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    Yeah, this is separation anxiety. What does she do after you leave, though? Do you come home to a trashed house, chewed stuff, "accidents"? Does she howl and bark until you come home? And what do you mean by "throws a fit"?

    This isn't a problem I've had with any dog, mostly because we rarely start with a rescue (although we have), and we just don't go anywhere that often. All the dogs would like to go with me when I go somewhere, but they all accept being told "nope, stay here and guard".

    But my second son and his wife adopted a dog with SEVERE separation anxiety issues- Tucker was so bad that two other adopters gave him back within a week. He would TRASH the house... chew walls, couch cushions, carpets. He is also a hoarder... he would steal a loaf of bread and HIDE it in a chair seat... only to be found weeks later, blue with mold! It took them about two years, but they CAN leave him now (they both work, so they don't have a choice) and not come home to a trashed house.

    For milder cases, simply desensitizing can work... going through SOME of the motions of "leaving for town"... without actually going anywhere... can work. It does take time, though. You put on your coat, grab your keys- and then go watch TV! Or carry the car keys with you (clip them to your belt loop or something), jingle them occasionally... but don't leave.

    It's also vital that you NOT make a big fuss when leaving- or when you first come home. Dogs often interpret our "excitement" as "reason to worry"... spending a lot of time "reassuring" them when you're getting ready to leave gets translated as "this is a BIG deal. I might not come back home again".

    IF the dog settles down within a few minutes of you leaving, it's not a big deal, unless she's getting worse. One thing that quite a few trainers have found really helps is having a "special" toy that you only put out when you're leaving. There are "kong" feeder cubes... specially designed to "reward" a dog which plays with them by releasing individual kibbles. Giving one to the dog JUST as you walk out the door (and then collecting it when you come home and putting it away until next time) can often distract them enough to get "over the hump" of you leaving.

    Playing a radio or leaving the TV on when you leave helps some dogs...

    Crates... crates are great for dogs which were accustomed to them from puppyhood. For adults who never were crate trained... not so much. I love a crate in the house, especially if there are kids... I've been telling the puppy buyers who have children to teach the kids that the crate is the dog's "private place" and they should be left strictly alone when they go in to lie down. Handled correctly, the dog sees it as "home" or a sanctuary.

    If a dog with separation anxiety is trashing the house, a crate may be necessary. But it's important to remember, this behavior is NOT really under the dog's control... it's a version of a panic attack, and one which hasn't ever been accustomed to a crate may go absolutely berserk if locked into a crate and left. NOT a good thing!

    Here is a good article on separation anxiety.
    http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/separation-anxiety-dogs

    One thing that I would try if I had a dog with these issues- the herb called Virginia skullcap. I've only used it on dogs a couple times- for thunderstorm phobia. But it was absolutely amazing how well it worked- we had an old Border Collie/Australian Shepherd mix and as she got older, she got more and more terrified of storms. She wasn't a housedog, and bringing her in the house didn't really help much... she was generally nervous about being inside, on top of the storm.

    But she was getting SO agitated that I was really afraid she'd end up getting hurt or worse (she was about 14 at the time). So I gave her a single capsule of skullcap herb. In 20 minutes- with thunder still booming and lightning flashing everywhere- she was sound asleep under the kitchen table! It was amazing...

    So I would probably try giving her skullcap (the "1 capsule" worked on a 40# dog... you could even open one and put part of it on food if necessary) an hour or so before you need to go somewhere. It *might* just dampen her adrenal responses enough to help.

    Summerthyme

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    is it acceptable to put the dog on a velcro wall to restrain them so as to not be able to mess the house and keep them out of trouble?
    float like a butterfly...

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    is it acceptable to put a child on a velcro wall to restrain them so as to not be able to mess the house and keep them out of trouble?
    float like a butterfly...

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    LOL! Maybe not... but it sure is TEMPTING at times!

    I picked blueberries today... with four puppies "Helping". Every plant is covered with nylon netting... every puppy got stuck/tangled in the netting at least 6 times! Two of the little stinkers decided blueberries were good to eat... they were picking and eating them!

    Velcro sounds like a GOOD idea!

    Summerthyme

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    Thank you, SummerThyme.

    That helps a lot. It's mostly barking and crying when we leave, although she has ripped out several window screens and scratched up the door in an attempt to get out. She's not a chewer, thankfully. There have also been accidents waiting when we get home. We haven't punished her though, because we recognize that it's fear and not acting out. And then of course, she barks and tries to jump up when we come home, but we have been totally ignoring her, and she stops within about 30 seconds.

    I have to assume that she gets over it fairly quickly, because we have been leaving a kong stuffed with goodies, and it's usually empty when we get back. It would help if we left more often, but we we don't.

    I've made skullcap tincture, and will try it on her. Between the skullcap and the vodka, she might not even notice that we've left! Skullcap is one of my favorites, but it never occurred to me that it might work on a dog.

    And those puppies are adorable.

    Thanks again,
    Jen

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    The tincture should work... I'd dilute it in something (milk, or broth maybe?) as it would be awfully strong "straight". Maybe 1-2cc or so in 10 cc's of broth, squirted into her mouth? You'll have to experiment with the dosage... try it when you're going to be home and see how it affects her.

    The value of "medication" (I'll include herbs in that, because I don't really like the idea of Prozac or Valium on dogs, but I do know that SOME dogs can really benefit) is that it can "short circuit" the panic response... which then allows them to think rationally. It's basically impossible to train something that is in an utter panic... sort of like trying to reason with a preschooler who needs some sort of medical treatment. It's just not happening!!

    It might be worth "leaving more often"... even if it means just driving down the block out of sight and then sitting there and reading or surfing on a notebook or something. Start with very short "trips" (5-10 minutes) and extend them as things improve.

    The truth is, there isn't any one "one size fits all" remedy for this- or most training issues. It's the major reason I start with puppies if I have a choice... while that's not foolproof, at the least, you're not left wondering "I wonder what happened before we got him that made him so (fill in the blank)?" It's a LOT easier to prevent problems than fix them!

    Summerthyme

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    Huny, you can make a play tent by draping an old blanket or sheet over two chairs kitchen chairs, facing the opposite ways. Kids and dogs can generally be convinced to play in there while you get some work done. You can pin the "doors" shut with clothespins and add a toy or two.

    If you have outdoor clotheslines, you can build a similar tent with sheets/blankets and clothespins. The kids might make it into a fort, put on puppet shows through a door or "window" or otherwise occupy themselves for awhile. It comes apart quickly at the end of the day.

    Dogs will frequency play and then nap in them.

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