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    This will be great for me being off grid, my canned salmon will illuminate my pantry

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSearcher View Post
    I actually agree with everyone here. MPR is absolutely correct, we are in uncharted territory, and reliance on MSM down-playing this is foolish. I mean, why should we suddenly start trusting the MSM now? I think ignoring this or down-playing it by reflex is not wise, because we really don't what is going to happen.

    What reactions are occuring in the corium? We don't know. What is the location of the corium? We don't know. What *is* the corium? We don't know. Is the corium going to hit the water table and redstribute itself via steam explosion? We don't know. How far will the debris go into the atmosphere if it does explode? We don't know. What are the long-term cumulative effects in the food chain, regardless to how the corium enters into it? We don't know. How do we define "long term"? We Don't Know.

    There's a lot of serious "we don't knows" that we should try to "know". So even numbers-scarce articles have value as we try to figure this out.

    However, running around with our hair on fire doesn't solve those "we don't knows". Posting stories like the OP are not necessarily hair-on-fire stuff, though sometimes it is.

    I'll give you a hint though: If the government proposes a tax to mitigate Fukushima, you know that science has DEFINITELY stopped taking it seriously... ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watcher View Post
    well, all i can say is that if you're waiting for cnn/fox/msnbc to tell you what's really going on, you're in for a long wait...
    this ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Watcher View Post
    Well, all I can say is that if you're waiting for CNN/FOX/MSNBC to tell you what's really going on, you're in for a long wait...
    Recent mainstream media articles focusing on radiation concerns from Fukushima:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...0FT06A20130805

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/201.../#.UhVG5ZK1G5F

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08...#ixzz2b5zwKAVf

    http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode...ing-to-a-leak/

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...169006112.html
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    From an 8/19/2013 posting to Zerohedge -
    You can judge the validity for yourselves.

    Mon, 08/19/2013 - 18:15 | 3861181 Not Too Important
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    “A recent study was prepared for Greenpeace Germany by international nuclear safety expert Dr. Helmut Hirsch. Dr. Hirsch’s assessment, based on data published by the French government’s radiation protection agency (IRSN) and the Austrian government’s Central Institute for Meteorology and Geodynamics (ZAMG) found that the total amount of unstable radionuclides Iodine-131 and Caesium-137 released between March 11 and March 23 has been so high that the Fukushima crisis already equates to three INES 7 incidents. Release of radiation from the stricken reactors has reached 10,000 teraBequerels (10,000 trillion Bequerels) per hour, measured for radioactive Iodine-131.” http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=24292
    “The uranium bomb which the United States dropped on Hiroshima at the end of World War II released 89 tera becquerels. It killed 140,000 people – many instantly, others within weeks of the blast as they succumbed to severe radiation burns.”

    http://voices.yahoo.com/fukushimas-n...ion-released-w... That’s 981,120 atomic bombs a year going off worth of radiation into our biosphere.
    http://enenews.com/tepco-is-cesium-g...shima-plant-st...
    For additional technical details on the above:

    "Overall, 9 tonnes of fuel was subjected to atomic fission or activation transformation occasioning a prodigious explosion of radioactivity and radiotoxicity which over time, is several times the amount needed to kill by internal contamination the whole human race."

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/07...reactors-500-d...

    'Fukushima Equals 3,000 Billion Lethal Doses'
    “Dr Paolo Scampa, a widely know EU Physicist, single handedly popularized the easily understood Lethal Doses concept. “Lethal Doses” is a world wide, well understood idea that strips Physics bare and offers a brilliant, understandable explanation for all the physics gobbledygook Intelligence agencies and their respective governments use to disguise the brutal truths of the Fukushima Daiichi Disaster." "Three thousand billion (3,000,000,000,000) Lethal Doses of Radiation means there are 429 Lethal Doses chasing each and every one of us on the planet, to put it in a nutshell. This is up from about 70 Billion Lethal Doses March 23, 2011. It is getting worse everyday without any intervention by the US and the other nuclear powers….”

    "Note that the lethality of radioactive reactor cores goes up the first 250,000 years they are out of the reactor – not down."

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05...-chernobyls-is...

