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    West Coast of North America to Be Hit Hard by Fukushima Radiation

    Posted on August 20, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog


    Radiation Levels Will Concentrate in Pockets In Baja California and Other West Coast Locations

    An ocean current called the North Pacific Gyre is bringing Japanese radiation to the West Coast of North America:
    While many people assume that the ocean will dilute the Fukushima radiation, a previously-secret 1955 U.S. government report concluded that the ocean may not adequately dilute radiation from nuclear accidents, and there could be “pockets” and “streams” of highly-concentrated radiation.
    The University of Hawaii’s International Pacific Research Center created a graphic showing the projected dispersion of debris from Japan:

    Last year, scientists from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA) Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory and 3 scientists from the GEOMAR Research Center for Marine Geosciences showed that radiation on the West Coast of North America could end up being 10 times higher than in Japan:
    After 10 years the concentrations become nearly homogeneous over the whole Pacific, with higher values in the east, extending along the North American coast with a maximum (~1 × 10−4) off Baja California.
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    With caution given to the various idealizations (unknown actual oceanic state during release, unknown release area, no biological effects included, see section 3.4), the following conclusions may be drawn. (i) Dilution due to swift horizontal and vertical dispersion in the vicinity of the energetic Kuroshio regime leads to a rapid decrease of radioactivity levels during the first 2 years, with a decline of near-surface peak concentrations to values around 10 Bq m−3 (based on a total input of 10 PBq). The strong lateral dispersion, related to the vigorous eddy fields in the mid-latitude western Pacific, appears significantly under-estimated in the non-eddying (0.5°) model version. (ii) The subsequent pace of dilution is strongly reduced, owing to the eastward advection of the main tracer cloud towards the much less energetic areas of the central and eastern North Pacific. (iii) The magnitude of additional peak radioactivity should drop to values comparable to the pre-Fukushima levels after 6–9 years (i.e. total peak concentrations would then have declined below twice pre-Fukushima levels). (iv) By then the tracer cloud will span almost the entire North Pacific, with peak concentrations off the North American coast an order-of-magnitude higher than in the western Pacific.
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    (“Order-of-magnitude” is a scientific term which means 10 times higher. The “Western Pacific” means Japan’s East Coast.)
    And a team of top Chinese scientists has just published a study in the Science China Earth Sciences journal showing that Fukushima nuclear pollution is becoming more concentrated as it approaches the West Coast of the United States, that the plume crosses the ocean in a nearly straight line toward North America, and that it appears to stay together with little dispersion:
    On March 30, 2011, the Japan Central News Agency reported the monitored radioactive pollutions that were 4000 times higher than the standard level. Whether or not these nuclear pollutants will be transported to the Pacific-neighboring countries through oceanic circulations becomes a world-wide concern.
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    The time scale of the nuclear pollutants reaching the west coast of America is 3.2 years if it is estimated using the surface drifting buoys and 3.9 years if it is estimated using the nuclear pollutant particulate tracers.
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    The half life of cesium-137 is so long that it produces more damage to human. Figure 4 gives the examples of the distribution of the impact strength of Cesium-137 at year 1.5 (panel (a)), year 3.5 (panel (b)), and year 4 (panel (c)).
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    It is worth noting that due to the current near the shore cannot be well reconstructed by the global ocean reanalysis, some nuclear pollutant particulate tracers may come to rest in near shore area, which may result in additional uncertainty in the estimation of the impact strength.
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    Since the major transport mechanism of nuclear pollutants for the west coast of America is the Kuroshio-extension currents, after four years, the impact strength of Cesium-137 in the west coast area of America is as high as 4%.

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    Hardly an absolute number to be found in that blog post. Everything is relative... 100 times higher than an unspecified quantity, 4000 times higher than an unspecified quantity. Pretty graphs without legends.

    That is how they get our hearts pumping without our brains engaging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dissimulo View Post

    That is how they get our hearts pumping without our brains engaging.
    Engaged brains actually ask for FACTS....

    Dangerous thing to do on this subject.
    "I must not fear.
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    I will face my fear.
    I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
    And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
    Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain"
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    Quote Originally Posted by dissimulo View Post
    Hardly an absolute number to be found in that blog post. Everything is relative... 100 times higher than an unspecified quantity, 4000 times higher than an unspecified quantity. Pretty graphs without legends.

