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    LET ME MAKE CLEAR, I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING HERE IS ACCURATE. I AM STILL PRO TRUMP UNTIL THERE IS NOTHING GOOD LEFT TO SAY, BUT VERY VERY DISTURBED WITH HIS AFGHANISTAN DECISION AS I OPINED ON ANOTHER THREAD. I AM REALLY AFRAID THAT WE HAVE LOST HIM TO THE GLOBALISTS, BUT WE'll SEE. This is from August 10


    The Truth About Donald Trump 
     
    By Chuck Baldwin
    August 10, 2017
     
    This column is written primarily in response to the way a host of televangelists, pastors, self-professing Christian talk show hosts, and Christian leaders are promoting Donald Trump as being a man of "bold Christian faith," a "Bible-believing Christian," a "modern Moses," a "modern John The Baptist," a "man for the Body of Christ," a "REAL Christian," etc., ad infinitum.
     
    Forgive me, but I’ve heard all of this before: back when G.W. Bush was President. One noticeable distinction between Bush II and Trump I is Bush truly did often publically express a personal faith in Jesus Christ--not that that made him a better President. If you ask me, G.W. Bush was one of America’s very WORST presidents--his Christian profession notwithstanding.
     
    In August of last year, I posted a list of the men I believe are America’s ten worst presidents on my Facebook page. If you are interested, here is my list:
     
    Chuck Baldwin Facebook Post - America's Ten Worst Presidents <
    http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/DesktopModules/LiveCampaign/Handlers/Request.ashx?c=154&l=1332194&ce=439466444>
     
    But at no time has Donald Trump made a public profession of faith in Jesus Christ. A bunch of reverends have claimed Trump has made such a profession, but we have never heard it from Trump himself. And, again, I am not judging his presidency on his religious profession or lack thereof. I judge a civil magistrate--any civil magistrate--on his or her fidelity to the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and principles contained in the Declaration of Independence. That’s it. I really don’t care what the magistrate calls him or herself or what religious label he or she goes by or even what political party they say they represent. I’m merely pointing out the fact that all of the hype about Trump’s Christian profession by these sycophantic, pandering preachers is mere propaganda. And THAT bothers me. I am afraid that these Christian "leaders" are setting America up for another long, bloody war.
     
    So, as a pastor with a national audience, it behooves me to say something.
     
    Because G.W. Bush claimed to be a believer in Jesus Christ, he absolutely could do no wrong in the eyes of America’s evangelical pastors and Christians. When he took America into two unconstitutional, illegal, and immoral wars, Christians cheered; when he bombed innocent men, women, and children in the name of the "war on terror," Christians cheered; when he created a brand new war doctrine--the preemptive war doctrine--Christians cheered; when he created a gigantic surveillance state and national police force, Christians cheered; when he filled his cabinet and administration with CFR globalists, Christians cheered; and when Bush partnered with Bill and Hillary Clinton in what can only be described as an international crime family, Christians, well, they looked the other way. Bush was a "born-again Christian," so he could do no wrong.
     
    Like I said, I’ve heard all of this before.
     
    Christians (and conservatives) completely overlooked the Bush family connections to Saudi Arabia; the Bush family connections to international drug running; the Bush family connections to globalist war traders and profiteers; and the Bush family connections to German Nazism and Italian fascism. Bush was a "Christian" and could do no wrong.
     
    And with Donald Trump in the White House, the televangelists, preachers, and Christian leaders are at it again. But here is what Christians are completely overlooking about Donald Trump.
     
    *Donald Trump spent his entire adult life scamming people out of billions of dollars.
     
    Trump's companies have filed for bankruptcy seven times, taking billions of dollars out of people’s pockets in the process. When Trump filed bankruptcy over the Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City, New Jersey, in 1991, he was $3 billion in debt. Other Trump bankruptcies involving the loss (for other people) of multiple billions of dollars include The Trump Castle in Atlantic City, Trump Plaza and Casino in Atlantic City, the Plaza Hotel in New York City, Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts in Atlantic City, and Trump Entertainment Resorts in Atlantic City (once in 2009 and again in 2014). Trump actually brags about these bankruptcies as being "good business." Speaking of his multiple bankruptcies, Trump gloated, "I don’t think it’s a failure; it’s a success."
     
    Doug Heller, the executive director of Consumer Watchdog, said Trump is the "most egregious, almost comical example" of the disparity between what the average American faces when going through bankruptcy and the "ease with which the very rich can move in and out of bankruptcy."
     
