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    Default The Boogyman du jour: ISIS/ISL and the "Manufactured Crisis"

    Just so everyone’s clear and up to speed on the facts behind ISIS/ISL and where they came from.
    To keep this short I’m going to skip over the Benghazi connection and the funding/weapons being sent to the “Rebels” in Syria and cut to the chase:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014...bucca-in-2009/
    ISIS Terror Leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Was Released By Obama from Camp Bucca in 2009
    Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, June 12, 2014

    Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), has transformed a few terror cells on the verge of extinction into the most dangerous militant group in the world.

    Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or Abu Dua was once held by the US in Camp Bucca Iraq.
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    (The Telegraph)
    But the Obama administration shut down the Bucca prison camp and released its prisoners, including Abu Dua in 2009.

    The Telegraph reported:

    The FBI “most wanted” mugshot shows a tough, swarthy figure, his hair in a jailbird crew-cut. The $10 million price on his head, meanwhile, suggests that whoever released him from US custody four years ago may now be regretting it…

    …Well-organised and utterly ruthless, the ex-preacher is the driving force behind al-Qaeda’s resurgence throughout Syria and Iraq, putting it at the forefront of the war to topple President Bashar al-Assad and starting a fresh campaign of mayhem against the Western-backed government in Baghdad.

    On Tuesday, his forces achieved their biggest coup in Iraq to date, seizing control of government buildings in Mosul, the country’s third biggest city. Coming on top of similar operations in January that planted the black jihadi flag in the towns of Fallujah and Ramadi, it gives al-Qaeda control of large swathes of the north and west of the country, and poses the biggest security crisis since the US pull-out two years ago…

    …“This guy was a Salafi (a follower of a fundamentalist brand of Islam), and Saddam’s regime would have kept a close eye on him,” said Dr Michael Knights, an Iraq expert at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

    “He was also in Camp Bucca for several years, which suggests he was already considered a serious threat when he went in there.”

    That theory seems backed by US intelligence reports from 2005, which describe him as al-Qaeda’s point man in Qaim, a fly-blown town in Iraq’s western desert.

    “Abu Duaa was connected to the intimidation, torture and murder of local civilians in Qaim”, says a Pentagon document. “He would kidnap individuals or entire families, accuse them, pronounce sentence and then publicly execute them.”

    Why such a ferocious individual was deemed fit for release in 2009 is not known. One possible explanation is that he was one of thousands of suspected insurgents granted amnesty as the US began its draw down in Iraq. Another, though, is that rather like Keyser Söze, the enigmatic crimelord in the film The Usual Suspects, he may actually be several different people.

    Democracy Now added this on the closing of Camp Bucca in 2009.

    The US meanwhile has closed Camp Bucca, once its largest prison in Iraq. The Pentagon says it’s transferred Bucca’s remaining 180 prisoners to two jails near Baghdad. US Lieutenant Colonel Kenneth King said the prison’s closure comes as part of the US-Iraq security deal.

    Lieutenant Colonel Kenneth King: “As a show of progress for the security agreement and moving forward the government of Iraq, we’re going to put the theater internment facility as a piece of history. And we’re going to — it will be history, and we’ll move forward from here and progress.”

    Camp Bucca once hosted thousands of prisoners without charge, with many allegations of torture and abuse by US guards.


    Related:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...et-him-go.html
    Iraq crisis: the jihadist behind the takeover of Mosul - and how America let him go
    The march of al-Qaeda-linked militants towarsds the Iraqi capital is a coup for the shadowy leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi - a former US detainee


    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013...settle-in-u-s/
    Obama Funds Al-Qaeda Syrian Rebels And Imports Syrian Refugees to U.S.
    Posted by Gateway Guest Blogger on Tuesday, June 18, 2013
    Guest Post by Mara Zebest

    In an article about Obama-backed Syrian jihadists who beheaded a Christian and fed him to the dogs, Pamela Geller stated it best:

    “If you need a fail-safe formula for determining who the bad guys are — ask what side is Obama on: [...] Christian Andrei Arbashe, 38, was kidnapped and beheaded by rebel fighters in northern town of Ras Al-Ayn on the Turkish border [...] Syrian rebels beheaded a Christian man and fed his body to dogs, according to a nun who says the West is ignoring atrocities committed by Islamic extremists. She said his headless corpse was found by the side of the road, surrounded by hungry dogs. He had recently married and was soon to be a father.”