    Some of the effects on children:

    "Thyroid cancers related to Chernobyl started appearing only three to four years post-accident (over 92,000 have now been diagnosed). Yet only 12 months post-accident in the Fukushima Prefecture, 36% of 38,000 children under 18 have been diagnosed by ultrasound with thyroid cysts or nodules (most of these lesions should be biopsied to exclude malignancy). This short incubation time would indicate that these children almost certainly received a very high dose of thyroid radiation from inhaled and ingested radioactive iodine." This is from Dr. Helen Caldicott, founder of Physicians for Social Responsibility and a preeminent expert on radiation and children:
    http://www.helencaldicott.com/2012/0...-our-children/

    Soon we will see the 'jellyfish' babies:

    "Lijon Eknilang of the Marshall Islands explains her experience with the effect of nuclear radiation…I have had miscarriages on seven occasions. On one of those occasions, the child I miscarried was severely deformed – it had only one eye…they give birth, not to children as we like to think of them, but to things we could only describe as "octopuses," "apples," "turtles"…" http://psci3206colorado.blogspot.com...efects-of.html
    The realities of life as a child of Japan, Canada and the United States, and now the rest of the world, are harsh indeed. Their developing bodies are keen to absorb nutrients to aid growth, so their cells unwittingly take in huge quantities of radioactive material. And since a significantly large amount of the Fukushima disaster’s byproducts mimic essential minerals like calcium, these poor kids’ bodies have absorbed the poison by the bucketload, thinking that it’s doing them good. Here is a link showing milk in Hawai'i at 600% or more above the FDA levels:

    http://theintelhub.com/2011/04/11/ja...in-hawaii-milk...

    Kellogg's cereal in Japan has been found to contain toxic levels of cesuim, one of the nuclear byproducts of Fukushima:

    http://enenews.com/radioactive-cesiu...comment-277841

    The rice they use primarily comes from California. And where there's cesium, there's uranium and plutonium.

    Who drinks the most milk and eats the most cereal? Kids. This radiation kills the babies and kids first, and then works its' way up the age brackets.

    If you want to see a preview of what Japan is seeing now, and we'll see shortly, Google Images 'Chernobyl babies'. But only if you have a strong stomach.

    It is the opinion of many researchers that this horrific infanticide and explosion of mutated children is now in the US.

    Next, abandonment of all the failed reactors in Japan is imminent (the Japanese government has already admitted 14 additional nuclear power plants with serious issues). The levels of radiation are just too high for workers to withstand.

    And if you think there is someplace to run and hide, Fukushima radiation is now in the Southern Hemisphere. http://www.enviroreporter.com/2012/0...gs-widespread/
    http://optimalprediction.com/wp/cont...m-new-zealand/ This is what military planners call an ELE, or Extinction Level Event. Due to bio-accumulation, eventually all living life on this planet will die from radiation poisoning. Some population numbers: "According to Bobby1's numbers (http://optimalprediction.com/wp/exce...ities-in-2012/) and CDC birth/death numbers, here's a rough estimate of Fukushima related mortality increases in the US: As of 2010, the US population was 308.745 million. The normal death average is just under 1%, with 2.437 million deaths. Bobby1's numbers put the Fukushima caused death increases at 7.75% additional per year, or just under an additional 200,000 Fuku-related deaths per year. As of 2010, births were at 4.4 million. With a 52% rate of gene mutation due to Fuku fallout (based on 'original' butterfly mutations, and we're all 'original', that's 2,288,000 babies born with gene mutations. The death rate will increase due to bioaccumulation, and the mutated birth numbers will steadily increase simultaneously. Within ten years, those of us left will all be sick, either from fallout or gene mutation. Who is going to take care of almost 23 million genetically mutated children? Who will be left to take care of any of us?"
    http://enenews.com/nbc-pretty-clear-...apan-researche...

    So, a rough estimate is that Fukushima is spewing the equivalent of 112 Hiroshima-type nuclear bombs worth of radiation

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    Equating Fukushima with Hiroshima is more pseudoscience......two TOTALLY different
    types of events. Most casualties in 1945 died from the blast, the heat and the over
    pressure. Those that died from radiation did so mostly from the immediate high level
    dose.

    The only real world event suitable for comparison is Chernobyl.....and the Russians did a
    much better job of handling that than the Japanese have. The initial number of casualties
    at Chernobyl were high while at Fukushima they have been nil....so far. But the Chernobyl
    event was contained more effectively limiting long term health effects. The Fukushima
    event will probably have a much higher number of people who develop health issues
    than Chernobyl. These will only be seen as a spike in cancer/mortality rates over the next
    few decades but few will be attributed directly to this event as the causality connection
    will be nearly impossible to prove. Chernobyl was a mostly atmospheric event that
    was contained promptly....Fukushima is much more of a localized event so far with
    most of the dispersion being via ocean dilution. Measurable radiation in the Pacific
    WILL increase but an increase from baseline levels to one of even a hundred times over
    baseline is still not "MASSIVE LEVELS" because baseline is SO miniscule. Don't eat
    seafood or products sourced from the ocean and your risks of getting cancer will be
    in distinguishable from what they were prior to 3/11. Or eat seafood if you like it
    and accept the minor increase in your risk for cancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSearcher View Post
    even numbers-scarce articles have value as we try to figure this out.

