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    BREAKING: Pope removes conservative Vatican doctrine chief – Cardinal Mueller


    ROME, June 30, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – Pope Francis is removing the head of the Vatican's doctrinal office, one of the Church's most senior cardinals, who has taken an orthodox stand from the beginning of the pontificate.

    LifeSite has confirmed with a source in Rome that Cardinal Gerhard Muller, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, is to be removed from his office on July 2, the end of his five-year mandate in the position.

    In recent years, the mandate for the office has been extended until the normal retirement age of 75. In the case of Cardinal Josef Ratzinger, it was extended beyond, until his election to the pontificate at age 78.

    But Cardinal Muller, 69, has been steadfast in his opposition to the liberal interpretation of Amoris Laetitia favored by Pope Francis.

    In terms of vocal conservatives in the hierarchy of the Vatican only Cardinal Robert Sarah remains. Cardinal Burke was removed by Pope Francis and demoted to patron of the Order of Malta. Australian Cardinal George Pell, as reported yesterday, is now off to his home country to defend himself against media-hyped charges of sexual abuse.

    Cardinal Muller, according to sources, seems set to take over as the Patron of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem, replacing Cardinal Edwin O’Brien who at 78 is three years past retirement age.

    The story broke last week in the Spanish-language newspaper Clarin, and was reported today by the Rome-based Corrispondenza Romana.

    Clarin suggested Muller would be replaced by Boston Cardinal Sean O’Malley, known as a yes-man in Church circles. Other candidates include Vienna Cardinal Chistoph Schonborn and Archbishop Victor Fernandez, a close collaborator of Pope Francis.

    According to the Vatican press office, Pope Francis met Cardinal Muller this morning, but no information about the meeting has been made public.

    The head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith was at one time second in power only to the Pope.

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    Cardinal Müller: Nobody can alter the way the Sacraments work
    April 17, 2017

    Cardinal Gerhard Müller, the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, has said that local bishops cannot reinterpret Church teaching subjectively.

    In an interview with the German magazine Rheinische Post, Cardinal Müller said: “I do not think it is particularly beneficial for each individual bishop to comment on papal documents to explain how he subjectively understands the document.”

    He further said: “It cannot be that the universally binding doctrine of the Church, formulated by the Pope, is given different and even contradictory regional interpretations. The basis of the Church is the unity of faith. The Church no longer experiences a new revelation.”

    In recent weeks, the bishops of Malta and Germany have issued guidelines permitting Communion for the remarried. The Maltese bishops said that it might be “impossible” for some couples to avoid sex, and that people could not be refused Communion if they discerned that they were “at peace with God”.

    However, several bishops have affirmed the traditional teaching that the remarried cannot receive Communion, except when they endeavour to live “in complete continence”. Cardinal Müller pointed to magisterial teaching, most recently that of John Paul II, Benedict XVI and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which says continence is necessary. The cardinal told an Italian magazine that this teaching was “not dispensable, because it is not only a positive law of John Paul II, but he expressed an essential element of Christian moral theology and the theology of the sacraments.”

    Cardinal Müller also said that, in order to be absolved of adultery, a penitent must resolve not to sin again. He said: “No one can alter the sacraments as a means of grace according to their own choice – for example, so that the sacrament of Confession can be given without the intention to sin no more.”

    https://veritas-vincit-international.org/2017/04/




    Vatican doctrine chief: Amoris Laetitia cannot be interpreted in a way that refutes previous teachings of popes

    January 4, 2017

    Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Muller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, said that Amoris Laetitia cannot be interpreted in a way that contradicts magisterial teachings of previous popes and councils.

    In his December 1, 2016 interview with the domradio.de, the radio station of the Diocese of Cologne, Germany, the Vatican’s doctrine chief said:

    The binding declarations of the popes, of the Councils of Trent and of the Second Vatican Council and of the Congregation for the Faith on the essential characteristics of marriage and on the precondition for a fruitful reception of the Sacraments in the state of justifying [i.e., sanctifying] grace may not be pushed aside by anyone under the pretext that marriage is, after all, merely an ideal which only can be reached by a very small number of people.

    Regarding Communion for “remarried” divorced Catholics, Muller cites a 1994 letter by then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, which denied the possibility for bishops to permit Communion for the couples in question. The letter by Cardinal Ratzinger was a response to a 1993 Pastoral Letter of three progressive German bishops (one of them being the then-Bishop Walter Kasper) who were then already pushing for Communion for the “divorced and remarried.”

