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    Quote Originally Posted by UpstateStormy View Post
    So you know what Christ's Glorified Body is made of ?
    Yep. And I know what the RCC teaches, and transubstantiation did not exist until 1215. Since history, and words mean things, here you go:

    I would like to define the Roman Catholic doctrine of "transubstantiation," and the vital importance Rome places upon it. In the year 1215A.D. Pope Innocent III decreed the doctrine of transubstantiation. This is the Roman doctrine that states the priest has the ability to perform the miracle of changing the wafer into the body of Jesus Christ for all Catholics to receive as communion. Five years later in 1220A.D. Pope Honorius sanctioned the adoration and or worship of the wafer as doctrine.
    "If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist (communion wafer) are contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ, but says that He is in it only as a sign, or figure or force, let him be anathema." (An exhausted definition of "Anathema" = To be damned and put to death) p.79, Canon 1.

    By the consecration the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is brought about. Under the consecrated species of bread and wine Christ himself, living and glorious, is present in a true, real, and substantial manner: his Body and his Blood, with his soul and his divinity (cf. Council of Trent: DS 1640; 1651). From the Catechism of the Catholic Church.1413

    "Experience teaches that there is no other remedy for the evil, but to put heretics (Protestants) to death; for the (Romish) church proceeded gradually and tried every remedy: at first she merely excommunicated them; afterwards she added a fine; then she banished them; and finally she was constrained to put them to death." -Cardinal Bellarmine famous champion of Romanism cited by Schumucker p. 76

    " 'The church,' says [Martin] Luther, 'has never burned a heretic.' . . I reply that this argument proves not the opinion, but the ignorance or impudence of Luther. Since almost infinite numbers were either burned or otherwise killed, Luther either did not know it, and was therefore ignorant, or if he was not ignorant, he is convicted of impudence and falsehood,--for that heretics were often burned by the [Catholic Church may be proved from many examples."--Robert Bellarmine, Disputationes de Controversiis, Tom. II, Lib. III, cap. XXII, 1628 edition [Bellarmine is one of the most respected Jesuit teachers in the history of the Gregorian University in Rome, the largest Jesuit training school in the world].

    "The church may by Divine right confiscate the property of heretics, imprison their persons, and condemn them to the flames." -Vatican II

    You cannot deny history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coalcracker View Post
    If we substutute the word "Catholic" for the word "Samaritan" in the Gospels, perhaps we will see that the Lord wishes to address and correct our condescending religious prejudices.

    For instance, in the parable of the Good Catholic, we may see the first person who walks by and leaves the man to die as a "born again Christian."

    You say, that's not what the parable teaches, but indeed it is. Those first century Levites were the Evangelical, Bible-believers of their day. Jesus would've perhaps sided with their theology, but He did not side with their unkind judgmental attitude toward the Samaritans, a group they viewed as inferior.

    Who was the neighbor to the man?
    Come on, force yourself to say it..."the Catholic."
    Typical symbolism over substance. Touchy feely sounds nice, makes clowns like Benny Hynn and Joel Osteen a lot of money, but it is not sound doctrine.

    2 Timothy 4:2-6 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruckmanite View Post
    Malachi Martin was the one who wrote about this Limner.

    Looks like Emperor Palpatine is going to meet his maker soon.
    Actually, while Malachi Martin did I think TALK about this, HE was not the ORIGINAL one who made the prophecy.

    The original one was a "Saint Malachy", who lived in the 11th century (1091-1148 A.D.), who was the first Irish saint of the Catholic Church.

    His prophecy is as follows:
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    Malachy's Prophecies - The Last 10 Popes
    Known to Catholics as St. Malachy (1094-1148 )

