Quote Originally Posted by Sojourner View Post
Sorry, JGIG, you said there was a gospel in the OT and a gospel in the NT. That's two gospels.

The lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, remember? THAT's the reality.There was no "OT gospel." The messiah's work was already done before the world began, and the church in the wilderness -- otherwise known as Israel -- heard the same gospel you did.
First, I believe that was a figurative statement as in God's plan was set before the foundation of the world and second, God is outside of time so for Him, time has no relevance, only to us. Before and after are relative terms directly related to the dimension of time.


The reality is believers were saved by faith then, and expected to display the evidence of their faith by obeying the Torah. Just like now.
There was no new creation to be born into so they may have been saved by faith but they had to maintain that faith until they died or they were lost. The same will be true in the great tribulation for believers because the body of Christ, the church, those born again into the new creation will no longer be present and that is why the urging to maintain their faith or be lost. There will be only two choices in the tribulation - worship the beast and take the mark of stand firm in the faith and be beheaded. The scripture says the WHOLE world worshipped the beast.

Elohim is no respecter of persons. Same gospel, same Torah. Same expectations then and now.
The gospel Jesus fulfilled was given in Genesis 3 to Adam and Eve.

The parts Israel played were the people preserved through whom the messiah would come and the keeper of the prophesies. They were also the people God worked through to show the world that He Is Real.

They, unfortunately, were also a very rebellious and prideful people so they needed to be given the written law to keep them from being a lousy witness to the world and God didn't have to keep disciplining them to maintain His glory and deserving of being called the chosen people.

1 Tim 1 and Romans 1 and 2 makes it more than clear that the law was not given to all mankind and it has is purpose.

The law was not given to Adam and Eve and if it were, God would have made it clear in scripture.

There is only one gospel with dispensations according to God's timeline.
That gospel is not what was given to Israel as they lived and Jesus death and resurrection did not just simply end the temple sacrifices. It was far more than that and until you see that, you are only arguing for a new religion supposedly started by Jesus rather than the miraculous new creation that He made possible as the second and last Adam.