    The indissolubility of marriage must be “the unshaken foundation of teaching and of every pastoral accompaniment,” Müller emphasizes.

    The interview was Muller’s first – and so far only – public response to the issue of the four Cardinal’s Dubia addressed to the Pope. Muller said that his Congregation cannot answer the four Cardinals’ Dubia without the express authority of the Pope.

    Cardinal Müller stated in the interview that the “Holy Father, at the same time, wishes to help all people whose marriages and families are in a crisis to find a path in accordance with the ever-merciful will of God. We can always assume that the just and merciful God always wants our salvation in whatever need we find ourselves. But it does not stand in the power of the Magisterium to correct God’s Revelation or to make the imitation of Christ comfortable.”

    As a follow-up question, the interviewer asked Muller: “Would the bishops’ conferences thus then be asked to help? Francis himself, after all, writes in Amoris Laetitia that not all questions need to be clarified in Rome….”

    When answering this pertinent question, the German Cardinal first explains that bishops’ conferences “are merely working groups with certain competences” and, thus, are not of “Divine Law.” He continues:

    Only in fidelity to the teaching of the Apostles, to the whole of the revealed Faith, can the bishops of a conference speak, for example, about the pastoral application of Amoris Laetitia. Otherwise, the Church would disintegrate into national churches and, in the end, would atomize. The Sacrament of Marriage, however, is in Korea just as valid as it is in Germany.

    When asked whether the individual bishop may make his own independent decision as a response to Amoris Laetitia, Muller responded that“Nor can the individual bishops do whatever they want according to their own private taste. They are servants, not masters of the Faith.”

    Muller emphasized that marriage is not an “ideal” to which we aspire to, but rather a Sacrament founded by God Himself:

    Marriage is in truth not a wishful image produced by ourselves, but, rather, a Sacrament, that is to say a reality founded by God Himself. It is an expression of the Mercy of the Creator and of the Redeemer. God does not put excessive demands upon us so that he then can show His Mercy toward us in the face of our own failure. With the help of Grace, we are able to fulfill the Commandments – among them the Sixth Commandment – and thus find peace of heart in a life in accordance with God’s will.

    https://veritas-vincit-international.org/2017/01/



    Pope’s doctrine chief warns of possible ‘schism’ in the Church like Protestant split


    REGENSBURG, Germany, September 8, 2015 (LifeSiteNews) -- In a move that is making headlines in Germany
    , the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has said German bishops are leading the Church to a schism.

    Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Mueller is warning that the tendency of German bishops to divide doctrine from pastoral practice is not unlike the abuses surrounding the Protestant split in 1517. One should "be very vigilant and not forget the lesson of Church history,” he said.

    Last week, in a speech at the release of the German version of Cardinal Robert Sarah's new book God or Nothing in Regensburg, Germany, Cardinal Mueller criticized "a climate of the German claim to leadership for the Universal Church." According to the German newspaper Die Tagespost, Mueller said that he is frequently asked why German bishops claim to be leaders of the Catholic Church -- while flouting teachings on marriage and sexuality -- despite overseeing dramatic reductions in church attendance, shrinking numbers of seminarians, and a drop in vocations to religious orders.

    Mueller also said that predictions of a worldwide collapse in Christianity, as has taken place in Europe, were premature. "We should not predict for others that it will all develop as it has developed with us [in Europe] - as if de-Christianization is a process according to a law in nature. No. With the help of the Faith, one can move mountains," he explained.

    Only with the help of a "strong new evangelization with an apostolic courage and zeal," can weakness in Germany's Christianity be reversed, explained Mueller. However, such zeal faces an enormous challenge that he described as "an ideological constrictedness," according to which the truth and the unity of the Church shall be sacrificed in order to achieve a change at least in the field of pastoral care.

    Mueller specifically identified allowing "remarried" Catholics to receive the Eucharist, as well as accepting a redefinition of marriage, as challenges to overcome. "One tries, with all means - with the help of exegesis, history, dogmatic history, and with reference to psychology and sociology - to deconstruct and relativize the Catholic teaching on marriage which comes from the teaching of Jesus, and this only in order that the Church appears to conform with society," he said.