    Born in 1094 A.D. at Armagh, Ireland, Saint Malachy is also known as: Maolmhaodhog ua Morgair; Maol Maedoc; and Malachy O'Morgair. He died as he himself predicted, on November 2, 1148 at Clairvaux, France. Malachy was canonized the first Irish Saint in the Catholic Church by Pope Clement III in 1190 A.D.
    The correspondence between the prophecies of Saint Malachy and the Mayan Calendar (whose 'long count' ends in 2012) are alarming, to put it mildly. Why did the ancient Mayan or pre-Maya choose December 21st, 2012 A.D., as the end of their Long Count calendar?
    Saint Malachy was a 12th century Irish monk, who, while on a visit to Rome had a vision of all the popes who would ever reign. Malachy "saw"-and committed to paper- a series of Latin phrases describing the popes to come. He catalogued each one with an epigrammatic verse, such as 'the tears of the sun'. Malachy made the prophecy in 1139. Reportedly it was entrusted to Pope Innocent II in 1140. But for some reason it was "lost" in the Vatican for 400 years, only to be "discovered" in 1595 A.D. Malachy s predictions reputedly were made in 1139 while he was on a pilgrimage to the Vatican, where he was appointed papal legate for Ireland. On his last trek to the holy see in Rome, in 1148, Malachy accurately predicted the place and time of his own death: Clairvaux, France, on All Souls Day, November 2, of that same year.
    Malachy's Prophecies - The Last 10 Popes
    1. The Burning Fire. PIUS X. 1903-1914. This Pope showed a burning passion for spiritual renewal in the Church.
    2. Religion Laid Waste (Religio Depopulata). BENEDICT XV. 1914-1922. Unfortunately, this was true. During this Pope's reign saw Communism move into Russia where religious life was laid waste, and World War I with the death of millions of Christians who were carnage in Flanders Field and elsewhere.
    3. Unshaken Faith. PIUS XI. 1922-1939. This Pope faced tremendous pressure from fascist and sinister powers in Germany and Italy, but he was an outspoken critic of Communism and Fascism which enraged Hitler.
    4. An Angelic Shepherd. PIUS XII. 1939-1958. This Pope had an affinity for the spiritual world and received visions which have not been made public. Peter Bander says Pius XII "has emerged as one of the great Popes of all time," and he "was in the truest sense of the word an Angelic Pastor to the flock..."
    5. Pastor and Mariner. JOHN XXIII. 1958-1963. " Pastor et Nauta" or "Pastor and sailor". John was a pastor to the world, much beloved, and the Patriarch of Venice. The connection to "mariner" is thus remarkable. According Peter Bander in The Prophecies of Malachy (TAN Books and Publisher, 1969) during the conclave which was to elect John XXIII in 1958, a certain Cardinal from the United States, (Cardinal Spellman of New York) evidently having taken Malachy's forecast that the next pope would be "pastor and mariner" literally, rented a boat, filled it with sheep and sailed up and down the Tiber.
    6. Flower of Flowers. "Flos Florum" PAUL VI. 1963-1978. Paul's coat-of-arms depicts three fleurs-de-lis, corresponding to Malachy's prophecy. His coat of arms included three fleurs-de-lis (iris blossoms). At the popular and controversial site of Garabandal in Spain, a seer named Conchita Gonzalez once noted: “The Blessed Virgin said in 1962 that there will only be two more popes after Paul VI.”
    7. Of the Half Moon. "De Medietate Lanae," or "from the half moon" JOHN PAUL I. 1978-1978. John Paul I was elected Pope on August 26, 1978, when there was a half moon. He reigned 33 days, that is, about one month, when he died, although many think he was murdered. He was the 109th Pope - is "De Medietate Lunae" (Of the Half Moon). The corresponding pope was John Paul I (1978-7, who was born in the diocese of Belluno (beautiful moon) and was baptized Albino Luciani which means white light, such as that given off by the half-moon in Malachy s prophecy. He became pope on August 26, 1978, when the moon appeared exactly half full. It was in its waning phase. He died the following month, soon after an eclipse of the moon.
    8. The Labor of the Sun. 'De Labore Solis', or 'from the toil of the sun'.JOHN PAUL II. 1978-2005

    Pope John Paul II
    Amazingly, Pope John Paul II was the only pope who was both born the day of an eclipse of the sun, and entombed the day the sun was eclipsed.
    One of Malachy's strangest predictions concerned the pope who would follow 'De Medietate Lunae'. He is designated as 'De Labore Solis', or 'from the toil of the sun'. Applied to John Paul II, this phrase reveals nothing less than a double prophecy. John Paul II (Karol Wojtyla), the first non-Italian elected in 456 years, was a native of Krakow, Poland. Krakow is the city where, in the 15th and 16th centuries, Copernicus 'toiled'; for years to prove his heretical theory that the earth revolved around the sun. Many of Malachy s interpreters also suggested that the 'sun' reference indicated a young pope. Fifty-eight years old at the time of his election, John Paul II was the youngest pope in over a century.
    John Paul II was the most traveled Pope in history. He has circled the globe numerous times, preaching to huge audiences everywhere he goes. Even though he was once shot, he has not seemed to slow down. He has recently written a book which has enjoyed a large circulation.
    Like the sun which never ceases to labor and provides light daily, this Pope has been incessant. John Paul compared abortion to the Holocaust and denounced gay marriages as part of 'a new ideology of evil'. He argued that same-sex marriages threaten society by undermining the traditional family.

