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    Will the delegates be representative of their respective state legislatures?

    No?

    Snore.

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    In an atmosphere laden with grand gestures, this Article V nonsense is simply another exercise in political masturbation.

    As Chicom mentioned, where are the delegates from the respective state legislative bodies? Three guys from the East Armpit bowling team or the Chilicothe Chowder and Marching Society won't cut the mustard. That is also a drooping mile marker on the road between American decline and the current poisonous American apathy. Nobody cares. As Earl Sinclair pointed out, it is a grand gesture without hope.

    Very much in context with the Captain of the Titanic assuring his passengers that everything will be OK. Well, we know how that ended.

    There are few credible solutions for reasonable men of faith, courage and intellect these days. You know that. An Article V Con-Con? How long do you think it would last? The current Administration would declare a National Emergency (insurrection - thus conveniently invoking the acres of Homeland Security crapola), declare your proclamation null and void, then set out to hunt down and liquidate the participants.

    Obama may not leave in 2016. A third term has been the topic now and then. He thrives on power and control. He will never yield either component to a bunch of anguished folks holding a gathering without his advise, consent or participation. The dirty S.O.B. just ordered the American flag to half staff for Nelson Mandela. One terrorist criminal honoring another of his brethren.

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    Chilicothe Chowder and Marching Society
    Chillicothe is spelled with 2 l's :).. Ohio's first capital.

    Sadly I dont think there is a solution. Its all downhill from here. The only solution would be a return to what our original founding fathers intended. No welfare, central bank, income tax, standing army, ect..

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    Con-con (constitutional convention) proposals are modern-day Trojan horses. How long would the Bill of Rights last if politicians of both socialist parties had the opportunity to do what they wanted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son of George View Post
    This weekend at Mount Vernon Virginia a delegation from at least 30 states will assemble at George Washington’s home in Mount Vernon, Virginia to begin planning an Article V Constitutional Convention.

    The discussions on forming an Article V Constitutional Convention has come from many in recent years. Mark Levin's book The Liberty Amendments discusses such a convention.

    Indiana State Senate David Long (R-Fort Wayne) sent a letter calling for every state to send a three-person bipartisan delegation to the December 7 planning meeting.

    The initial meeting won’t actually consider potential Amendment topics, but rather, will set up the rules to be followed if and when a Constitutional Convention is called.

    For many who believe Washington will never fix itself this provides a constitutional non-violent way to bring an out of control federal government back under the Constitution.

    I ask anyone who reads this to look at the additional information below and if willing take part in your state.

    For additional information;

    The Liberty Amendment by Mark Levin is available on Amazon

    Convention of States Project http://conventionofstates.com/
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    Illinois had a "ConCon" (Constitutional Convention) in the 1970s because Illinois' old Constitution was obsolete. The Illinois News Media told the public a new Constitution was needed because the Illinois Legislature only met once every two years >> Believe it or not... but the public fell for it.

    Illinois drew up and passed the new Constitution (Written by the Chicago Democratic Machine).

    Now Illinois is the MOST bankrupt state in the U.S.

    Referendums in Illinois are NOW totally useless. Referendums are advisory (have NO force in Law) and are ignored by politicians.

    State Bond issues DO NOT require voter approval now.

    A new Federal Constitution Convention would be the same way... The News Media would NEVER reveal the truth buried in the fine print of the new Constitution AND it would not contain the OBSOLETE "Bill of Rights"

    The Illinois Public was convinced that a whole new State Constitution was needed to make the state legislature meet EVERY year.

    Just picture Pelosi, Reid and Boehner running the Federal Constitution Convention.

    ANYONE REALLY WANT THAT ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chicom View Post
    Will the delegates be representative of their respective state legislatures?

    No?

    Snore.
    The meeting today is made up of current sitting state legislature representatives. The organizers have asked for 3 representatives from each state. The last numbers I saw had 30 states who are sending delegations.
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    the one we have works just fine

    we just have to actually use it

    the only improvement needed is eliminating guvs ability to take on debt as jefferson suggested later in his life
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Illinois had a "ConCon" (Constitutional Convention) in the 1970s because Illinois' old Constitution was obsolete. The Illinois News Media told the public a new Constitution was needed because the Illinois Legislature only met once every two years >> Believe it or not... but the public fell for it.

    Illinois drew up and passed the new Constitution (Written by the Chicago Democratic Machine).

    Now Illinois is the MOST bankrupt state in the U.S.

    Referendums in Illinois are NOW totally useless. Referendums are advisory (have NO force in Law) and are ignored by politicians.

    State Bond issues DO NOT require voter approval now.

    A new Federal Constitution Convention would be the same way... The News Media would NEVER reveal the truth buried in the fine print of the new Constitution AND it would not contain the OBSOLETE "Bill of Rights"

    The Illinois Public was convinced that a whole new State Constitution was needed to make the state legislature meet EVERY year.