    "He who remains faithful to the teaching of the Church is attacked by the media, and even defamed as an opponent of the pope," Mueller said, "as if the pope and all the bishops in union with him were not witnesses of the revealed truth which has been entrusted to them so that it does not run the risk of being leveled down by men to a human measure."

    "We may not deceive the people, when it comes to the sacramentality of marriage, its indissolubility, its openness toward the child, and the fundamental complementarity of the two sexes," he firmly stated."Pastoral case has to keep in view the eternal salvation," as opposed to a desire to be popular or accepted in the world.

    German bishops cannot separate themselves from the Universal Church, said Mueller. The nation's Catholic leaders must be "very attentive and [not] forget the lesson of the history of the Church."

    Many German bishops have declared that "life realities" must be taken into account as part of Church teaching and salvation. However, Mueller said the goal should not be "about adapting the Revelation to the world, but … about gaining the world for God."

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    Via John Leary (yet to be approved)

    June 22, 2017:
    Jesus said: “My people, today’s feast day honors St. John Fisher and St. Thomas More who were both beheaded because they would not accept the new church set up by King Henry VIII. This resulted in a split in My Church for the king’s own purposes. You will be seeing another split in My Church of today between a schismatic church and My faithful remnant. The schismatic church will teach New Age principles, and it will declare that sexual sins are no longer mortal sins. If you see any such movement in your church, then leave that church for My places of My faithful remnant. My faithful will have secret meetings in the homes, and later at My refuges. My faithful will be persecuted for not going along with the schismatic church, and they will be threatened with guillotines just as St. John Fisher and St. Thomas More were beheaded. This is why you will have to flee to the protection of My refuges. The Antichrist will have a short reign before I will defeat him, and he and the evil ones will be cast into hell. Stay with My faithful remnant, and you will be brought into My Era of Peace.” (cf. Rv 20:4)

    Jesus said: “My people, your society has turned so evil that it is calling bad, good, and good, bad. You have some hate laws to protect people, but this is not a license to condone sin. Even in America, pastors can be accused of a hate crime by preaching how homosexual acts are sins. You all are familiar with My Ten Commandments, and you know how abortion, fornication, adultery, and homosexual acts are all mortal sins. Some people may try to hide behind your evil Supreme Court decisions, but I will hold people accountable for these sins at their judgment. People try to hide their sins, and their conscience is reminded when you call out these actions as serious sins. I am the only judge of your souls, but you can try to help people to avoid these sins.”



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cub View Post

    Via John Leary (yet to be approved)

    Jesus said: “My people, your society has turned so evil that it is calling bad, good, and good, bad. You have some hate laws to protect people, but this is not a license to condone sin. Even in America, pastors can be accused of a hate crime by preaching how homosexual acts are sins. You all are familiar with My Ten Commandments, and you know how abortion, fornication, adultery, and homosexual acts are all mortal sins. Some people may try to hide behind your evil Supreme Court decisions, but I will hold people accountable for these sins at their judgment. People try to hide their sins, and their conscience is reminded when you call out these actions as serious sins. I am the only judge of your souls, but you can try to help people to avoid these sins.”
    Jesus said? Or John Leary said?

    I'm guessing you don't have any Scripture verses where that's found, because there aren't any.

    It's truly amazing how people pull stuff from their rears and the masses are itchin' to follow them.

    "Yet to be approved." Lol. Yeah, might want to rethink that one... along with everything else you post.
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    Timeline suggests reasons for Pope’s dismissal of conservative from top Vatican doctrine post


    Jul 1, 2017 - 8:18 am EST


    July 1, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – From his appointment by Pope Benedict XVI as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith in 2012, Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller has spoken out for orthodoxy amid a chorus of opposing voices in the Vatican. This role became visible during the two Synods of the Family in 2014 and 2015 as he publicly opposed powerful clerics from his native Germany such as Cardinals Walter Kasper and Reinhard Marx.

    As the debate leading up to the Synods was taking place in late 2013 Cardinal Müller made a pre-emptive strike by stating unflinchingly that Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics is not possible. “If the prior marriage of two divorced and remarried members of the faithful was valid, under no circumstances can their new union be considered lawful, and therefore reception of the sacraments is intrinsically impossible,” he wrote, quoting Cardinal Josef Ratzinger.