    Late Pope John Paul II
    John Paul II was born on May 18, 1920. On that date in the morning there was a near total eclipse of the sun over Europe. Prophecy - The 110th Pope is 'De Labore Solis' (Of the Solar Eclipse, or, From the Toil of the Sun). The corresponding pope is John Paul II (1978-2005). Karol Wojtyla (John Paul II) was born on May 18, 1920 during an eclipse of the sun. Like the sun he came out of the East (Poland). Like the sun he has visited countries all around the globe while doing his work. Karol was the first non-Italian pope in 456 years. He was ordained on November 1, 1946 and earned a doctorate in ethics at the Angelicum University in Rome. He was made auxiliary bishop in 1958 and Archbishop in 1964 of Krakow and Cardinal in 1967. He was elected the first Polish pope on October 1978. He spoke eight languages and he traveled more than any other pope in history. John Paul II died at the Vatican on Saturday, April 2, 2005, the same day as a partial eclipse, visible in the Americas.

    John Paul II lying in the Vatican
    John Paul II may also be connected to the revelation of Saint Faustina Kowalska of Poland (quoting Jesus), "I bear a special love for Poland and if she will be obedient to My Will, I will exalt her in might and holiness. From her will come forth the spark that will prepare the world for My final coming" (Diary "Divine Mercy in My Soul").
    Disturbing about Pope John Paul II is that no other Pope in history ever has called for a "New World Order", and this pope waited until he had sat on the Throne of Peter for over 25 years! Why would Pope John Paul II wait for 25 long years before announcing his affinity for the New World Order? A "New World Order" is known in the esoteric realm as "the kingdom of the Christ" -- but thought by many in the Bible as an Antichrist (or Antichrist system). Was it because John Paul was senile or carried away with his own desire for ecumenicalism/friendship?
    Other things John Paul II did while very old were: he also kissed the pagan Qur'an and said that Islam and Christians had the same God. Would the God of the Bible agree to tell the lies about Jesus that Islam does? Islam lies that Jesus never even died on a cross, and Islam also says that Jesus is not divine.
    9. The Glory of the Olive. The Order of St. Benedict has said this Pope will come from their order. It is interesting that Jesus gave his apocalyptic prophecy about the end of time from the Mount of Olives. This Pope will reign during the beginning of the tribulation Jesus spoke of. The 111th prophesy is "Gloria Olivae" (The Glory of the Olive). The Order of Saint Benedict has claimed that this pope will come from their ranks. Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil. Traditionally, the olive branch has been associated with peace, but in both the Old and New Testaments it also serves as an emblem for the Jews. Putting the two together, some commentators believe that the reign of this pope will be a peaceful one during which the prophesied conversion of the Jews will take place. Several ex-Jews are said to be highly placed in the Catholic Church now. And, it is noteworthy that the previous Benedict (XV) was a pope obsessed with peace. Some others say, he will lead all faithful followers of the Lord Jesus to martyrdom and others say that he will tear down the walls of the Vatican, auctioning off all the objects within, in order to feed and enlighten those in the 3rd World who have not yet heard the Gospel of Christ.
    Bible Probe Comment: The Order of Saint Benedict has claimed that this pope will come from their ranks. Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil.
    LOOK at the above again. The next pope will have something to do with OLIVE --not necessarily or even probably a Benedictine.
    Malachy DID NOT prophesize it would be a Benedictine! Someone in the Benedictine Order said they think the next pope will come from the Benedictines. GET THAT STRAIGHT!
    Also, St Benedict prophesized: before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil. NOTHING was mentioned as leading as a pope!
    10. PETER THE ROMAN - The 112th prophesy states: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End." The last pope may just cut Catholics loose from unity and the papacy, causing total disruption and confusion. See Saint Francis of Assissi's 13th century prophecy below. It is believed the next pope will
    Will "The Glory of the Olive" be the last Pope?
    The problem with the prophecies as listed in The Prophecies of St. Malachy, published by the Thomas A. Nelson, a Catholic Publishing House, is that Malachy's original works listed only 111 Popes, not 112, as given in the TAN version of the prophecies. Sometime between the first and subsequent printings the 112th, Petrus Romanus, was added to Malachy's prophecy. It was added after the 1820 publication of the prophecies.
    On April 19th, 2005 Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected Pope Benedict XVI, the 265th Pope. The name Benedict means "blessing". Does this name automatically fulfill this prophecy?
    April 21, 2005 - Mary Jo Anderson, a Catholic scholar and writer, says the Pope's choice of his name is not related to the prophecy of St. Malachy. Instead, she thinks the new pope chose his moniker as a reference to sixth-century St. Benedict and his quest to protect Rome from invading German pagans...claiming the pontiff hopes to protect the modern-day Church from destructive philosophies that originated in Germany. Source:WorldNetDaily
    Of note: Benedict XV — who reigned from 1914 to 1922 — was a moderate following Pius X, who had implemented a sharp crackdown against doctrinal "modernism."
    Will the papacy of this 78 year old pope be short lived? Is this the beginning of Tribulation? Will the next pope be the last pope? Will the next pope be a Roman and choose the name Peter? The Or, will Tribulation begin AFTER the Anti-Christ has shown himself as a person of peace and already made peace with Israel's enemies for seven years? Can we read anything into Putin's recent visit to Israel?
    "King of the North" visits Israel