    That is how they get our hearts pumping without our brains engaging.

    So where are your articles on this subject? You are always on these threads, calling every report and everyone that fears them ignorant.

    What are your qualifications to keep dissing these reports, are you a well respected scientist like the ones that put their people in full range of Mt. St. Helen because their highly educated brains didn't have a clue what that mountain could really do?

    Really it doesn't matter if you split the atom for we are in uncharted territory on this one and you know it.

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    If the articles don't provide hard numbers and facts, it's not up to others to dig for them! I fully agree with dissimulo... these are stupid scare articles, and the fact that they DON'T provide numbers makes them VERY, very unreliable.

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    Well, all I can say is that if you're waiting for CNN/FOX/MSNBC to tell you what's really going on, you're in for a long wait...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Watcher View Post
    Well, all I can say is that if you're waiting for CNN/FOX/MSNBC to tell you what's really going on, you're in for a long wait...
    this^^^

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    Good grief... no, all we'd like is a REAL scientifically based article which shows ACTUAL NUMBERS... and on a labeled scale...

    Either we have actual scientists running these figures and issuing the warnings.. or else we have scaremongers saying "well, it LOOKS BAD... we think everyone is gonna die"... without any facts (beyond the basic, VERY real problem of Fukushima existing and being destroyed in that tsunami). And so far, the scaremongers seem to be the only ones writing these things.

    ALL they would have to do is include the BASE NUMBERS. It would seem if they aren't just pulling this stuff out of their collective butts, they would do just that...

    (when numbers ARE included, they are proved to be miniscule... so far. I still believe that this is going to be a real problem in the food chain, as the contamination is concentrated in the larger/older animals. But I just don't see this as an ELE)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsPaulRevere View Post
    So where are your articles on this subject? You are always on these threads, calling every report and everyone that fears them ignorant.
    Not every report; just most of them. People who write content for the Internet aren't the slightest bit less self-serving than anyone else. They sell ads, products, peddle influence, and seek to satisfy egos just as much as anyone in the mainstream media. Some of these reports are written by the ignorant, but I think more of them are written by people who are catering to an ignorant and fearful audience in order to sell them stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by MsPaulRevere View Post
    What are your qualifications to keep dissing these reports, are you a well respected scientist like the ones that put their people in full range of Mt. St. Helen because their highly educated brains didn't have a clue what that mountain could really do?
    I can do basic math, have a solid grip on high school level science, and am willing and able to follow citations to original sources. That's it. I have more scientific education than you do, but I am not applying any special techniques that you could not, if you chose to. It seems like you prefer to be wound up and to try wind up other people in turn.

    Quote Originally Posted by MsPaulRevere View Post
    Really it doesn't matter if you split the atom for we are in uncharted territory on this one and you know it.
    Sure. None of us knows what the future holds. But, we can apply existing knowledge to make predictions. We can then check those predictions against actual results to make sure that we aren't operating under an inaccurate model.

    If you want to get meaningful information out of an article on this subject, you should find that it somewhere states how much radiation has been measured, along with how, when, and where. Any article that doesn't provide this is not even attempting to help you frame the problem.
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    I actually agree with everyone here. MPR is absolutely correct, we are in uncharted territory, and reliance on MSM down-playing this is foolish. I mean, why should we suddenly start trusting the MSM now? I think ignoring this or down-playing it by reflex is not wise, because we really don't what is going to happen.

    What reactions are occuring in the corium? We don't know. What is the location of the corium? We don't know. What *is* the corium? We don't know. Is the corium going to hit the water table and redstribute itself via steam explosion? We don't know. How far will the debris go into the atmosphere if it does explode? We don't know. What are the long-term cumulative effects in the food chain, regardless to how the corium enters into it? We don't know. How do we define "long term"? We Don't Know.

    There's a lot of serious "we don't knows" that we should try to "know". So even numbers-scarce articles have value as we try to figure this out.

    However, running around with our hair on fire doesn't solve those "we don't knows". Posting stories like the OP are not necessarily hair-on-fire stuff, though sometimes it is.

    I'll give you a hint though: If the government proposes a tax to mitigate Fukushima, you know that science has DEFINITELY stopped taking it seriously... ;)
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