The Assassination of Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens

[Seditious]

I'm just wondering, but have you noticed that many of the same people who believe that Benghazi was an inside job refuse to believe that the same could have been true of 9-11?

Very true. I don't believe it was an inside job. I think those true believers that compose the Obama regime believe too much of their own BS and in this case ignored reality at the cost of those men's lives.
A repeated theme every time we have government left of center.

[Usually Curious]

Very true. I don't believe it was an inside job. I think those true believers that compose the Obama regime believe too much of their own BS and in this case ignored reality at the cost of those men's lives.
A repeated theme every time we have government left of center.

What about the Republican lead War on Terror? There's enough blame to go around.

[luvmyvet]

the war on terror commenced after 9/11/01 and there were many Americans in support of it, right or wrong in hindsight.

The Ambassadors and Navy Seal's murders were not done with any support from the people whatsoever and appears to be o's private gun running operation, along with Fast & Furious which caused the deaths of many.

that is a huge difference to me.

[johngaltfla]

John I assume you have seen Matt bracken's essay on Cross Border Authority...

If folk haven't ween it (though I believe it's been posted) I'll happily post it here...

Nope, but would love to read it.

[johngaltfla]

Ahhh, it's called back channel offers....Obozo has a LOT of Muslim back channels he can access....

As does the CIA via Riyadh and other Arab capitals. Like Cairo for instance.

[Seditious]

What about the Republican lead War on Terror? There's enough blame to go around.

The blame for this falls on leftist perfect world thinking. We had just bombed the carp out of that country. Those people were already conditioned to equate the sound of planes with American power. I remain convinced that the sound of planes over Benghazi itself might have broken up or at least disrupted the secondary attack on the annex compound.

Why were no jets launched? Because these people had convinced themselves that this was mild arab spring winds when in fact it was a storm.

[night driver]

Nope, but would love to read it.

Your wish and cetera:

From Matt Bracken:

Did Obama Withhold Cross-Border Authority?

Please help me.
I am trying as hard as I can to get out the word about cross-border authority. I just can't believe reporters don't know enough to ask the right questions! It's infuriating. Libya, as far as standing down the rescue, is 100% Obama's show, and nobody else's. Only he can grant CBA, not Biden, not Panetta, not Dempsey, not Hillary, and certainly not Ham in Germany.


The entire episode is explained perfectly inside the context of not granting CBA. The CIA QRF in Tripoli? No problem, send them on the local Tripoli station chief's say-so. He merely informs up COC that he has done so. CCs them so to speak. "This is what I am doing." Ditto if Predators were in country, no problem using them.

But the big rescue air armada streaming toward Libya right away after the alarm got to Stuttgart and Africom? That has to stop. I believe at the 5pm meeting with Panetta and Biden in the Oval Office, he said, "No outside military intervention," on the basis that the last report was the "lull" from the consulate, at about 1030 p.m. in Benghazi, when the attack appeared to be over and the situation stabilizing.

(As a soft exception, Obama may have authorized sending an unarmed Predator from outside of Libya, but I am thinking the two Predators were already in-country, and hence available to use within “no CBA granted” rules.)

"No outside military intervention" equals "no cross-border authority" and that constitutes "standing orders" until POTUS changes them.Nobody else can “un-decide” the POTUS decree. The rescue air-armada of C-17s, C-130s and SOF helos like MH-47 Chinooks and Pavehawks cannot proceed directly to Libya without CBA being granted, so instead they are all staged at Sigonella, Sicily.

USN ships are in position to "lilypad" helos for long over-water flights. Airborne tankers are coming into position. SOF forces in Sigonella are going over their gear for different contingencies. Fuming all night as officers keep checking in with operational commanders. "Hold in place, no rescue yet. We can't find the President, it sounds like," say the colonels to the majors and captains. 100s of military must know about this. I keep waiting for the conclusive whistle-blowers to come forward BEFORE the election. After won't matter, it will be for the historians.

Panetta is falling on his sword for Obama with his absurd-on-its-face, "The military doesn't do risky things" defense of no rescue. Panetta is destroying his future reputation entirely, to save Obama. The question is why? Loyalty?

Petreaus was probably "used" in some way early, about the supposed CIA intel link to the Mohammed video, and now he feels burned. So he conclusively said via his PAO, "The stand-down order did not come from CIA." Well, what is higher than CIA? Only White House. Obama, nobody else. Petreaus is naming Obama without naming him.

