Judge
You may advocate access all that you want. I'm not paying or voting for it. I have gone "Galt" to the best of my ability. I will continue to give alms directly to the truly needy as God directs me.Originally Posted by moonarch
I'd like to see Obamacare disappear. For that manner, I'd like to see Obama disappear, legally, of course.
Esquire
You forget, the poor, have access, better than the middle class in many cases....
Ever heard of Medicaid, Medicare? Huh? So they TAKE away from those programs, in order to create a monster?
The issue is, do we allow forced contracts, under threat of force, for me to pay for the murder of the unborn and the free lifestyle choices of hedonists. The issue is not the poor, or 'women's rights.
The issue is SOCIALISM. Feelings based philosophy. "Awww, those poor people." The poor are always with us. It is the middle class who pay the bills. I will not pay for abortions, or contraceptives. I will not submit to a coerced 'contract'. I will not submit. I will not comply. I will not pay for MURDER and FORNICATION. I will not give up my rights, for anybody elses indolence.
Once 'society' owns your body...they own YOU. You become just an 'economic unit', where we were once proud to be called CITIZEN. Then you must understand, don't ya know, those guns you own are just too much of a RISK with THEIR bodies...
Think down the road, indeed.
Your feelings have been used against your mind. It is the socialist WAY, to use GUILT and ENVY in order to conquer your MIND. If they were to quit screwing up the economy, there WOULD BE JOBS for those poor. But they have locked up the money, and it isn't flowing, except to their buddies and pet projects. Central planning has succeeded, in their Godless agenda. Soon, there will be little left but 'low wage' jobs, look at the numbers. That is their agenda.
AND WE BUY INTO IT. Because in the words of Hosea, "my people are destroyed through a lack of knowledge."
“...—when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors—when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you—when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice—you may know that your society is doomed.”-Ayn Rand
Land Owner
bagpiper
You forget, the poor, have access, better than the middle class in many cases....
Ever heard of Medicaid, Medicare? Huh? So they TAKE away from those programs, in order to create a monster?
I did not say I advocate the new wealth confiscation scheme.
Not all the poor have access, this is a myth perpetrated by the propaganda media. There is very little "middle class" for those under 50 years of age, the bulk is low wagers, admit the illusion of middle class wealth still carries the day in the propaganda media.
The never workers have access, as does everyone over the age of 65, in between it is more or less a lottery or casino game and the house always wins.
The lowest working slaves - 60 Million - have nothing. I'm talking citizens.
The access varies state to state. The state I live in is more than generous. Ask an oncology nurse in a less generous state what kind of medical care someone with cancer and no health insurance gets.
It takes 2-3 years to gain access in most of these cases, and usually the patient succumbs within 2 years.
The issue is, do we allow forced contracts, under threat of force, for me to pay for the murder of the unborn and the free lifestyle choices of hedonists. The issue is not the poor, or 'women's rights.
We already have plenty of forced contracts - the motherS of them all is Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. The extortion begins at birth. The recording is the birth certificate, social security card (you can't leave the hospital without applying for the nose ring), the wedding license, drivers license, etc, etc
Future generations are virtual slaves, so "mission accomplished".
The issue is SOCIALISM. Feelings based philosophy. "Awww, those poor people." The poor are always with us. It is the middle class who pay the bills. I will not pay for abortions, or contraceptives. I will not submit to a coerced 'contract'. I will not submit. I will not comply. I will not pay for MURDER and FORNICATION. I will not give up my rights, for anybody elses indolence.
We already have socialism, have for decades, it just favors certain groups and the groups that enjoy the "socialism", the transfer of wealth, the monies confiscated from the working slaves, do not call it socialism but it clearly is SOCIALISM.
Once 'society' owns your body...they own YOU. You become just an 'economic unit', where we were once proud to be called CITIZEN. Then you must understand, don't ya know, those guns you own are just too much of a RISK with THEIR bodies...
We are already "there" - look around, if you are not considered "valuable" or "vetted" (ie; over a certain age, or other label) you are basically scr**ed. Go to the ghettos or tent and RV cities filled with young to middle aged desperate families. Most of those fortunate to have a part time or low wage job eat and their children eat because of food stamps, fortunately.
Think down the road, indeed.
Your feelings have been used against your mind. It is the socialist WAY, to use GUILT and ENVY in order to conquer your MIND. If they were to quit screwing up the economy, there WOULD BE JOBS for those poor. But they have locked up the money, and it isn't flowing, except to their buddies and pet projects. Central planning has succeeded, in their Godless agenda.
Down the road ? We drove off the cliff 30 years ago. What we have today is Godless - Indeed, a Sick Society.
The casinos are filled, TV preachers "earn" multi millions, Millionaires and Billionaires collect social security and medicare, even get heart transplants, those hearts come almost exclusively from the young - so basically we are eating our young, but no one wants to admit this horrific truth, instead they accuse the young and poor of being stupid, or low class, they are considered worthless, probably just spare parts for the favored.
Where is the bible verse that says that those without wealth - ie; health insurance should suffer and deserve a horrible death ?