    Read this article to get the truth about the Trump bankruptcies:
     
    The Truth About The Rise And Fall Of Donald Trump’s Atlantic City Empire <http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/DesktopModules/LiveCampaign/Handlers/Request.ashx?c=154&l=1332195&ce=439466444>
     
    To this day, Trump brags about how "smart" he is as a businessman and shows absolutely no remorse over the billions and billions of dollars that he has bilked out of investors and partners. Shrewd, unscrupulous charlatans might view all of this as "good business," but it is hardly the mark of a Christian--or even an honorable man.
     
    *Donald Trump spent his entire adult life as a philandering playboy.
     
    Most everyone knows that Donald Trump has been married three times and has had innumerable sexual affairs. When Trump was deposed in the divorce with his first wife, Ivana, he invoked the 5th Amendment right to keep silent about his relationship with "other women" 97 times. He had an affair with his second wife Marla Maples while he was still married to Ivana.
     
    Regarding his current wife, Melania: "In 1999, shortly after they began dating, she participated in an on-air phone call with Trump and Howard Stern, as they discussed her chest, and whether she stole money from Donald’s wallet. When Stern asked to talk to ‘that broad in your bed,’ Trump put her on the line, and she spoke about how they had sex more than daily, and revealed that she was nearly nude. Stern replied, ‘I have my pants off already.’ Thanks to her relationship with Trump, she finally got her glossy-magazine spread--nearly naked in British GQ, handcuffed to a briefcase on a private jet, which Trump supplied. Managing the career moves of his companions was part of a pattern. While he was still married to Ivana, Trump pushed his girlfriend Marla Maples to pose nude in Playboy and reportedly negotiated the fee himself. (The deal fell through.)"
     
    "As Donald’s celebrity ballooned with The Apprentice, Melania was asked to tolerate even more [humiliation]. His public interchanges with Howard Stern, which provided a kind of Greek chorus to their relationship, went from lewdly objectifying to grotesque. He agreed with Stern that his daughter Ivanka was ‘a piece of a##.’ He joked that if Melania were in a horrible, mangling car crash he’d still love her as long as the breasts remained intact. When asked by Stern whether he’d be up for ‘banging 24-year-olds,’ Trump eagerly assented. Subsequent accusations suggest similar improprieties." (Source: Vanity Fair magazine, April, 2017)
     
    Trump’s lifelong immoralities, infidelities, and sexcapades cannot even be discussed in polite company.
     
    This is the cold, hard truth about who and what Donald Trump has been all of his life. The sleazy statement Trump was caught saying with Billy Bush during the presidential campaign last year was a revelation--not an aberration--of Trump’s personal life.
     
    There is absolutely NOTHING to suggest that Donald Trump even comprehends what honesty, integrity, fidelity, or wholesomeness even looks like.
     
    Oh, yes, and there is this:
     
    *Donald Trump spent his entire business life consorting with international crime syndicates and the Jewish mafia.
     
    One does not become an international casino tycoon without getting in bed with gangsters. The stories revealing Trump’s connections to global criminal enterprises are just now beginning to surface on the Internet. It’s not a pretty picture. If anything, the mainstream media has given Trump a pass so far on the real truth about Trump’s shady shenanigans. If Trump is removed from office, it will be because his past will have finally caught up with him--and because the globalists knew that they could use Trump and, due to his sordid past, take him down at any time. That’s how they work, folks.
     
    Months ago, I posted on my Facebook page that I expected Mike Pence would assume the presidency at some point. I still think that Pence is the one the globalists really want in the White House right now but knew he could not get there without Trump. The only question in my mind is whether Donald Trump is a witting or unwitting participant in the globalists’ scheme.
     
    Here was my Facebook post back on June 20:
     
    Chuck Baldwin Facebook Post - Mike Pence <http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/DesktopModules/LiveCampaign/Handlers/Request.ashx?c=154&l=1332196&ce=439466444>
     
    But I digress.
     
    "Last week, the United States’ Ninth Circuit Court addressed an ongoing case involving the city of Almaty, one of Kazakhstan’s most outspoken critics, and millions of dollars in American real estate--some of which is tied directly to the U.S. president.
     
    "As Courthouse News reported, the Ninth Circuit ‘revived a $300 million civil racketeering lawsuit’ from the city of Almaty against Viktor Khrapunov, the erstwhile Almaty mayor who, city representatives claim, invested millions in real estate abroad. The ruling reversed an earlier decision moving the lawsuit out of California, and allowed the suit to proceed in the state."
     