    However, running around with our hair on fire doesn't solve those "we don't knows". Posting stories like the OP are not necessarily hair-on-fire stuff, though sometimes it is.
    OP's article, and hundreds of others like them, absolutely qualify for "hair-on-fire stuff". The situation in fuku is OUT OF CONTROL ... does one reeally need 'numbers' to understand that?

    3 meltdowns, in progress now for 2 1/2 years, spewing DAILY nearly 1/2 MILLION GALLONS of highly radioactive contaminated water into the specific .. and God-only-knows how much into the air .. and people want numbers?? Am I living in Alice n Wonderland???

    The reality is the numbers are already out there. US epidemiologists have already proven that thousands of infants, if not tens of thousands, have died from radiation poisoning in America since the disaster. Oh but .. but .. but .. those numbers havent been 'verified' by the elite and dont appear on CNN.

    It appears we are populated by a scientifically impoverished, and scientifically illiterate, group who know nothing about the physics of radiation.

    If all this isnt bad enough, japan is now contemplating doing something that has NEVER been done before, with is the removal of 1300 spent fuel rods - under conditions that defy all rational thinking. (and yet it must be done)

    "hair on fire" is the most accurate phrase I can think of to describe this unprecedented doomsday situation.
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    this unprecedented doomsday situation
    I heard that said about the Deep Water Horizon too

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    Al Jazeera did a broadcast focusing on Fukushima with some very good pictures and what have you. Something that Fox, CNN and others have not and will not be doing.
    I have decided the Tree is now infested with Trolls intent on destroying anyone who dares talk openly on these forums.

    I will no longer be posting or logging on to the tree. My time is over here.

    Some of you will celebrate. I will not be around to hear of it.

    Good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevelator View Post
    OP's article, and hundreds of others like them, absolutely qualify for "hair-on-fire stuff". The situation in fuku is OUT OF CONTROL ... does one reeally need 'numbers' to understand that?

    3 meltdowns, in progress now for 2 1/2 years, spewing DAILY nearly 1/2 MILLION GALLONS of highly radioactive contaminated water into the specific .. and God-only-knows how much into the air .. and people want numbers?? Am I living in Alice n Wonderland???

    The reality is the numbers are already out there. US epidemiologists have already proven that thousands of infants, if not tens of thousands, have died from radiation poisoning in America since the disaster. Oh but .. but .. but .. those numbers havent been 'verified' by the elite and dont appear on CNN.

    It appears we are populated by a scientifically impoverished, and scientifically illiterate, group who know nothing about the physics of radiation.

    If all this isnt bad enough, japan is now contemplating doing something that has NEVER been done before, with is the removal of 1300 spent fuel rods - under conditions that defy all rational thinking. (and yet it must be done)

    "hair on fire" is the most accurate phrase I can think of to describe this unprecedented doomsday situation.
    A "Hair on Fire" stance from parties such as us is not helpful. Without numbers on hand, we do have time to think before acting, because we are still somewhat isolated. Does that mean total inaction? Of course not.

    My point is that we have two competing points of view that are on wildly different ends of the spectrum.

    A. Aww, shucks, what ya worried about? Its a Japan problem, it has nothing to do with us.
    Z. OMGGGGG!!! Nuke the site! Bury it! AAAAUAGGGGHH!!!!

    Both are irrational, both deal with either raw fear or vain hope. A simultaneous meltdown of 3 seperate reactor cores and minimal maintenance of the storage pools nearby can NOT be a good thing. Hands down, sans numbers, anyone who thinks that will just blow over and can be ignored must be irrational. Running headlong into a bad mitigation strategy because it rightfully scares the willies out of people is also irrational.

    What is maddening is that Tepco is certainly living in the Z-Side of the spectrum while putting on a public face implying something from the A-side. So who REALLY knows what is going on over there?

    Folks like nvscanman and others are really doing the right thing for now, monitoring radiation levels and such, but their expectations of stability are not realistic in the long run. Fukushima will be a worldwide problem to some significant level, but not this very second.
    "See, in the last few years...we've stumbled... And when you stumble a lot, you...you start looking at your feet. We have to make people...lift their eyes back to the horizon and see the line of ancestors behind us saying, 'Make my life have meaning.' And to our inheritors before us saying, 'Create the world we will live in.' I mean, we're not just holding jobs and having dinner. We are in the process of building the future."

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