    Putin reviews Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) 4/28/05
    The first Kremlin leader ever to visit Israel while in office
    Russian and Israeli relations have been strained over Russia's sale of SA-18 shoulder fired rocket launchers to Syria, nuclear technology to Iran, and past & proposed arms and equipment sales to the PA.

    Is this the Pope of Peace (olive)?
    Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger holds olive (palm) branches during Palm Sunday mass in Saint Peter Square at the Vatican March 20, 2005. Many Cardinals also held olive branches that day.
    Malachy's final words:
    In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city (Rome, the seat of the Vatican) will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people.
    It is striking that at least one pope had a similar mystical vision:

    In 1909, while granting an audience, pope Pius X leaned back and closed his eyes. Suddenly he "awoke" and cried out: "What I see is terrifying. Will it be myself? Will it be my successor? What is certain is that the pope will quit Rome, and in leaving the Vatican, he will have to walk over the dead bodies of his priests."
    Pius's prophecy was fulfilled neither in his own time nor in that of the next pontiff. According to Malachy's vision of the Church's "tribulation," it applies to the successor of Gloria Olivae-the next pope but one.

    Some OTHER Similar and Startling Prophecies follow:

    John Bosco (from 40 Dreams of John Bosco)
    St. Bosco narrated his vision on May 30, 1862
    Does this speak of John Paul II?
    John Bosco vividly described visions of turbulent water and persecution: enemy boats attacking the ship as the Pope sought to bring the ship between the two columns (one with a statue of the Virgin, labeled Auxilium Christianorum, or "help of Christians," the second, much taller, with a Host, labeled Salus Credentium, or "salvation of the faithful").
    John Bosco said, "Suddenly the Pope falls gravely wounded. Immediately, those who are with him run to help him and they lift him up. A second time the Pope is struck, he falls again and dies. A shout of victory and joy rings out amongst the enemies; from their ships an unspeakable mockery arises.

    This of course sounds much like John Paul II -- who has promoted both the Eucharist and the Blessed Mother and who just recently established new mysteries of the Rosary, which were followed by an historic encyclical on the Eucharist. Those are certainly "pillars" of the Catholic Church. We must also call to mind the shooting of John Paul II on May 13, 1981, in St. Peter's Square. Or, is this a composite image that could relate to both John Paul II and his immediate predecessor, John Paul I, both of whom were stricken. It may symbolize the way Pope John Paul I came in, served for only 33 days, and then died in 1979 (some believe suspiciously) -- succeeded by the recently deceased John Paul II, who promoted the Blessed Mother and the Eucharist as few pontiffs have.
    No pope in history was more dedicated to the Virgin Mary than John Paul II and he had declared the current year as the “Year of the Eucharist.” So dedicated was the Pope that an "M" for Mary was placed on his casket, and this too circled into the St Faustina revelation. As Cardinal Ratzinger pointed out in his funeral homily Friday, 15 April 05, "the Holy Father found the purest reflection of God's mercy in the Mother of God." Also, Evidence suggests that John Paul II was the Pope spoken of at Fatima. Read "Deception of the Century" about Pope John Paul I's possible murder: here

    Pope John Paul II predicted a new spring time in the church...the Catholic Church may well be on the very threshold of this!