    "However, the relationship between Trump and Khrapunov may present the most serious, and certainly the strangest, wrinkle in relations between Astana and Washington moving forward. After all, despite the fact that Central Asian regimes have proven increasingly adept at pursuing governmental opponents abroad, they’ve never dealt with one who is a tenant of a building named after the sitting president.
     
    "It remains unclear how Kazakhstani officials will approach their case against Khrapunov, especially now that it’s been re-opened in the United States. But the case suddenly presents not simply a fascinating development in post-Soviet autocracies’ pursuit of critics abroad, but one with the additional obstacle of linking directly to the American president. Trump may have recently described Kazakhstan’s economic progress as a ‘miracle,’ and he may be completely unaware of his role in the ongoing Kazakhstan-Khrapunov saga, but Astana--along with U.S.-Central Asian relations--is stepping into unknown territory. The president, as of early April, may have little interest in the region but, as we’ve seen, things can change swiftly when it involves Trump’s properties."
     
    See the report:
     
    How Trump Is Connected To A Kazakh Corruption Scandal <http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/DesktopModules/LiveCampaign/Handlers/Request.ashx?c=154&l=1332197&ce=439466444>
     
    And Trump’s association with Jewish mafia billionaires--among whom Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner (Ivanka’s husband) and his family belong--is easily documented. I’m talking about men such as Alexander Mashkevich, Tevfik Arif (not Jewish by birth but a strong Zionist), Felix Henry Sater, and Lev Avnerovich Leviev. Look them up for yourself. Jewish Zionist Wilbur Ross (Bilderberg), whom Trump appointed as Secretary of Commerce, was one of the Jewish billionaire Rothschild bankers who bailed Trump out of one of his bankruptcies.
     
    This is the character of the man who sits in the White House. This is the character of the man who has his finger on the nuclear suitcase. This is the character of the man that our televangelists and Christian leaders are hailing as a "modern John the Baptist." This is the character of the man that Christians are expecting to "save" America.
     
    And now Trump has endorsed the establishment toady Luther Strange over Judge Roy Moore in the U.S. Senate race in Alabama. There is no finer Christian and no braver patriot than Roy Moore. I cannot think of another man in public office who more courageously took on the establishment than Judge Roy Moore. If Donald Trump truly wanted to drain the swamp in Washington, D.C., there is no man in the country who could better help him do it than Judge Moore. But Trump endorsed the establishment lackey Luther Strange. Regardless, Christian leaders, talk show hosts, and televangelists will still try to tell us what a wonderful Christian Donald Trump is. It is truly incredible!
     
    Does all of this mean that Donald Trump cannot and will not make some good decisions as our President? No! Not at all. If it’s true that Trump ordered the CIA to stop supporting the Syrian rebels, that was a very good decision. And I applaud Trump’s decision to ban transgenders from the U.S. military. My only question is why he didn’t ban all homosexuals from military service at the same time. Since the days of George Washington, the U.S. military has always deemed that homosexuality was "incompatible" with military service. And indeed it is. So, why did Trump stop with transgenders? Why did Trump leave that Barack Obama order allowing homosexuals to serve in the military intact? And for that matter, why doesn’t Trump undo Obama’s order putting women in combat units and on submarines?
     
    I am told by trusted, Christian attorney friends that Trump’s justice department is advocating against cases that provide legal preferences on the basis of aberrant sexual behavior. I applaud Trump for this. Trump has taken a public stand in support of the Second Amendment. I applaud Trump for this. I applaud Trump for making it difficult for manufacturing companies to relocate overseas and for keeping jobs in and bringing jobs back to the United States. I applaud Trump for drawing attention to our illegal immigration problem--albeit I strongly object to the way Trump inserted religion into the debate. And I don’t like walls. The Berlin Wall was not built to keep people out; it was built to keep people IN.
     
    It is way too early to applaud Trump for his Supreme Court appointment Neil Gorsuch. Like so many of Trump’s appointees, Gorsuch is CFR. That makes it very doubtful that Gorsuch will be faithful to constitutional government. And, as I have said before, for the most part, Gorsuch is untested on the issues that really matter. So, we’ll see.
     
    There are several other decisions Trump has made that I could likewise applaud. G.W. Bush made some good decisions too. But that doesn’t change who Bush was or who Trump is.
     
    For Christian leaders, televangelists, and "Christian" talk show hosts to make Trump into a "modern John the Baptist" and refuse to deal with the true nature of this man we call President is the height of gullibility and irresponsibility.
     