    Shortly thereafter, Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga, chairman of the Pope’s private council of eight cardinals, publicly chastised Müller for being too strict on truth. “The world, my brother, the world is not like that. You should be a little flexible when you hear other voices, so that you not only listen and say, ‘No and here is the wall’.”

    In what may seem incredible now, in the middle of the two Synods Cardinal Müller said openly that the attempt to separate the Catholic Church’s teaching from her practice is “heresy.” In remarks to the International Theological Commission, reprinted in the Vatican newspaper in early December 2014, Müller said, “Each division between ‘theory’ and ‘practice’ of the faith would be a reflection of a subtle Christological ‘heresy.’”
    When Cardinal Marx, another member of the one of the Pope’s council of eight cardinal advisors, and head of the German Bishops Conference, went public saying that the German bishops would chart their own course on the question of allowing Communion for those in “irregular” sexual unions, Cardinal Müller condemned the proposal in no uncertain terms. “This is an absolutely anti-Catholic idea that does not respect the catholicity of the Church,” he said.
    He added that not even the papal Magisterium is free to change doctrine.“Every word of God is entrusted to the Church, but it is not superior to the Word,” he said. “The Magisterium is not superior to the word of God. The reverse is true.”
    During the period between the two Synods, as the Church seemed in confusion over doctrine, the Vatican doctrine chief took it upon himself to set the record straight. He gave multiple interviews and talks defending the traditional stance of the Church on the indissolubility of marriage and the catholicity of the Church. He warned of schism in the Church, and was frequently having to creatively interpret statements from the Pope that seemed to counter the doctrine of the Church.

    It was at this time that Cardinal Müller seemed to come under fire from sources connected to the Pope. In addition to the war of words with Cardinal Marx, papal biographer and Vatican specialist reporter Andrea Tornielli went after Cardinal Müller, questioning him on his corrections of the Pope.
    Muller admitted that he had had to correct the Pope theologically. “Pope Francis is not a 'professional theologian', but has been largely formed by his experiences in the field of the pastoral care, which is very different here with us [in the West],” he said. He characterized Francis’ reaction to his corrections this way: “That is what he [Pope Francis] has said already three or four times himself, publicly (laughs); and then he gave me a hug so that – as he said – the gossip ceases with regard to this matter.”
    Even after the publication of Amoris Laetitia, Cardinal Müller maintained that the Pope’s exhortation did not allow for Communion for Catholic remarried divorcees.He did so even in the face of the Pope’s signature on documents backing the opposite interpretation.
    It was then, in late 2016, that pressure on Cardinal Muller from Pope Francis became more palpable. Pope Francis unceremoniously ordered Cardinal Muller to dismiss three priests from their posts inside the CDF. According to one of the most noted Vatican reporters, when Muller questioned the Pope about the dismissal, the pope replied: “I am the pope, I do not need to give reasons for any of my decisions. I have decided that they have to leave and they have to leave.”
    In Vatican circles, speculation began about Vienna Cardinal Christoph Schonborn replacing Muller as head of the CDF. Sources close to the Cardinal suggest that Muller took such speculation seriously and sought to put a friendlier face on his relationship with Pope Francis. During this time he penned a book about Pope Benedict and Pope Francis in which he suggested there was only a difference of character between the two rather than a difference of doctrine.
    The book apparently did little to settle the matter.
    Rather than advising reporters seeking an interpretation of Amoris Laetitia to go to the Vatican doctrine chief, the Pope referred them to Cardinal Christoph Schonborn, whom he called a “great theologian who knows the doctrine of the Church.”
    Schonborn’s interpretation contradicted that of Muller’s, allowing in certain cases for Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics.
    Cardinal Muller stepped up his show of loyalty to the Pope with an overt challenge to the four dubia Cardinals – Raymond Burke, Joachim Meisner, Carlo Caffarra and Walter Brandmuller. Despite the fact that the dubia Cardinals were fighting for exactly the same interpretation of Amoris as Cardinal Muller was pushing, he publicly criticized them.
    Cardinal Müller told an Italian TV-channel in January 2017 that there was no need for a “fraternal correction” of the pope since the pope has not put the faith and Catholic teaching in danger. “The Pope is basically forced to answer with ‘yes or no’. I don’t like that,” he said.
    By May of this year, Müller had softened his stance against the dubia Cardinals, saying that they had asked "legitimate questions to the pope," but regretted that they were made public.
    And even though the Pope made it more and more and more clear that his interpretation of Amoris Laetitia was opposed to that of Cardinal Muller’s, the Vatican doctrine chief continues till now saying otherwise.

