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  1. #41
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    On the edge


    Quote Originally Posted by Thors Hammer View Post
    The "sin that can't be forgiven" is the blasphemy of the Ruach HaKodesh (The Holy Spirit) as it was proclaimed by Yahshua (Jesus). The other are those sins that are not repented of, for as it is written, "REPENT and THEN be baptized for the forgiveness of sin." If one refuses to repent of violations of YHWH's laws and instructions (1 John 3:4), then forgiveness is not obtainable. One must also remember that ALL SIN CEASES at death, for death is the penalty for sin, violation of YHWH's instructions (laws). She has paid and so did Yahshua.

    The teachings of some "earthly" religions about "self-murder" are neither biblical nor correct, and while the destruction of the image of YHWH is not to be taken lightly, YHWH and Yahshua requested a desire for "mercy" to be weightier matters of the Law.

    I would suggest you rest your mind about her taking her own life, for neither your worry nor your sorrow will change anything in that matter, but focus your energy toward living a life obedient to YHWH's instructions. Once this is, then let YHWH and Yahshua handle the rest.
    You said what was on MY heart to say. The part highlighted in red is very much a central issue. In times past, when death was eminent people would often leave the clan/tribe and let the natural elements take care of things.

    Many people have sacrificed their own lives on behalf of the lives of others. Was that sin?

    Y'shuah could have called on legions of angels to protect him from death but he didn't. Was that sin?

    Some people do commit suicide as a result of an utter lack of faith and trust in YHVH. Because THEY can't see how to make their own will change the world and people around them, they simply end the world by ending themselves. THIS is an example of utter selfishness.

    Someone in my life, a family member, attempted suicide twice. She had 6 children who depended on her, but her greatest concern was her lover and HIS attitude. They'd been drinking and for some reason he decided to kill himself with his shot gun. The gun went off and so SHE decided to consume some pills in order to kill HERself. Well, instead of killing himself, he discharged the gun at the sky but she didn't know that.

    The second time she tried was because of her obsession with this same man. I guess he ''didn't love her enough'' this time. In any event, lack of faith/trust in YHVH was an issue as was total selfishness. How were her children supposed to cope with that?

    Attitude counts for a lot. Someone who knows that their death is just weeks/months away, who is already in horrible pain and knows its going to get worse...I just can't see that as sin. Sin is transgression of the Word of YHVH according to John and I've seen nothing in the word to indicate that when death is eminent, you are sinning against YHVH by dying.

    So there are times when suicide IS sin, and times when it isn't. On the other hand, there are people who live entire lifetimes whose end is judgment. What's the difference between this one and the one who defiantly kills himself? In the end, maybe none.

    Ultimately, the one thing we ALL so need to learn and understand is the Lordship, the SOVEREIGNTY of YHVH. We've GOT to come to the realization and understanding that he doesn't owe us a blessed thing. Not even the next breath. He doesn't owe us good health, good food, safe dwelling, fortune, friends, fame and he doesn't even owe us grace.

    It's NOT his job to follow US around looking for every opportunity to bless us one way or another, or seeing to it that we are comfy and happy, or bowing to our will.

    It is however OUR job to do exactly that regarding HIM.

    Life is precious, but it's precious because every morning that we awake from our slumber is a rehearsal for the resurrection, and an opportunity to worship him by serving him in whatever way he has planned for that day. And yet, the word also says that there is a time to die. And it's appointed to humans to die once and after that, the judgment.

    Dear Op, your mother didn't die because she didn't love you. I think she was attempting to spare you, her loved ones, the agony of watching her waste away so that you could grieve and get back to living again. Her time was near, she knew it, and all she did was face it and get it done and over with. That takes courage in my opinion. There are many who seek to avoid death by doing everything they can to fight against it. And yet, there is a time to die so are they rebelling against the word by trying to escape it?

    One thing that angers and frustrates me to no end is false religion, or false religious teaching. So much of it sounds so logical but is so deadly to our spirits. It destroys our trust in our creator and our redeemer. No matter what mistakes we humans make, ultimately YHVH's wisdom rules. Trust that. Your mother's eternal destiny is in HIS hands and isn't a matter of your belief, society's belief systems, religious belief systems...No matter the final outcome, it will be the RIGHT outcome and if you are in HIS will, you will know that and you will be at peace with that.

    Rest friend. YHVH is righteous and his wisdom is without error. It will be OK. Trust HIM and rest.

    ((((((((to all who grieve as a result of someone's suicide)))))))
    As an American you have the right to not believe in guns. You also have the right to not believe in God. But if someone is trying to break into your home, or wants to harm you, the first thing you will do is pick up the phone and call someone with a gun. The second thing you will do is pray that they get there in time. ~Don Moore

  2. #42
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    Jul 2012


    There are facilities that will arrange for you to terminate if you are with a sickness, a cancer or whatever that makes life itself a living hell. You are simply taking yourself out of that. Oregon has these and Belgium also. It is not exactly supported because many people have a problem with it.

    One of my doctors ate his .45 handgun when he decided that a certain stage of Bone Cancer was going to kill him anyway and in great pain that cannot be stopped by medicines. So he pinned his DNR on the coat and finished it. The reason he ate his .45 is because there is a Fatal T which is your brain stem that controls your body's life support. Cut that and you drop like a sack of potatoes dead before you hit the ground.

    It always leaves survivors with questions. And sometimes it is done because the alternative is not living.
    I have decided the Tree is now infested with Trolls intent on destroying anyone who dares talk openly on these forums.

    I will no longer be posting or logging on to the tree. My time is over here.

    Some of you will celebrate. I will not be around to hear of it.

    Good day.

  3. #43
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Sandy Eggo, Khalifornia


    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickHenry2 View Post
    Reb, prayers for you brother, I know this has been hard on you.

    This is why I made the point that suicide is selfish. What it leaves behind is devestating.
    I was helping a group who were training for a century (100) mile bike ride and was talking with an older woman who was a Cancer survivor...she had given us a speech the year before about her treatment and everything else, including the suicide of her son...

    Well, on this day, I was not riding but helping out and Sallee was there with me... A 1/2 mile a way was a statue of a surfer that they call the Cardiff kook...they dress it up in different garb throughout the year. Well, I made a remark about the statue being dressed up with a jersey for Jr Seau - the former Charger who killed himself... Saying that I felt it was unfair to do that due to his actions being selfish and less than a sentence later this woman jumped on me and told me that unless I had been in that situation I should hold my tongue...

    Then she reminded me of her own son who had killed himself, did not offer detail, nor did I ask. Went on about how much pain he had been in (again, not sure if it was mental, or physical pain)... know?

    If a person is "not right" in the head but has a relationship with GOD and has Jesus in their heart where does that lead them?

    How is it different to go about looking for assisted suicide by enlisting LEO's vs self inflicted? Or does it?

    Sorry...these are questions that float around in my mind when I hear of instances like this....

    Lake Rat and Whiskey Reb I am so, so sorry for the pain and loss that you and your families have had to go through... I pray that GOD blesses you with Peace...

    VAXXED from cover up to catastrophe

    CDC lied and more kids died

    Why lie? I AM a thread killer.

    Sun Tzu must have seen babs coming when he put this down in writing: In the practical art of war, the best thing of all is to take the enemies country WHOLE and INTACT. So, too, it is better to recapture an army entire than to destroy it, to capture a regiment or a company than to destroy them...

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