Tree of Liberty Contributor
Hey buddy, I gave you a very courteous explanation for your rude questions, but I don't appreciate your continued rudeness. I make it a policy not to feed the trolls. You are only the 3rd person I've ever put on IGNORE. Check my join date....that's a very exclusive club. Bye-bye.Originally Posted by JonHorton
IF you are willing & obedient , you shall eat the good of the land: But if you refuse & rebel, You shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Isaiah 1:19, 20
Senator
Agreed...
When that newbie posted this:
" in the case of Protestants and any without a valid priesthood"
he became forever a "skip past 100% of all his posts, every time, forever hence", at the very least on any remotely theological topic. Anyone who confuses the Church for some manmade organization (all of which eventually pass) as opposed to being the body of genuine believers in Christ (which are guaranteed to abide with Him forever) is completely confused theologically. It's as severe a case as the young woman who told me that she was a "Druid Christian". (When I told her that the Ten Commandments clearly precluded that as a possibility, that she was setting herself outside of Christian faith by ascribing ANY allegiance to another god, she became very unhappy with the conversation.)
Land Owner
You should read his thread on Why ask for prayer request.
Sin is not just breaking God’s laws; it is breaking His heart."
--Pastor Adrian Rogers, Founder of Love Worth Finding ministry
Senator
They trolled over the whole Douey Rheims thread and now think they're winning the arguement and have license. Just let them keep burying themselves...it's fun to watch.
But what weapons can you use to dispossess someone who will not accept anything except Holy Scripture interpreted according to his own rules?...Where Lutheranism reigns, learning dies. They seek only two things: good pay and a wife. The gospel offers them the rest — that is, the power of living as they please.
I understand now how Arius and Tertullian and Wickliff were driven into schism by malicious clergy and wicked monks.
(Erasmus regarding Luther and the church, 1527, 1529)
Citizen
Pity, I figured they were legit questions. Please, show me in the Bible where this so-called church's method is found. Laissez-faire Christianity is a modern phenomena.
I deal with facts. It is a fact that the Catholic Church is described by many as a man-made institution but has survived 2k years with the same doctrine. It is a fact that the Methodists, for example, do not even remotely resemble Wesleyan Methodism. It is a fact that Lutherans, with some rare exception, do not at all resemble Martin Luther's Lutheranism. Yet, the Church remains true despite every conceivable upset against Her. Ponder that. Men may fall, but the doctrine stays the same. Even Protestant groups which have had groups splinter off have not themselves remained faithful to their original doctrines. Ponder that.
What is it you hate, untruth or being told you're not in possession of the full truth? There is much animosity which springs forth from the woodwork against the Catholic Church, but yet disparate doctrines, disagreements over important aspects of doctrine, etc. do not elicit the same, if any, response.
Is not untruth damaging? Is everything just a free for all with exception to certain doctrinal foundations? Do we ignore the principles of sound engineering because someone has a foundation and calls sand rock? Do we just let them go off the cliff and out to sea?
A peculiar form of charity is being implemented here. In fact, it's soul-murder because it's heresy.
Senator
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Which doctrine of which faction of the catholic church would you have me ponder? Funny how Pharisaical Judaism also makes the claim that their doctrine hasn't changed in millenia, and they claim that their traditions are the true ones. Nor do they admit that their traditions add to or take away from Torah. Yet, historically, the rcc has added many things to its doctrine over the centuries. There seems to be a real parallel here. One priesthood with fading glory in exchange for another one sounds like a raw deal to me.
I deal with facts. It is a fact that the Catholic Church is described by many as a man-made institution but has survived 2k years with the same doctrine. It is a fact that the Methodists, for example, do not even remotely resemble Wesleyan Methodism. It is a fact that Lutherans, with some rare exception, do not at all resemble Martin Luther's Lutheranism. Yet, the Church remains true despite every conceivable upset against Her. Ponder that. Men may fall, but the doctrine stays the same. Even Protestant groups which have had groups splinter off have not themselves remained faithful to their original doctrines. Ponder that.
What I hate is any system that attempts to place men between God and His people. All those systems look the same...Pharisaical Judaism, Roman catholicism, Mormonism, SDA, satanism, Islam, even much of the reformed churches, all have a wrong unbilical view of what authority looks like. They all think they should look like the levitical priesthood, and they all claim to have replaced Israel.
