews (Judeans).

There is a repeated contrast of two groups in the New Testament because there are two groups being discussed: the divorced house of Israel and the house of Judah. The Greek and Judean contrast is one of many references to these two groups.

When Paul wrote in Romans 11 of the wild olive tree being grafted onto the 'cultivated' olive tree , he was referring of the rejoining of the houses of Israel and Judah. This was a fulfillment of the two stick prophecy in Ezekiel 37. Throughout the Old Testament olive trees are used to represent Israel such as the olive tree in Jeremiah 11:16, which says, The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

The houses are rejoined now, not later as some would say. This is told in Hebrews 8:8-12 (quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34) which says,

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

...and finished with a new declaration,

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The new covenant is for Israel and Judah and they have been reunited in the Christ.

[Daytonabill0001]

You have accused people of lying and twisting Scripture simply because they do not abide by the same doctrine you (and the majority) accept. Now you want people you don't agree with segregated from the rest. You can continue your persecution, but you cannot stop the Truth.

Truth is neither dictated by democracy nor spurious translations of the Bible. Truth is also not dictated by people insecure in their faith that they would rather hide our views in the Cemetery, or in our own hole where no one can read them. If we are so obviously wrong, it should be incredibly easy for you to tear it apart, but you don't because you can't. The evidence supports the Truth.

You repeatedly use the words Jew and Gentile as a support for your doctrine. Is that really Truth? Does the underlying meaning of the words you spout truly support it? No.

The word Jew itself is erroneous. A truncated transliteration of a Latin word that has adapted a modern definition that is not supported in Scripture. The word distinctly means Judean--someone of the nation of Judea or of the culture. The Greek word being Ioudaios, a word rooted from the word Ioudaia which is Judea.

Jew does not mean Israelite or Judahite. This is evident in John 7:1 when Jesus was walking in Galilee to be avoid being killed by the Jews (Judeans). Galillee was the home of Israelites as well, but they weren't seeking to kill Him; only the Judeans were seeking to kill Him, so he avoided Judea.

The word Gentile has got to be the most deceptive of all. It is a completely modern fabrication from the transliteration of the Latin adjective gentilis which means 'of or 'belonging to a nation'. The word replaces two different Greek words in the KJV: Hellen and ethnos. Hellen meaning Greek and ethnos meaning nation. The word ethnos does not mean non-Israelite as can succinctly be seen in John 18:35 when Pilot uses the word in reference to the Jews (Judeans).

There is a repeated contrast of two groups in the New Testament because there are two groups being discussed: the divorced house of Israel and the house of Judah. The Greek and Judean contrast is one of many references to these two groups.

When Paul wrote in Romans 11 of the wild olive tree being grafted onto the 'cultivated' olive tree , he was referring of the rejoining of the houses of Israel and Judah. This was a fulfillment of the two stick prophecy in Ezekiel 37. Throughout the Old Testament olive trees are used to represent Israel such as the olive tree in Jeremiah 11:16, which says, The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

The houses are rejoined now, not later as some would say. This is told in Hebrews 8:8-12 (quoting Jeremiah 31:31-34) which says,

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

...and finished with a new declaration,

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The new covenant is for Israel and Judah and they have been reunited in the Christ.

Forgive me Clarity, my Lord Jesus did say "Let the tares grow with the wheat"... Let me ask you something, does Jesus confirm the Word in your midst as in;

Mar 16:17 And these attesting signs will accompany those who believe: in My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new languages;
Mar 16:18 They will pick up serpents; and [even] if they drink anything deadly, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will get well.
Mar 16:19 So then the Lord Jesus, after He had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and He sat down at the right hand of God. [Ps. 110:1.]
Mar 16:20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord kept working with them and confirming the message by the attesting signs and miracles that closely accompanied [it]. Amen (so be it).

Well? Does Jesus confirm His Word like that in your midst? Can any of you run out demons? Do people get healed when you lay hands on them? Are you led by the Spirit of God? Have you ever been warned of danger by that small, still voice as you went about in your daily activities? Do you live a lifestyle that is holy, even as He is holy?

Being blind to the truth as is evident in your expositions, I can work the most brilliant responses to your lies and you would fail to see it. Let's face it, Jesus doesn't confirm your message with miracles and signs... That means your truth is not the truth. Sorry, Jesus still confirms His Word even today... The truth as revealed in the Word of God has power, supernatural, Holy Ghost breathed power, I don't see that among your group.

If I'm wrong, show me the evidence where Jesus confirms your message with miracles and signs following...