    Every day presents more proof that Obama is on the side of the Islamic caliphate to rule the world and destroy Western civilizations which includes Israel and America. Obama is the enemy within.

    Obama recently announced he will be giving away another $300 million of our taxpayer money to the al-Qaeda Syrian rebels which now brings the total to $815 million. Proof that these rebels pledge loyalty to al-Qaeda presented by USA Today.

    JihadWatch reports the following:

    “Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of” — New York Times, April 28, 2013

    Syrian rebels pledge loyalty to al-Qaeda — USA Today, April 11, 2013

    Bringing the total to $815 million for the allies of al-Qaeda and proponents of jihad and Sharia. “Obama announces extra $300 million in aid for Syrians, refugees,” by Ian Johnston for NBC News, June 18:

    The U.S. is to give more than $300 million in additional “life-saving humanitarian assistance” to Syrians caught up in the country’s civil war, Barack Obama has announced, taking the total amount given since the conflict began to nearly $815 million.

    At the G-8 summit in Ireland, President Obama spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin to discuss his goals in intervening in the Syrian conflict. Meanwhile polls show the American public does not want to arm Syrian rebels. NBC’s Chuck Todd reports.

    And if this wasteful and dangerous use of our taxpayer dollars isn’t infuriating enough, also consider Obama’s plans to import 9,000 of these Al-Qaeda “refugees” into the U.S. What are the odds Obama will give a background check on these Syrians when he refuses to allow the NSA to spy on the mosques.

    The Hill reports the following on the Syrian refugees to settle in U.S.

    The Department of Homeland Security on Monday issued new regulations that will allow more Syrian refugees to temporarily settle in the United States.

    The department estimates that about 9,000 people will be eligible to come to America under the 18-month extension to March 2015 of the Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for Syrians. Another 2,600 or so Syrians already here will be able to apply to renew their status. The Obama administration first gave TPS designation to Syrian citizens and residents last year, and the status was set to expire on Sept. 30.

    Related Articles:
    http://pamelageller.com/2013/06/obam...he-dogs-.html/
    Obama-Backed Syrian jihadists beheaded a Christian and fed him to the dogs
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...ction/2075323/
    Syrian rebels pledge loyalty to al-Qaeda
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/06/ob...rian-jihadists
    Obama gives $300 million more to the Syrian jihadists
    Robert Spencer Jun 18, 2013
    http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...-united-states
    Obama allows more Syrian refugees to settle in US
    By Julian Pecquet - 06/17/13


    It’s not just the Obama Administration from our government who is supporting al Qaeda and ISIS/ISL:
    http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=30676
    Nice: ISIS Posts Photo of Their Members Chilling With Sen. John McCain
    2014 06 22

    Remember when Sen. John McCain took that tour of Syria with the rebels? This is what he said about it when he came back:
    “It was a very moving experience to meet these fighters who have been struggling now for over two years,” McCain said on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360” on Wednesday night. “And they’re very aware of the battlefield situation and they’re very disturbed about the dramatic influx of Hezbollah fighters, more Iranians, and of course, stepped-up activities of Bashar Assad.”

    Related:
    http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013...63-015014.html
    Sen. John McCain visits Syria
    By POLITICO STAFF | 05/30/2013
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    Can't figure out why there are no comments on your thread that was started at 11:44 am this morning.

    Your lead in comments below were right in line with my thoughts.

    Just so everyone’s clear and up to speed on the facts behind ISIS/ISL and where they came from.
    To keep this short I’m going to skip over the Benghazi connection and the funding/weapons being sent to the “Rebels” in Syria and cut to the chase:


    I think this article is pretty close to being right on mark.

    But then everyone has been drawn in by the Fergurson distraction on TV.

    Very little news coverage about the journalist that was beheaded or the child that was cut in half, or the other children that were beheaded or the christians murdered and buried alive or the genocide of entire ethnic groups and christians populations in the middle east.