AND WE BUY INTO IT. Because in the words of Hosea, "my people are destroyed through a lack of knowledge."
Agree, most everyone is fine with the status quo, with our men and women fighting undeclared wars, with tens of thousands of veteran amputees, coffins carrying young corpses, draped with cheap Chinese made U.S. flags, so long as they get "theirs" - because we all know this is all that matters besides TV and entertainment or counting ones pile of gold.
I believe in the meaning of the Good Samaritan Parable, I believe in picking up used, abused, destroyed and ruined human beings off the streets and caring for them, even if I have to help pay for it and get nothing in return. If this belief makes me godless, then so be it. We will all find out on Judgment Day.
Friendly Reminder - notice the "godly" in this parable valued their wealth more than their fellow man, notice it was the "lowly" who acted and is godly, not the favored "groups" - notice the "lowly" spent his money on a stranger, his brother, yet expected nothing in return, notice the word Mercy, think of the meaning:
Luke 10:25-37
New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Good Samaritan
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”
30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”
Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
Last edited by moonarch; 03-25-2012 at 02:20 PM.
Land Owner
Unfortunately, the brilliance of the writing does not guarantee the agreement of the Judges. I hope, however, that in this case it will be so.
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Esquire
The poor or anyone else can walk into any emergency room in this country and get free care. It's usually posted on the wall in the waiting room. Why do you think ER's get so damn crowded, moonarch? Because people treat it like an urgent care center.
Story for ya. I had a heart attack in December 2008. I'm sitting in the waiting room, writhing in pain, and everyone else in that room was either coughing, vomiting or sneezing. I had to wait my turn!
The first 24 hours of a heart attack are the most critical to a patient recovery. I was not treated until nearly 48 hours later.
You can walk into an ER, you can get Medicaid. Don't even try to tell me that people in this country are disadvantaged when it comes to health care. I've seen their 'disadvantage' first hand.
"It's fascinating that liberals are allegedly the most competent people in the history of planet Earth, yet they need the rest of us to pay for the sh** they need to live, like birth control." BS, Inc.
Esquire
I agree with everything you said.
However.
You advocate for even MORE of the SAME? Through government and not charity?
When something is given freely from the heart, that is what you are saying...there is a great difference between giving and COVETING.
For the power of government is COVETING, where they and their middlemen, COVET your money, skim the take and drive up costs for everybody. I find it curious, that Social Security was started as INSURANCE, and because the Government SPENT ALL OUR MONEY, it has now been converted into an ENTITLEMENT? BS. We paid for insurance, we PAID FOR IT, for our old age, it is not an ENTITLEMENT. The rest of the programs, are just as you say, but I don't see the CHURCHES STEPPING INTO THE BREACH. NO, I see them feeding Africans, and building mega churches, and doing everything else but...
Just because we have pseudo socialism, does not mean we should endorse more of the same, at the barrel of a gun. This is where the argument for the nice guys fails. You're not being nice anymore, you're not giving to charity, the charity function has largely been seceded to the government, by the CHURCHES, gladly, so they can keep their tithes and do what they WANT to. The good churches are even having their right to feed the homeless taken away, and what do they DO about it? Nothing.
The churches have their priorities all wrong. The gospel has gone into the whole world, and they forgot their other first commission to fight "spiritual wickedness in HIGH places". Instead, they joined with the evil, by taking their tax breaks and their rules. They have largely become a HARLOT that rides the BEAST.
If the government, says they can force a contract, to buy something from a PRIVATE PARTY, that is a BIG difference between that and some social program fed by taxes. But we are brainwashed by the Beast, into denominations and parties, like Iron and Clay, that can never mix. We need to quit drinking the koolaide, restore charity for the poor, and take it away from government. Period.
The 'poor', as has recently been proved, do not WANT a job, they want OBAMA BUCKS. The indolent now reign over your pocket book, and you lay back and take it like good little sheep. Forget it, I don't buy it anymore. God was right, we should have never asked for a King to rule over us. Big mistake.
“...—when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors—when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you—when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice—you may know that your society is doomed.”-Ayn Rand
Esquire
Kagan and other lib eral judges do not "Read the law" they "Make the law".
Merchant
Kozanne: Thank you very much for posting this, it is excellent information.
Reading this was most encouraging: THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE ERASES THE DISTINCTION, LONG ACKNOWLEDGED BY THIS COURT, BETWEEN THE POWER TO REGULATE COMMERCE AND THE POWER TO COMPEL IT ....
....though it remains to be seen how much light will be allowed to shine in the darkness that is o-care.
Thanks again~
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. I Thess. 5:23
Judge
Severability was mentioned above.
I could be wrong but my memory has it that somehow the severability clause was never written into this law.
It is my understanding the lack of a severability clause would strike down the whole law if the SCOTUS rules against the mandate
Plato once said, “Wise men speak because they have something to say. Fools, because they have to say something.”
"Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt." "Men willingly believe what they wish to believe."
Julius Caesar
There's no natural calamity that government can't make worse.
Bill Bonner
Judge
I am not sure about that but I know that they have said that if the mandate is removed, the rest of the law will have to go as they are depending on the mandate to help pay for everything else.
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