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    The 1707 Act of Union was abomination presided over the last of the Stuarts, which ushered in the Hanoverian interlopers.

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    Who's counting the votes? I grew up in Chicago, so it's a natural question.

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    Get your money out of Britain: Global banks warn investors 'Yes' vote would be 'cataclysmic' for UK economy

    • Value of the pound could plunge by 15% in the event of a 'Yes' vote
    • Japan's top bank Nomura advises investors to brace for sterling collapse
    • Separation of union after over 300 years would be a 'cataclysmic shock'
    • Jitters saw the pound fall to a 10-month low against the dollar yesterday
    • Shares in major Scottish businesses also tanked amid a surge for 'Yes'
    • Sterling continued to fall today as second poll puts referendum on knife edge



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    Quebec has been extorting concessions from the rest of Canada ever since. They're like a petulant child, screaming and pounding fists whenever they don't get what they want. They forced French on the rest of the provinces - even if little or none is spoken there. Yet, Quebec will not allow English. I've met dozens of Canadians that want a referendum on the other side: KICK OUT QUEBEC. They're sick of the nonsense.


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    David Cameron has announced the decision to cancel parliamentary questions on Wednesday, a move only ever before seen in times of national emergency.

    His office are citing an urgent need to travel to Scotland, as the breakup of the UK now seems likely.

    Government sources are saying Cameron is in "open panic"
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielboon View Post
    David Cameron has announced the decision to cancel parliamentary questions on Wednesday, a move only ever before seen in times of national emergency.

    His office are citing an urgent need to travel to Scotland, as the breakup of the UK now seems likely.

    Government sources are saying Cameron is in "open panic"
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29125406
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    Bank of England Governor Mark Carney has trashed the claim that Scotland will be able to keep the pound if the country votes for independence.

    In a blow to Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond's argument that Scotland would be able to remain as part of a currency union after independence, Carney told the audience at the Trade Union Congress on Tuesday that the plan would be "incompatible with sovereignty". He added that such an arrangement risked a repeat of the problems faced by eurozone countries.

    Here is the key part of his answer (emphasis mine):

    First, you have to have free movement of capital, labour, goods and services across the various parts of the currency union. Secondly, you need something called a banking union ... including a lender of last resort. And thirdly, you need some sort of fiscal arrangement so that tax revenues and spending flow across those borders. You only have to look across the continent to look at what happens if you don’t have all of those components in place.

    His intervention on the currency debate will be an embarrassment for the Yes campaign that has yet to offer a firm alternative to a currency union. In effect, Carney was saying that a formal sharing of currency is incompatible with independence and that such an arrangement would be more akin to federalization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwit View Post
    Bank of England Governor Mark Carney has trashed the claim that Scotland will be able to keep the pound if the country votes for independence.

    In a blow to Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond's argument that Scotland would be able to remain as part of a currency union after independence, Carney told the audience at the Trade Union Congress on Tuesday that the plan would be "incompatible with sovereignty". He added that such an arrangement risked a repeat of the problems faced by eurozone countries.

    Here is the key part of his answer (emphasis mine):
    First, you have to have free movement of capital, labour, goods and services across the various parts of the currency union. Secondly, you need something called a banking union ... including a lender of last resort. And thirdly, you need some sort of fiscal arrangement so that tax revenues and spending flow across those borders. You only have to look across the continent to look at what happens if you don’t have all of those components in place.

    His intervention on the currency debate will be an embarrassment for the Yes campaign that has yet to offer a firm alternative to a currency union. In effect, Carney was saying that a formal sharing of currency is incompatible with independence and that such an arrangement would be more akin to federalization.
    Too funny. Carney is the former head of the Bank of Canada and this is exactly the same last minute comments the BOC made here in 1995. It worked then so....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aetius Romulous View Post
    Too funny. Carney is the former head of the Bank of Canada and this is exactly the same last minute comments the BOC made here in 1995. It worked then so....
    I guess that I used to know where Carney came from, but forgot.

    What he said is perfectly true. Like a gold standard did a couple of generations ago, the Euro has devastated the economies of the southern European countries; adoption of a common currency without complete unification has been a disaster. Just as Margaret Thatcher predicted.

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    If YES passes, a lot of the sort-out will be in the courts for years, but holy cats. The Scots have had to deal with a lot worse over the course of their domination by the English.

    Kick them out and deal with the aftermath. A global crunch is coming anyway. Best to have your future in your own hands. Think Iceland.

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