    Does the below dream of John Bosco speak of the new Benedict XVI and his rather quick election?
    John Bosco says,
    "But hardly is the Pontiff dead than another takes his place. The pilots, having met together, have elected the Pope so promptly that the news of the death of the Pope coincides with the news of the election of the successor. The adversaries begin to lose courage."
    "The new Pope, putting the enemy to rout and overcoming every obstacle, guides the ship right up to the two columns and comes to rest between them; he makes it fast with a light chain that hangs from the bow to an anchor of the column on which stands the Host; and with another light chain which hangs from the stern, he fastens it at the opposite end to another anchor hanging from the column on which stands the Immaculate Virgin.
    Saint Hildegard (12th Century)
    The time is coming when princes and peoples will reject the authority of the Pope. Some countries will prefer their own Church rulers to the Pope. The German Empire will be divided.
    Before the comet comes, many nations, the good excepted, will be scourged by want and famine. The great nation in the ocean that is inhabited by people of different tribes and descent will be devastated by earthquake, storm, and tidal wave. It will be divided and, in great part, submerged. That nation will also have many misfortunes at sea and lose its colonies.
    [After the] great Comet, the great nation will be devastated by earthquakes, storms, and great waves of water, causing much want and plagues. The ocean will also flood many other countries, so that all coastal cities will live in fear, with many destroyed.
    All sea coast cities will be fearful, and many of them will be destroyed by tidal waves, and most living creatures will be killed, and even those who escape will die from a horrible disease. For in none of those cities does a person live according to the Laws of God.
    A powerful wind will rise in the North, carrying heavy fog and the densest dust, and it will fill their throats and eyes so that they will cease their butchery and be stricken with a great fear.
    Bishop Christianos Ageda (12th Century)
    In the 20th century there will be wars and fury that will last a long time; whole provinces shall be emptied of their inhabitants, and kingdoms shall be thrown into confusion. In many places the land shall be left untilled, and there shall be great slaughters of the upper class. The right hand of the world shall fear the left, and the north shall prevail over the south.
    Abbot Werdin D'Orante (12th Century)
    The great monarch and the great Pope will precede Antichrist. The nations will be at war for four years and a great part of the world will be destroyed. The Pope will go over the sea carrying the sign of Redemption on his forehead. The great Monarch will come to restore peace and the Pope will share in the victory.
    John of Vitiguerro (13th Century)
    The pope will change his residence and the Church will not be defended for twenty-five months or more because, during all that time there will be no Pope in Rome... After many tribulations, a Pope shall be elected out of those who survived the persecutions.
    Johannes Friede (1204-1257)
    When the great time will come, in which mankind will face its last, hard trial, it will be foreshadowed by striking changes in nature. The alteration between cold and heat will become more intensive, storms will have more catastrophic effects, earthquakes will destroy great regions, and the seas will overflow many lowlands. Not all of it will be the result of natural causes, but mankind will penetrate into the bowels of the earth and will reach into the clouds, gambling with its own existence. Before the powers of destruction will succeed in their design, the universe will be thrown into disorder, and the age of iron will plunge into nothingness.
    When nights will be filled with more intensive cold and days with heat, a new life will begin in nature. The heat means radiation from the earth, the cold the waning light of the sun. Only a few years more and you will become aware that sunlight has grown perceptibly weaker. When even your artificial light will cease to give service, the great event in the heavens will be near.
    St. Vincent Ferrer (14th Century)
    In the days of peace that are to come after the desolation of revolutions and wars, before the end of the world, the Christians will become so lax in their religion that they will refuse to receive the Sacrament of Confirmation, saying, "It is an unnecessary Sacrament."
    John of the Cleft Rock (14th Century)
    Towards the end of the world, tyrants and hostile mobs will rob the Church and the clergy of all their possessions and will afflict and martyr them. Those who heap the most abuse upon them will be held in high esteem. At that time, the Pope with his cardinals will have to flee Rome in tragic circumstances to a place where they will be unknown. The Pope will die a cruel death in his exile. The sufferings of the Church will be much greater than at any previous time in her history. But God will raise a holy Pope, and the Angels will rejoice. Enlightened by God, this man will rebuild almost the whole world through his holiness. He will lead everyone to the true Faith.
    Maria Laach Monastery (16th Century)
    The twentieth century will bring death and destruction, apostasy from the Church, discord in families, cities and governments; it will be the century of three great wars with intervals of a few decades. They will become ever more devastating and bloody and will lay in ruins not only Germany, but finally all countries of East and West. After a terrible defeat of Germany will follow the next great war. There will be no bread for people anymore and no fodder for animals. Poisonous clouds, manufactured by human hands, will sink down and exterminate everything. The human mind will be seized by insanity.
    Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser (17th Century)
    The fifth period of the Church, which began circa 1520, will end with the arrival of the holy Pope and of the powerful Monarch who is called "Help From God" because he will restore everything. The fifth period is one of affliction, desolation, humiliation, and poverty for the Church. Jesus Christ will purify His people through cruel wars, famines, plagues, epidemics, and other horrible calamities. He will also afflict and weaken the Latin Church with many heresies. It is a period of defections, calamities and exterminations. Those Christians who survive the sword, plague and famines, will be few on earth.
    During this period, many men will abuse of the freedom of conscience conceded to them. It is of such men that Jude the Apostle spoke when he said, "These men blaspheme whatever they do not understand; and they corrupt whatever they know naturally as irrational animals do." They will ridicule Christian simplicity; they will call it folly and nonsense, but they will have the highest regard for advanced knowledge, and for the skill by which the axioms of law, the precepts of morality, the Holy Canons and religious dogmas are clouded by senseless questions and elaborate arguments.
    These are the evil times, a century full of dangers and calamities. Heresy is everywhere, and the followers of heresy are in power almost everywhere. but God will permit a great evil against His Church: Heretics and tyrants will come suddenly and unexpectedly; they will break into the Church. They will enter Italy and lay Rome waste; they will burn down churches and destroy everything.
    Venerable Mary of Agreda (17th Century)
    It was revealed to me that through the intercession of the Mother of God, all heresies will disappear. This victory over heresies has been reserved by Christ for His Blessed Mother... Before the Second Coming of Christ, Mary must, more than ever, shine in mercy, might and grace in order to bring unbelievers into the Catholic Faith.
    Sister Marianne de Jesus Torres (17th Century)
    The most Holy Trinity confirmed the desire of my Queen, assuring that God will bless all those who, by their support and help, contribute in the making of the Holy Statue, as well as all those who help spread this devotion (to Our Lady of Good Success) throughout the centuries, making known its origin and these apparitions in the 20th century. This will be a time of great corruption of customs. The sacred sacrament of Holy Orders will be ridiculed, oppressed and despised, for in doing this, one scorns and defiles the Church of God, and even God Himself, represented by His priests. The Demon will try to persecute the Ministers of the Lord in every possible way.
    The Ecstatic of Tours (19th Century)
    Before the war breaks out again, food will be scarce and expensive. There will be little work for the workers, and fathers will hear their children crying for food. There will be earthquakes and signs in the sun. Toward the end, darkness will cover the Earth. When everyone believes that peace is ensured, when everyone least expects it, the great happening will begin. Revolution will break out in Italy almost at the same time as in France.
    For some time the Church will be without a Pope.
    Pope Pius IX (187
    Since the whole world is against God and His Church, it is evident that He has reserved the victory over His enemies to Himself. This will be more obvious when it is considered that the root of all our present evils is to be found in the fact that those with talents and vigor crave earthly pleasures, and not only desert God but repudiate Him altogether. Thus it appears they cannot be brought back in any other way except through an act that cannot be ascribed to any secondary agency, and thus all will be forced to look to the supernatural...
    There will come a great wonder, which will fill the world with astonishment. This wonder will be preceded by the triumph of revolution. The church will suffer exceedingly. Her servants and her chieftain will be mocked, scourged, and martyred.
    Saint Francis of Assissi (1226 A.D.)
    Prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi (d. 1226): “There will be an uncanonically elected Pope who will cause a great schism, there will be diverse thoughts preached which will cause many, even those in the different orders to doubt, yea, even agree with those heretics which will cause my Order to divide, then will there be such universal dissensions and persecutions that if those days were not shortened even the elect would be lost.” (Rev. Culleton, The Reign of Antichrist, Tan Books, 1974, p. 130.). Some believe this prophecy referred to the controversy surrounding the election of Pope John XXIII and Cardinal Siri. But it could refer to the next and last pope (Peter the Roman). The last pope may just cut Catholics loose from unity and the papacy, causing total disruption and confusion.
    John Paul II said he saw the ongoing defection John Paul II also believed in the second prophecy of Fatima about the Apostasy coming in the Catholic Church. It is noteworthy that John Paul II appointed 185 of the Cardinals who elected Benedict XVI. It may be that John Paul II took steps to ensure a conservative pope followed him.
    Sister Catherine Emmerick (1823)
    Is this schism? Could Sister Emmerick be referring here to the Novus Ordo (One World Order/Church), whose baneful effects are now so apparent everywhere? Especially in view of what she said in April, 1823:
    "I saw many pastors cherishing dangerous ideas against the Church. . . . I saw among other things. . . the Church under N___________. In all the rooms lay his children (that is, his plans), a full collection of his views. . . . He had set fire to the house, and I with others had to save the goods and convey them to the sheepfold. They built a large, singular, extravagant church which was "to embrace all creeds with equal rights; Evangelicals, Catholics and all denominations, a true communion of the unholy with one shepherd and one flock. There was to be a Pope, a salaried Pope, without possessions. All was made ready, many things finished; but, in place of an altar were only abomination and desolation. Such was the new church to be, and it was for it he had set fire to the old one; but God designed otherwise."