Now, as far as Obama / Huma Abedin / Valerie Jarrett etc actually wanting Ambassador Stevens dead, to terminate the end of the very dirty Libyan arms to Syrian AQ programs, I can't speculate. Obama is not competent enough I'm thinking.

But for sure, the ambassador going to unsecure Benghazi on 9-11 of all days stinks to me of a setup. You can bet Stevens would have told the Turks, "No, 9-11 is not a good day for us," and stayed in Tripoli behind many high and thick walls. For him to go to dangerous Benghazi on 9-11 means the Turks totally insisted, but why would they care about the meeting date, unless they were in on a “hit” as the Judas goat?

Alternatively, ordering Stevens to meet the Turks in Benghazi on 9-11 may have come from down OUR chain of command. Stevens seems to have been wearing two hats as ambassador and CIA arms shipper. Moving between more-secure Tripoli, the Benghazi "consulate," and the CIA "annex." So orders to him might come down the State or the CIA commo channels, or both. I am unclear on his job title and true position, but either the CIA or State sends him final instructions. How this works with “dual-hatted” ambassadors, I haven’t a clue.

But Stevens meeting the Turks at the unsecure Benghazi "consulate" on 9-11 stinks to me of a deliberate setup. The Turks left the meeting and probably flashed their headlights to the attack team commanders lurking in shadows. A coded text, a word on a phone, meaning, "The ambassador is there, with minimal security: proceed with the attack plan."

That is all pure speculation. What I know FOR SURE is that the big "stand down order" issue revolves around granting or withholding cross-border authority.
Every SOF officer and ops officer all the way up has this drummed into his head. We can make Obama respond to this question, even if reporters must shout it at him while he's doing storm
cleanup photo ops. If the reporters KNOW enough to ask the quesion. That's why I am shouting all over the internet about CBA.

I can't believe cross-border authority permission is not one of the top discussion points about Benghazi.

That, and who "set him up" by sending him to Beghazi to meet the Turks on 9-11, with them leaving after dark.

And of course, down the road, was the military rescue-in-progress turned back because Obama actually wanted to make sure the consulate was wiped out? Is that why the spooks at the annex were refused permission to travel the under one mile to intervene? That would connect it all together, but for now, the best focus is on Obama either granting or withholding cross-border authority for the rescue.

Feel free to repost these musings of a long-ago SOF officer anywhere you please.

[johngaltfla]

Thanks ND. That fits perfectly with my thesis. Unfortunately for the non-believers and perpetual skeptics, to cover for a CIA hit team, assembling a mass of radical Islamists is the perfect cover and militias are a dime a dozen over there; dozen bars of gold that is.

[Buick Electra]

In 2008, there was extensive reporting about mysterious donations to the Obama campaign from overseas sources which to this day remain a mystery. In an article from Andrew McCarthy at the National Review (Obama’s Millions in Illegal Foreign Donations) where he quotes Ken Timmerman at Newsmax, the following statement rings true to this election cycle also:

By Obama’s own admission, more than half of his contributions have come from small donors giving $200 or less. But unlike John McCain’s campaign, Obama won’t release the names of these donors.

A Newsmax canvass of disclosed Obama campaign donors shows worrisome anomalies, including outright violations of federal election laws. For example, Obama has numerous donors who have contributed well over the $4,600 federal election limit. Many of these donors have never been contacted by the Obama campaign to refund the excess amounts to them.

And more than 37,000 Obama donations appear to be conversions of foreign currency.

Following the money, I have no doubt a lot of small muslims contributed to his campaign, but I've got a hunch Nadhmi Auchi was behind all of the contributions. Who is Nadhmi Auchi?

Nadhmi Auchi was one of Saddam Hussein’s most able and aggressive arms dealers when he came into my purview about twenty five years ago when I had responsibility for foreign military sales for the U.S. government.

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/s...d.php?t=173067

[tsimitpo]

Here's my take on it:

Stevens went back to Benghazi to be part of the kidnapping and subsequent heroic rescue that was to make Obama look good. I'm sure the White House gave standing orders to not intervene on what they truly believed was to be a kidnapping disguised as an attack - because that's what they had paid their back channels for. I'm sure they considered Stevens to be expendable (because of all the arms running baggage and more) in case the kidnapping went awry.

They probably sat down to watch the feed (they couldn't resist setting this up ahead of time), anticipating it to go a certain way - and when they realized they had been betrayed, I believe they panicked and logistically froze, either leaving the standing orders to remain in effect or repeating the order not to engage.

Or they could be cold-blooded murderers...

Either way, their nature is to hide, distract, or otherwise initiate a refocus (like a monster Frankenstorm).