The Warming Earth

[dissimulo]

Cite your sources or STFU

What sort of citation would you like for this first hand information, crankypants?

[Lenno]

What sort of citation would you like for this first hand information, crankypants?

That is not a SOURCE; neither is it an argument; You, sir are a liar, as are all your peers. Please go back to Comet Pizza where you will be at ease with your peers; tell them I sent you with a message. The message is a Shakespearian FY with a side of Hennery the VIIIth

[jimmyb]

Massachusetts Institute of Technology scientists recently conducted a study on global warming trends, and found out that the earth's natural cycles could be the major cause of the phenomenon.
http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/h...te-change.html

[Lenno]

Where do you live? What basement do you hide in that would make you swallow Mammon with such glutinous glee?
How did you get so far from God's Love? do you not see that there is a sea of humanity that wants nothing more than to embrace you and lift you-up?

[TonyM]

They are relocating an entire village about 10 miles north of me due to rising high tide levels. It almost never flooded prior to this century. Happily, a village can be moved. Cities can't, at least not quickly. Whatever the reason, this is happening in a lot of places and it is going to get expensive. I'm glad we don't live on the beach.

Here are two of several recent instances --

Alaskan village votes to relocate over global warming

(CNN)The Alaskan village of Shishmaref voted this week to surrender to global warming and move its ancestral home.

The Tuesday vote was close. Eighty-nine people voted to move Shishmaref to
the Alaska mainland while 78 voted to stay and fight the rising tide,
said Donna Barr, secretary of the Shishmaref Council.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/18/us/ala...votes-to-move/


The creep of climate change

This isolated Southwest Alaska community is disappearing as the land
sinks, sea levels rise and the bordering Ninglick River gobbles up an
average of one-fourth of a football field a year.

"My house used to be down there by the pond, and they had to drag it up
here," said Elsie Stewart, 49, standing on the front steps of her home,
moved a few years back after a flood. The hide of a musk ox hunted by
her brother lay drying outside. She knits the fine yarn spun from
qiviut, the down, into scarves and smokerings, or nachaqs, as part of
the Anchorage-based Ooomingmak cooperative.

With severe erosion and flooding in Newtok, Stewart is unsure the place
she was born and raised will be there for her own children.

But Newtok doesn't intend to lose itself to the creep of climate
change. Of more than two dozen threatened Alaska villages, Newtok is the
one farthest along in efforts to relocate to new, higher ground.

https://www.adn.com/features/alaska-...limate-change/

[breezy]

OMG ....it's true

[Lenno]

As Carl Sagan wrote in 1995, in The Demon-haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark:

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”


"Take the climate change devotees. There is no "97% scientific consensus" that humans are causing catastrophic climate change. That is a lie. Science is not decided by consensus. It is based on provable scientific method, not computer models. But confront a believer with some facts and they immediately launch into ad hominem attacks having nothing whatever to do with the topic. So committed to their false belief in this global hoax, they will attack the simplest valid scientific fact if it is contrary to their beloved faith in man-caused destruction of the planet.

They will not cite science but will accuse the "denier" of some crude variation of stupidity. Anthropogenic Global Warming is the charlatan that has captured them. So felled by this belief is new Senator Kamala Harris that she cluelessly grilled CIA cabinet pick Mike Pompeo about his grasp and commitment to that particular bamboozle! He politely replied that he respected all laws passed to protect the environment but that his job was in a different realm. California Republicans hoped Harris would be a tad less dim than Barbara Boxer; she is not."

[TonyM]

Here's Carl Sagan's original essay on the dangers of climate change


There is an additional factor that can alter the landscape and the
climate of Earth: intelligent life, able to make major environmental
changes. Like Venus, the Earth also has a greenhouse effect due to its
carbon dioxide and water vapor. The global temperature of the Earth
would be below the freezing point of water if not for the greenhouse
effect. It keeps the oceans liquid and life possible. A little
greenhouse is a good thing. Like Venus, the Earth also has about 90
atmospheres of carbon dioxide; but it resides in the crust as limestone
and other carbonates, not in the atmosphere.

The principal energy sources of our present industrial civilization are
the so-called fossil fuels. We burn wood and oil, coal and natural gas,
and, in the process, release waste gases, principally CO2, into the air.
Consequently, the carbon dioxide content of the Earth's atmosphere is
increasing dramatically. The possibility of a runaway greenhouse effect
suggests that we have to be careful: Even a one- or two- degree rise in
the global temperature can have catastrophic consequences.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/heres-carl-sa...-cl-1481304135

[TonyM]

Carl Sagan on Global Warming

[jimmyb]

I'm on my phone Tony maybe you can check on this.
Sagan says limestone holds much of the earths co2.
Farming today requires much limestone.Wonder if corporate farming could be at fault here.