    In fact in yet another book released in February of this year Cardinal Muller suggests that not only must Amoris Laetitia be interpreted in light of the Church’s traditional teaching and discipline, he adds that the Pope has no authority to alter it.
    While Cardinal Muller may now lose his exalted post as guardian of the doctrine of the faith in the Catholic Church, he went down trying his best to maintain the faith despite personal attack. His calculated moves to retain his position were, we learn from those close to him, not made out of any desire for power, but only out of concern that a successor in his post less given to maintaining orthodoxy may do harm to the Church.

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    Via John Leary (yet to be approved)


    July 24, 2017:
    Jesus said: “My people, you are seeing a vision of demons attacking My Church, and you are wondering how can this be? I have told you that I will not allow the gates of hell to destroy My Church. I am allowing a coming division in My Church between a schismatic church and My faithful remnant. It is the faithful remnant that will be protected from the demons, and you will see this protection at My refuges. The Masons are infecting My Church with their heresies and lies. Avoid staying in any of the schismatic churches because they will be lost by their own free will. Remain faithful to My Commandments, and do not follow any evil laws of man that the devil has infected with his lies. You are seeing evil all over the world in abortions and the sexual sins. Your courts and governments have legalized abortion, homosexual marriages, and euthanasia. No matter how much your evil people claim that these things are legal, they are still mortal sins in My eyes, because My Commandments are not changeable. When you stand up against what is morally wrong, you will be persecuted for standing up for My Holy Name. Do not be afraid of the evil ones because I will protect you. Your good example will be a bright flame of truth that you will shine forth through the darkness of sin. Even if you may face being martyred for your faith, never deny Me before anyone. Your faith is a gift, and your soul desires to be with Me in heaven. Guard your soul against evil and cleanse it frequently in Confession.”



    July 25, 2017:
    Jesus said: “My people, I am giving you a second message about the evil ones who are entering My Church. In the vision you are seeing large evil demons attacking My Church on the altar. My faithful remnant are protected by My veil of invisibility. Any services in the schismatic church will not have a true Holy Communion, because they will not have the proper words of Consecration. This schismatic church will be teaching New Age, and it will be giving allegiance to the Antichrist. My faithful will be leaving these false churches to follow Me in their homes and eventually in their refuges. As this evil spreads, you will soon see My Warning to give all sinners an opportunity to change their lives. As the lives of My faithful are in danger, I will warn them that it is time to come to My refuges. Do not be afraid, but trust in My angels to protect you from the evil ones. My punishment will soon fall on the evil ones, as My victory will then cast the evil ones into hell, and My faithful will be brought into My Era of Peace.”




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cub View Post
    The Freemasons have infiltrated the Catholic Church (just like every other group on earth) to undermine it from within.
    No it hasn't, but thanks for this glaring example of ignorance.
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    The Great Schism coming soon....
    "At that time there shall arise Michael, the great prince, guardian of your people; It shall be a time unsurpassed in distress since nations began until that time." (Dn 12:1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cub View Post
    The Great Schism coming soon....
    This has been engineered and it is world wide, not limited to religion but all aspects of human life and all for the same reason, the enslavement of humanity, to be enthralled to the ungodly. I for one will not accept this
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    I think that the forthcoming Amazon Synod will be a watershed point in time.
    "At that time there shall arise Michael, the great prince, guardian of your people; It shall be a time unsurpassed in distress since nations began until that time." (Dn 12:1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cub View Post
    I think that the forthcoming Amazon Synod will be a watershed point in time.
    Via John Leary (yet to be approved)

    September 5, 2019:
    Jesus said: “My people, you are hearing rumors of the new agenda of the upcoming synod. If there are heretical proposals made, My people are not obligated to follow any heresy in My Church. I have warned you to have the ‘Catechism of the Catholic Church’ in your house so you can tell what is a heretical teaching. If such events happen, you could see the beginning of a schismatic church which you should avoid attending. Be aware of any changes so you can compare them to what My Church teaches in this catechism. Call on the Holy Spirit to help you discern what is right to follow.”





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