    Anna-Maria Taigi (Blessed) (19th century, Italy)
    Her maiden name was Giannetti. She was born at Siena, Italy, 29 May, 1769; died at Rome, 9 June, 1837. From the time she was 20 years old, until she died at the age of 63, she was accompanied by a mysterious light in which she saw past, present and future events...some relating to struggles among nations; some relating to individual souls.
    • Popes and cardinals have referred to this holy married woman as one of the greatest saints of all time. She was praised by Pope Benedict XV in her beatification on May 20, 1920 as being an exemplary wife and mother amid poor and trying circumstances. She was frequently in ecstasy, worked miracles of healing, read hearts, foretold deaths, and saw visions on the coming of future events. She foretold the first two world wars of this century. Eighteen years after her death, her body remained fresh and in a state of perfect preservation as if it had been just buried the day before. The following is her prophecy on the three days of darkness.
    • "God will send two punishments: one will be in the form of wars, revolutions and other evils; it shall originate on earth. The other will be sent from Heaven. There shall come over the whole earth an intense darkness lasting three days and three nights. Nothing can be seen, and the air will be laden with pestilence which will claim mainly, but not only, the enemies of religion. It will be impossible to use any man-made lighting during this darkness, except blessed candles. He, who out of curiosity, opens his window to look out, or leaves his home, will fall dead on the spot. During these three days, people should remain in their homes, pray the Rosary and beg God for mercy."
    • "All the enemies of the Church, whether known or unknown, will perish over the whole earth during that universal darkness, with the exception of a few whom God will soon convert. The air shall be infected by demons who will appear under all sorts of hideous forms."
    • "Religion shall be persecuted, and priests massacred Churches shall be closed, but only for a short time. The Holy Father shall be obliged to leave Rome." (Yves Dupont, Catholic Prophecy, Tan Books and Publishers, 1973)
    Pope Leo XIII (13th)
    Pope from 1878-1903