    And today was another day for the president at the golf course... I think the conclusion is pretty obvious.
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    It is far beyond the scope of reason for most people to think along these lines. They couldn't believe that "our government" would do evil things.

    So wisdom demands that you look into WHY this is happening. What is the purpose for ISIS?

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    Good find!! Btt
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    Quote Originally Posted by StandFree View Post
    It is far beyond the scope of reason for most people to think along these lines. They couldn't believe that "our government" would do evil things.

    So wisdom demands that you look into WHY this is happening. What is the purpose for ISIS?
    This is exactly what i have been wondering - What exactly is the purpose of ISIS? They could have easily been stopped.

    And what exactly was the reason to release the current leader of ISIS in 2009; and then recently the other 5 high level terrorists.

    Too much going on lately, and accelerating very rapidly..

    Additionally we are being desensitized. It is more that a normal person can mentally process.



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    Yoi seem to have left out the first several years of ISIL but well....
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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    Yoi seem to have left out the first several years of ISIL but well....
    There was a great deal more than that left out, the simple matter of ten centuries of history being but one piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    Yoi seem to have left out the first several years of ISIL but well....
    I did to save time and space.
    Here you go:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/423eb5d2-2...#axzz3B2Zmsb3r
    August 20, 2014 8:44 pm
    Extreme violence lies in Isis DNA
    By Sam Jones in London

    An image grab taken from a propaganda video released on July 5 2014 by al-Furqan Media allegedly shows the leader of the Islamic State (IS) jihadist group, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, aka Caliph Ibrahim, adressing Muslim worshippers at a mosque in the militant-held northern Iraqi city of Mosul. Baghdadi, who on June 29 proclaimed a "caliphate" straddling Syria and Iraq, purportedly ordered all Muslims to obey him in the video released on social media

    It is just over 10 years since Nicholas Berg, an American businessman working in Iraq, was brutally decapitated on video by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the thuggish leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

    With the murder of the American journalist, James Foley, on Tuesday, the US and its Western allies were vividly reminded of the worst excesses of the Iraqi insurgency in the wake of the 2003 invasion.

    But it is not just in the manner of its bloodlust that the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) and AQI share a gruesome symmetry.

    The two organisations also share a lineage. The threadbare remnants of AQI – all but crushed by the US troop surge in Iraq of 2007 and the “sons of Iraq” movement to turn Sunni tribes against the jihadis – morphed into the earliest version of Isis.

    But more importantly, Isis is also the operational, strategic and ideological twin of its predecessor.

    “There is almost no difference in the organisations,” says Afzal Ashraf, a former RAF captain in Iraq and now consultant at the Royal United Services Institute.

    Mr Ashraf points in particular to the shared heritage of Isis and AQI in drawing on former members of Saddam Hussein’s Ba’athist regime. Both are “parasitic insurgencies” that co-opt disenfranchised factions to their cause, he says.

    It is perhaps for this reason that both AQI and Isis have historically shared a primary concern with the “near enemy” – other Arabs – rather than the far enemy – Western infidels – as their main targets. Isis, like AQI, is primarily a sectarian organisation, dedicated to eradicating the Shia governments in Baghdad and the Alawite regime in Damascus.

    Military analysts also point to the similarity in battleground tactics used by Isis with those used by AQI, in particular the way both deploy force in circles of pressure, particularly around cities, using waves of car and truck bombs.

    For Fawaz Gerges, professor of international relations at the London School of Economics and an expert in al-Qaeda and Islamic extremism, the defining characteristic of the Isis/AQI approach, however is the their particular “use of violence”.

    “Groups like al-Qaeda used violence in a tactical way, in a way proportional to their aims,” he says. “For Isis and AQI the savagery is the point. The action is what matters, not the ideas. To Zarqawi and Baghdadi [the Isis leader], the spectacle and the limitless force – beheadings, crucifications, people being buried alive – is what matters.”
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    There are plenty of differences between AQ and ISIL, but the most significant is in philosophy. AQ wanted a united, universal Islamic revolt against the west and it's local dictators while ISIL is just a Sunni movement that limits it's operational goals to holding the traditional pre-Ottoman and 1918 Sunni geography. AQ was a movement while ISIL is a state. Big difference.

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