What is it you hate, untruth or being told you're not in possession of the full truth? There is much animosity which springs forth from the woodwork against the Catholic Church, but yet disparate doctrines, disagreements over important aspects of doctrine, etc. do not elicit the same, if any, response.
It all comes down to which side of Moses one chooses to stand. Go to the foot of Sinai and see what God wanted to establish.
It is not a free for all, it is for God to determine who and what people he calls His elect. It's funny how the roman church started all this confusion by claiming that Torah was nailed to the cross, effectively taking the foundation out from under the true faith, then it blames every one else for the chaos.Is not untruth damaging? Is everything just a free for all with exception to certain doctrinal foundations? Do we ignore the principles of sound engineering because someone has a foundation and calls sand rock? Do we just let them go off the cliff and out to sea?
If you want to discuss another group that has existed from the beginning, how about the ones who the roman church has been murdering in mass every time they pop up in history as a cohesive body well into the reformation era.
Heresy takes many forms. A priesthood that denies the word of God to the individual in order to wield authority for itself...that is soul murder.A peculiar form of charity is being implemented here. In fact, it's soul-murder because it's heresy.
Ponder that.
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But what weapons can you use to dispossess someone who will not accept anything except Holy Scripture interpreted according to his own rules?...Where Lutheranism reigns, learning dies. They seek only two things: good pay and a wife. The gospel offers them the rest — that is, the power of living as they please.
I understand now how Arius and Tertullian and Wickliff were driven into schism by malicious clergy and wicked monks.
(Erasmus regarding Luther and the church, 1527, 1529)
Senator
[quote=JonHorton;2055168]Laissez-faire Christianity is a modern phenomena.
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Just can't resist this one...this may be a modern phenomena, but nimrodic authoritarianism is nothing new at all. The christian version is called Nicolaitanism.
But what weapons can you use to dispossess someone who will not accept anything except Holy Scripture interpreted according to his own rules?...Where Lutheranism reigns, learning dies. They seek only two things: good pay and a wife. The gospel offers them the rest — that is, the power of living as they please.
I understand now how Arius and Tertullian and Wickliff were driven into schism by malicious clergy and wicked monks.
(Erasmus regarding Luther and the church, 1527, 1529)
Land Owner
Ha ha ... The Truth always wins Reb ... People just have to hear it ... Or read it ... Heretics have had a long run on this "Christian" Forum .
Other then your theology Reb ...I love ya . Your living my dream.
Senator
Well, you still haven't done any heavy lifting yet...just click and pastes, so your truth isn't getting out...but then, there's nothing new under the sun god worship.Ha ha ... The Truth always wins Reb ... People just have to hear it ... Or read it ... Heretics have had a long run on this "Christian" Forum .
Other then your theology Reb ...I love ya . Your living my dream.
If you love me, claiming that your religion has been "laying my kind to rest" is a funny way to express it given the history. On the other hand, I would die for you out of love for Yeshua and for you. That is the difference between your system and mine. One is love, the other is assigned authority. It's all a matter of which side of Moses you choose to stand on.
Btw, I'm living my dream too. Resting in YHVH's created order and watching it grow every day in the garden as well as in mine and my childrens hearts.
But what weapons can you use to dispossess someone who will not accept anything except Holy Scripture interpreted according to his own rules?...Where Lutheranism reigns, learning dies. They seek only two things: good pay and a wife. The gospel offers them the rest — that is, the power of living as they please.
I understand now how Arius and Tertullian and Wickliff were driven into schism by malicious clergy and wicked monks.
(Erasmus regarding Luther and the church, 1527, 1529)
Land Owner
Awww Reb ... I am showing you my love ... I love you enough to try and show you the Truth . Because after years of reading your stuff .... I know in my heart that if you would let your pride down ..research what the Church really teaches ... understand Her Liturgy and how Hebrew we are you would be on fire as our new member of the Tree Jon is.
It is so obvious that so many of you have been taught such lies about the Catholic Church ...
And enough of the click and paste digs .... I am but a humble beat up construction worker / fishing guide .... I can build you a house ... I can help you catch fish ... I am humble enough to know that God has raised up men and woman who are smarter then I ... all of these arguments of the Faith have been argued before ... since the reformation and even before .
The beauty of the Catholic Faith is that it has been defined ... for 2000 years .. Great minds have done the heavy lifting ... All I have to do is read and concur. I do not have to reinvent the wheel .... God saw fit to do that for us .
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