    The Vision Of Pope Leo XIII

    October 13, 1884

    Exactly 33 years to the day prior to the great Miracle of the Sun in Fatima, that is, on October 13, 1884, Pope Leo the 13th had a remarkable vision. When the aged Pontiff had finished celebrating Mass in his private Vatican Chapel, attended by a few Cardinals and members of the Vatican staff, he suddenly stopped at the foot of the altar. He stood there for about 10 minutes, as if in a trance, his face ashen white. Then, going immediately from the Chapel to his office, he composed the prayer to St. Michael, with instructions it be said after all Low Masses everywhere. When asked what had happened, he explained that, as he was about to leave the foot of the altar, he suddenly heard voices - two voices, one kind and gentle, the other guttural and harsh. They seemed to come from near the tabernacle. As he listened, he heard the following conversation:

    The guttural voice, the voice of Satan in his pride, boasted to Our Lord:
    "I can destroy your Church."

    The gentle voice of Our Lord:
    "You can? Then go ahead and do so."

    "To do so, I need more time and more power."

    Our Lord:
    "How much time? How much power?

    "75 to 100 years, and a greater power over those
    who will give themselves over to my service."

    Our Lord:
    "You have the time, you will have the power.
    Do with them what you will."

    This happened in 1884. The devil said he needed 75 to 100 years. Well, 75 years from 1884 is 1959. On January 25, 1959, John XXIII publicly summoned the Second Vatican Council.
    The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!

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    Once again the Catholic bashing starts.....

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    Exclamation Please people...

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    why is there such hatred of the catholic church and religion

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    Quote Originally Posted by susan999 View Post
    why is there such hatred of the catholic church and religion
    It is not hatred to point out false doctrine, nor is it incorrect to point out lies, nor is it hatred to quote the founding fathers of the RCC to prove a point about what they believe, what they did, what they taught, AND WHAT THEY WILL DO IN THE FUTURE.

    The Council of Trent decrees were never repealed.

    Hatred, bashing, intolerance are just liberal buzz words for those who cannot contemplate facts they are uncomfortable with, nor can answer them on a doctrinal or scriptural basis.

    Instead of answering a reasonable and honest question about a peculiar doctrine, they cry and whine bashing.

    Say just for giggles, I'm going to start a religion. The great god of this religion is The Ginger Bread Man. Now, to receive your salvation, I dictate back in A.D 1215 that you have to eat the Ginger Bread God based on the my decree alone, not the Holy Book of Betty Crocker Baking.

    The only problem is you can't eat the Ginger Bread God, as he has gone to the great bakery in the sky. But you can go to my sanctioned church, Bakers Square, where the pope/chef can make a chocolate chip cookie, and bless it, and call down the very essence of the Ginger Bread God in the sky, say a few Latin words, and transform the chocolate chip cookie into the literal Ginger Bread God.

