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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar Wilde View Post
    I appreciate the bullit points ... but first, while we're on the subject, lets identify exactly what obocare is.

    In a nutshell it's a get rich quick scheme for a handful of folks while providing little to nothing in return to the payees.

    Who benefits and how? And I ask this in sincerity cuz I'm a victim of the VA ... well not victim, uh recipient, yeah that's it.

    So I'm unfamiliar with the intricacies of obocare and other than recognizing it as a wholesale scam, I know nothing else about it.

    Forgo the legaleeze and describe some of the benefits and the beneficiaries and perhaps how this ... program is more advantageous as opposed to the old fashion doctor patient relationship.

    At your leisure.

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    Oscar, the VA needs to be abolished and replaced by The United States Armed Forces Medical Corps, modeled on the best atributes of the Army Corps of Engineers and the best functions of the V.A.. The Corps of Engineers and it's work , with some exceptions, has been one of the best examples of public/private interaction I can think of.

    This same organization can purchase large amounts of healthcare and medicine from the private sector at discount prices to support veterans, national security and low income health care. The Surgeon General should head this organization as one of the joint chiefs of staff. Every states national guard force should include a robust medical compliment.

    Veterans deserve health care 'up to and including' the best we can provide.

    There is some synergy in the facts that V.A. and the obamacare mess both need to be fixed by government and at the same time.

    You might just as well change those ujoints while you've got the trans out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dissimulo View Post
    The only problem is that the insurers have learned that they can price higher and demand much higher deductibles. Even if Obamacare goes away, they are unlikely to drop prices back to where they were pre-Obamacare. My pre-Obamacare plan had a $2500 deductible. My post-Obamacare plan has a $10K deductible. I'll bet that doesn't change much.
    Um... yeah, they were able to do that WHEN THE CUSTOMERS HAD A GUN TO THEIR BACKS! Without *forced*, *required* insurance, that goes away FAST...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seditious View Post
    the VA needs to be abolished ....
    Seditious, this is all well beyond the narrow confines of my field of expertise but I will say ... write this down, provide some detail and submit to the incoming crew for review and implementation.

    I would only add two things and I'm going to walk on that thin line betwixt socialism and this cancer often hailed as free market capitalism. At the basic local level, yes but beyond this is taxpayer funded, government controlled industrial grade bidness.

    Your healthcare plan must be available to our society in it's entirety if for no other reason than to avoid the perception of a divide ... and it's just the right thing to do.

    Secondly the AMA who is complicit must be abolished as well in addition to AIG returning the trillions provided them by the previous traitor in cheef.

    I suppose what I have in mind is a kinder, gentler Pol Pot sweep ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summerthyme View Post
    Um... yeah, they were able to do that WHEN THE CUSTOMERS HAD A GUN TO THEIR BACKS! Without *forced*, *required* insurance, that goes away FAST...
    I hope you're right, but I'm not confident about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar Wilde View Post

    I suppose what I have in mind is a kinder, gentler Pol Pot sweep ....

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    I think that I would agree that some people deserve to bleed to death on the front lawn of a hospital but in reality we have a federal law, decades old, that hospitals can't allow that. How do you plan to fix that? Anarchy or compromise?
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    The government has never done anything more efficiently than the private sector. Ever.. Never.

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    Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by merovingian View Post
    The government has never done anything more efficiently than the private sector. Ever.. Never.
    Healthcare is a market item. What is the federal government's best purchase model? Who do we need to buy that commodity for? Who do we need to buy that commodity from? The generic costs less than an epipen and is available. No Congresssional hearings required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merovingian View Post
    The government has never done anything more efficiently than the private sector. Ever.. Never.
    Well, except killing people. They excel at that, and in industrial quantities at times, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seditious View Post
    How do you plan to fix that?
    My last comment was unrelated to the topic and interjected as an afterthought relative to our collective social ills. I know, I shouldn't do that.

    Anarchy? Not just yet, there is a figurehead that some believe shows promise but the gloves are going to have to come off ... and I don't believe in compromise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar Wilde View Post
    My last comment was unrelated to the topic and interjected as an afterthought relative to our collective social ills. I know, I shouldn't do that.

    Anarchy? Not just yet, there is a figurehead that some believe shows promise but the gloves are going to have to come off ... and I don't believe in compromise.

    O.W.

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