    Just picture Pelosi, Reid and Boehner running the Federal Constitution Convention.

    ANYONE REALLY WANT THAT ?
    Once again I would ask people take at least a couple minutes to visit the Convention of States website so they can make informed comments.

    There are two forms of Conventions. One formed by Congress and the other formed by the States. This one is obviously being called for by the States.

    The Founders knew the federal government might one day become drunk with the abuses of power. The most important check to this power is Article V. Article V gives states the power to call a convention for the purpose of proposing amendments to the Constitution.

    By calling a convention of the states, we can stop the federal spending and debt spree, the power grabs of the federal courts, and other misuses of federal power. The current situation is precisely what the Founders feared, and they gave us a solution we have a duty to use.

    After the states propose, debate, and vote upon the proposed amendments, they will be sent to the 50 state legislatures for ratification. Three-quarters of the states must agree for any of the proposed amendments to be ratified.

    Congress has no authority to stop such a process. The Founders made sure of that.

    The most common objection to an Article V convention is called the "runaway convention" objection. Like some comments here it envisions a scenario in which delegates disregard the original issue, rewrite the Constitution, and change the entire American system of government. While this initial response is understandable, it is based on fear and misinformation.

    Here are the facts:

    1. There is a clear, strong single-subject precedent that would almost certainly be declared binding in the event of a court challenge. There have been over 400 applications from state legislatures for an Article V convention in the history of the Republic. No such convention has ever been called because there has never been an application from two-thirds of the states for a single subject. In addition to this, there is a huge amount of historical precedent that limits interstate conventions to a particular subject. (See Dr. Robert Natelson’s handbook here: http://www.alec.org/publications/article-v-handbook/).

    2. Ratification of any proposed amendment requires the approval of 38 states. It only takes 13 states to vote “no” to defeat any proposed amendment, and the chances of 38 state legislatures approving a rogue amendment are effectively zero.

    3. Improper changes to the process can be legally challenged by state legislators. The Supreme Court has held that Congress acted unconstitutionally when it changed the rules of the process in midstream. See, Idaho v. Freeman, 529 F.Supp. 1107 (D.C. Idaho 1981) (vacated on the ground of mootness.) CSG’s Senior Fellow for Constitutional Studies, Michael Farris, was lead counsel for Washington state legislators in that litigation—the last major Article V case in U.S. history.

    4. There is absolutely no historical precedent for a runaway convention. Many opponents of a convention of the states make the historically false allegation that our Constitution was adopted as the result of an illegal runaway convention. Such an argument was invented by the enemies of the Constitution and is unsupported by historical fact. (See “Was the Constitution Illegally Adopted?” by Michael Farris at http://www.hslda.org/courtreport/v21n4/V21N401.asp).

    American citizens must evaluate the relative safety of two choices. We can allow Washington, D.C., to continue abusing the Constitution and the rights of the people with the vague hope that someday Washington will see the light and relinquish power. Or we call a convention of the states, trusting it will behave properly and one of the many lines of defense will stop any misuse of power.

    Having an opinion is great if it is an informed one but sadly the comments so far show a clear lack of information. It doesn't take long to research the pros and cons of what the States are proposing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adino View Post
    the one we have works just fine

    we just have to actually use it

    the only improvement needed is eliminating guvs ability to take on debt as jefferson suggested later in his life
    Other than the federal government ignoring the Constitution one of our major problems is they use it to abuse through ambiguity. Just look at how they twist the 2nd Amendment. The organizers of Convention of States recognizes this abuse and are prepared to use unambiguous language which leave no room for interpretive abuse.

    The following are examples of amendment topics that could be discussed at a convention of states:

    • A balanced budget amendment
    • A redefinition of the General Welfare Clause (the original view was the federal government could not spend money on any topic within the jurisdiction of the states)
    • A redefinition of the Commerce Clause (the original view was that Congress was granted a narrow and exclusive power to regulate shipments across state lines--not all the economic activity of the nation)
    • A prohibition of using international treaties and law to govern the domestic law of the United States
    • A limitation on using Executive Orders and federal regulations to enact laws (since Congress is supposed to be the exclusive agency to enact laws)
    • Imposing term limits on Congress and the Supreme Court
    • Placing an upper limit on federal taxation
    • Requiring the sunset of all existing federal taxes and a super-majority vote to replace them with new, fairer taxes



    Of course, these are merely examples of what would be up for discussion. The convention of states itself would determine which ideas deserve serious consideration, and it will take a majority of votes from the states to formally propose any amendments. This is one of the areas where individuals can take part by talking to your State representatives about your concerns and what amendments should be proposed.
    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

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