    Better yet, the chef/priest gets to consume wine during the spiritual cookie molecular exchange, and then, by his decree, change it into coffee to go with your cookie.

    The best part? You don't take the cookie and coffee, no salvation for you.

    You might say the above is absolute ridiculous.

    But that is exactly what the Babylonian ritual of the Eucharist is.

    A wafer becomes flesh, wine becomes blood, by a ritual given by a man who is very likely a sodomite.

    And you call that hatred? I call that amazing that people cannot see a cult for what it is.

    Feelings trump Scripture every time for those with their undies in a bunch over this.

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    Ah, the happy face of bigotry.

    Gotta just love the parlor-room theologians who feel secure in their righteousness, self anointed doctrinal superiority, their absolute guarantee of eternal salvation because they took part in a wet ritual that supposedly cleansed them of all their past wrongdoings, drone on how they are saved because they merely mouth a phrase, so it must assuredly be so, and have a child-like literal interpretation of a Holy book. They have no concept of literary devices such as allegory, more than likely couldn't even spell the term, lest recognizing it, and am not surprised they spend their day rocking back and forth regurgitating the contents in rote fashion.

    Fundies are no fun because they have to continuously find faults in other's faith to substantiate and exalt their own particular brand.

    Having to do so is indicative of a severe lacking.

    Jesus wept.

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    Hatred, bashing, intolerance are just liberal buzz words for those who cannot contemplate facts they are uncomfortable with, nor can answer them on a doctrinal or scriptural basis.
    I need to add bigotry to that list.

    Gotta just love the parlor-room theologians who feel secure in their righteousness, self anointed doctrinal superiority, their absolute guarantee of eternal salvation because they took part in a wet ritual that supposedly cleansed them of all their past wrongdoings, drone on how they are saved because they merely mouth a phrase, so it must assuredly be so, and have a child-like literal interpretation of a Holy book. They have no concept of literary devices such as allegory, more than likely couldn't even spell the term, lest recognizing it, and am not surprised they spend their day rocking back and forth regurgitating the contents in rote fashion.
    A Knight of Columbus speaks.

    A pompous infidel uses allegory to deny a truth where the Scriptures conflict with church doctrine. For example, the RCC denies the Book of Revelation is a future event, and an allegory for the destruction of Rome in AD 70. In other words, they change the words and literal meanings of passages they are uncomfortable with to fit the church teaching via allegory.

    They don't believe the Bible at all. They believe what they want to believe, and reject what makes them uncomfortable. In short, the RCC has always had church doctrine equal to the Scriptures.

    When challenged with the doctrinal hypocrisy, I've yet to see anyone try and defend the Eucharist via Scriptural background, or the chameleon catholic churches ever changing and evolving proclamations, such as the sinless Mary, when the Scriptures clearly indicate otherwise. It is merely a popish proclamation, and the pavlovian followers obediently accept. For example, mother Theresa said "Let us ask [Mary] to be our Mother, guiding us and protecting us...she is always leading us to Jesus [The Bible doesn't say that!].

    Nowhere in Scripture is it said that Mary leads us to Jesus, and the only command Mary ever gave was in John 2:5 "His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it."

    So when Jesus said ye must be born again, you deny it. When Jesus said call no man on earth your father, you call every priest a father.

    If the pope declared that a high colonic enema was to be a standard ritual performed after the Eucharist, the result would not be "what saith the Scripture" (Rom 4:3), but rather a blind obedience to a declared statement by a ritual leader followed by a mass bend over.

    The problem with the RCC is that the pope, mother teresa, priests, and followers have no assurance of salvation, have no security in salvation, and have to follow a legal church system instead of the simplicity in the completed work of Jesus Christ on the cross.

    Here is a verse no catholic can honestly say he believes simply due to church doctrine.

    1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

    A catholic goes through life without ever knowing he has eternal life. He hopes he has it, tries to follow the 7 sacraments, but at the end, still does not know.

    I would not give a dead horse for faith like that. You don't even know where you go when you die.

    Fundies are no fun because they have to continuously find faults in other's faith to substantiate and exalt their own particular brand.

    Having to do so is indicative of a severe lacking.

    Jesus wept.
    Papists are lots of fun. You get to drink, fornicate, lie, cheat, steal, and it is all forgiven by a priest who by the churches own stats have over 50% of them being sodomites.

    Hebrews 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

    That priest can no longer absolve sin or forgive sin any more than my dog can, and the pleasures of sin are the wages of death.


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    Catholic bash fest I see. The only thing this thread is missing is a burning cross.

    Lots of insecure people.

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