How Wonderful is the Gospel

[JGIG]

Amein.

Another area she fumbles horribly on is when she is asked what she repented from. Last time she answered me it was "from trying to establish my own righteousness". Really? THAT's true repentance???

Romans 10:1-4
Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Altemu, true repentance is the changing of one's mind and heart to agree with God - that our attempts at righteousness are repeated acts of NOT submitting to God's Righteousness! We will always fall short (sin/transgression of the Law, for which Christ dealt with totally and forever at the Cross -see 1 John 2:2, Romans 5, Hebrews 10); God never does fall short. God calls us to believe on the One He has sent and to love one another (bear fruit via His Spirit, see Galatians 5); not to establish our own righteous acts via the Law.

Tit 2:14

who gave Himself for us, to redeem us from all lawlessness1 and to cleanse for Himself a people, His own possession, ardent for good works.2Footnotes: 1Lawlessness is a synonym for sin (1 John 3:4), Mt. 1:21, Acts 3:19 & 26, Acts 26:18, Rom. 6:1-22, Eph. 2:1-10, 1 John 3:8, Titus 3:5.2Mt. 16:27.

Tit 2:15 Speak these matters, urge, and reprove1 with all authority. Let no one despise you. Footnote: 1Or confute.

She runs from defining SIN as Scripture defines it. That's when you get a 1000 word treatise of artful dodging and distraction; but never and answer to a simple question.

Gee whiz, Altemu, you left out the context here (shocking that you would do that, really):

Titus 2:11-15
11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, 12 training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

15 Declare these things; exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

For what has appeared to bring salvation? Grace. Law was given to increase transgressions and bring mankind to the end of him/herself.

What trains us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions?

Law?

No.

Grace does.

The Law actually stirs up sin and brings death. Paul said, "But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death." (Romans 7)

Paul also says "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law." (1 Corinthians 15)

Then he goes on to say this: "56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."

But thanks be to God for victory through the Law?

No.

Through our Lord Jesus Christ!

Why?

Because in Him we have His Holy Spirit, and if we are led by His Spirit, we are not under Law (which stirs up sin, is the power of sin, and produces death), and if we are led by His Spirit (His Life in us), He produces His Fruit through us.

That's Grace, and that's what Titus 2 is talking about, not about adhering to the Law (which stirs up sin, is the power of sin, and produces death).

-JGIG

[hunybee]

Oh no? The words of JGIG herself:

lemon, I thought even you knew this:

The Gospel of the OT is that Messiah would come; the Gospel of the NT is that Messiah did come and the ramifications for mankind because of His Work.

-JGIG

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showpost.php?p=4551738&postcount=106



Believing there is a gospel of the OT and a gospel of the NT is error and explains why she has wrong theology in many areas. I only pray people will read the scriptures for themselves and see her errors.










You are making a false accusation. I back up my statements with proof. Where is your proof?


-Sojourner

whoa, whoa, whoa

guys, we are not going to bring arguments from other boards, or call someone out on something from another board, here on this board. discussions from other places should stay there. if everyone wants to have THAT discussion from THAT board, it can happen there.

[FaithfulServant]

Hebrews4:2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.



Same gospel, same Torah, same expectations. Fair, true, beautiful, unchanging.

Jesus made it plain: He kept the torah so that we may have life in the Spirit, we are to follow Him. Following Him means we are aware of the sin in our lives, we confess it daily, and we trust in His power to save us and change us. There is an order to God's ways. If you chose to follow your own order, or the order of some other man, you will end up in error.

John 15
1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.2 Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.3 Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love.10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father'scommandments and abide in his love.
11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.
12 "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.14 You are my friends if you do what I command you.15 No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.17 These things I command you, so that you will love one another.

[FaithfulServant]

In March of 2009, I died. The life I now live is in Christ, a part of a New Spiritual Man. Positionally, I am holy before the sight of Father God because He no longer sees my sins, but He sees Jesus' righteousness upon me as I wear it like a robe. This gives me confidence to go boldly to the throne of grace when I stumble where He teaches me to let go of the things of the flesh and grow in knowledge of Him becoming sanctified as I abide in His Son Jesus. It's pretty awesome, this new covenant, this new way. It's life.

If we wish to remain in this flesh, we will be striving to create a righteousness of our own. This will always be nothing but filthy rags to God. It is the things Jesus Spirit does through us which will endure the test of fire at the Bema Judgment. The things we did when we yielded to His Spirit. These things are always based in love, which is why He commanded us to love one another. They will require us to put our own selfish wants aside in order to lay down our lives for others. We do what we see our Father do, and our Father came down to earth to walk sinless and die for others that we may live.

A seed cannot bear fruit unless it dies. And if it does die, it will bear much fruit. I encourage everyone who has not died to do so. The day you die will be a day of rejoicing, as it will be the first day you live in the Spirit of God.

[Emily]

In March of 2009, I died. The life I now live is in Christ, a part of a New Spiritual Man. Positionally, I am holy before the sight of Father God because He no longer sees my sins, but He sees Jesus' righteousness upon me as I wear it like a robe. This gives me confidence to go boldly to the throne of grace when I stumble where He teaches me to let go of the things of the flesh and grow in knowledge of Him becoming sanctified as I abide in His Son Jesus. It's pretty awesome, this new covenant, this new way. It's life.

If we wish to remain in this flesh, we will be striving to create a righteousness of our own. This will always be nothing but filthy rags to God. It is the things Jesus Spirit does through us which will endure the test of fire at the Bema Judgment. The things we did when we yielded to His Spirit. These things are always based in love, which is why He commanded us to love one another. They will require us to put our own selfish wants aside in order to lay down our lives for others. We do what we see our Father do, and our Father came down to earth to walk sinless and die for others that we may live.

A seed cannot bear fruit unless it dies. And if it does die, it will bear much fruit. I encourage everyone who has not died to do so. The day you die will be a day of rejoicing, as it will be the first day you live in the Spirit of God.

Amen and Amen!

[Shimri]

I will be listening to the link here shortly. I decided to check CCI's statement of faith first, and I am already troubled.

"This saving faith should produce an active lifestyle of loving obedience and service to Jesus our Savior."

I am highly doubtful of this statement. If this were true, you would not have recommended the link.



"The Church
The Church of Jesus Christ is the universal, spiritual body of believers from every tribe, tongue, kindred and race of peoples, and is indwelt by God through the Holy Spirit and divinely empowered to fulfill ministry and her Great Commission on earth."

This is patently false. There is no such thing as 'The Church.'

"The goal of the Church is to make disciples of all nations and to present the saints complete in Christ.".

The Great Commission also says to teach the nations all that He commanded, which is strangely absent here, even though they claim loving obedience to Him.

This is not starting off well, but I will still give it a listen.

[Emily]

Hebrews4:2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.



Same gospel, same Torah, same expectations. Fair, true, beautiful, unchanging.

ROMANS 2

14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

1 TIM 1

Timothy Charged to Oppose False Teachers

3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. 5 The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk. 7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

8We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

[Al Swearengen]

He preaches the Gospel 'full preach', with an appropriate emphasis on Old/New Covenant issues.
-JGIG

Yeshua does 'full preach' Gospel...and oddly for some, before His sacrifice...

Mat_4:23 And יהושע went about all Galil, teaching in their congregations, and proclaiming the Good News of the reign, and healing every disease and every bodily weakness among the people.

Good News from old? Yep!

Heb 4:2 For indeed the Good News was brought to us as well as to them, but the word which they heard did not profit them, not having been mixed with belief in those who heard it.