    Was Hillary Clinton any better? Of course not. Are people to be blamed for voting for Donald Trump? Not at all. Although I will say that if Christian leaders, pastors, conservative pundits, talk show hosts, etc., would be more honest and objective during the primary elections--and if they had a better understanding of constitutional government, liberty principles, sound money principles, Natural Law, etc.--we would not always be forced to choose between the "lesser of two evils" every general election. But, again, I digress.
     
    Believe it or not, this column is not intended as an anti-Trump rant. Instead, it is an honest, truthful analysis of the man we elected President of the United States. It IS intended to be a wake-up call for my Christian brethren across the country to GET REAL.
     
    The only way to truly gauge the character of a person is by their track record. The track record of Donald Trump is not pretty. But he is the President. Accordingly, we should support him when his decisions are constitutional, and we should oppose him when his decisions are not constitutional--and we should pray that he doesn’t take us into World War III. But the last thing in the world we should be doing--at least the last thing Christians should be doing--is making him out to be a "modern John the Baptist" and the like.
     
    No wonder so many people think Christians are stupid.


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    There's no doubt God knows what he's doing. Only time will tell if Trump is on the side of the people, or the globalists. Some things are promising, some things are questionable. The jury is still deliberating, and likely will for some time, as the game is played out. The game of life and death, will it be measured by the hundreds of millions, or billions of deaths. It appears to be coming quickly, that's for sure. Repent, the end is near. Come Lord Jesus
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    Network with those who prepare wisely and take advantage of the strength in numbers and the economy of scale.

    Then, when the curtains come down and the truth is evident to an informed citizenry, we unite and fight the new world order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ractivist View Post
    There's no doubt God knows what he's doing. Only time will tell if Trump is on the side of the people, or the globalists. Some things are promising, some things are questionable. The jury is still deliberating, and likely will for some time, as the game is played out. The game of life and death, will it be measured by the hundreds of millions, or billions of deaths. It appears to be coming quickly, that's for sure. Repent, the end is near. Come Lord Jesus
    Very well said!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ractivist View Post
    There's no doubt God knows what he's doing.
    Indeed, well said, ractivist! Your next sentence then, alludes me. Is God on the 'side' of the people or on the side of the globalists? Dumb question, I know. Our 'faith' is in God, not in man, especially not in the man, Donald trump. however, I differ with Baldwin and others who think character can only be judged by the past, or that it cannot be changed. In fact, I had a discussion with someone yesterday about this very topic. God can change a character in an instant or in time...I noted the Apostle Paul whose name was Saul before his "change". Most of us realize that Trump is "God's man" for such a time as this for our country, so our "fate" as a country is hitched to him, as for where he leads us, or where God steers the heart of a 'king'.

    I am comforted in all this by at least two things regarding Trump. The first is a friend of mine's testimony, who told me that over 22 years ago, God spoke to him, saying "Wait till I play My Donald Trump card." and the second is the prophecy from Kim Clement who prophesied of Trumps election back in 2006 or 7, I think, and included the item that Trump would be filled with God's Spirit sometime after his inauguration. I trust God. May His will be done and may His Kingdom come.

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    Thanks for posting the article, Laura. I have no way of knowing if all the things Chuck said about Trump are true or not. I will still believe that God is the one who appointed Trump for this position of power, whether it's for our good, or for our destruction. It's still too soon to tell........Having said that, I think we, as Christians, should never ever place all our hopes and trust in a man to solve our nation's problems. The problems of this nation come from a heart sickness. Only God can heal it.

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    About Chuck Baldwin and his attack on Donald Trump and Melania's past. I do not know how much of what Chuck Baldwin says is true, but as far as I know, Donald Trump has changed. Since I don't know the President personally, I can not say that he is still who he was in his past. I just know how I see him today.

    Chuck Baldwin must not know that some of us never forget the things he has said in HIS past. Right now after reading the OP, he looks like a full blown hypocrite to me. Does he change his mind when he decides to support someone he once accused of supporting murder? I think so. So he forgets the past (like Ron Paul's stand then and now) when he wants to, and remembers the past of those he wants to take down.

    Here is what 'Pastor' Chuck Baldwin has to say about anyone who supports the abortion pill called "The Morning After Pill.'


    The “Morning After” Pill: Another Republican Sponsored Disaster!

    Published: Tuesday, January 20, 2004
    http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/797/The-Morning-After-Pill-Another-Republican-Sponsored-Disaster.aspx
    ~Snip~
    Furthermore, just as the federal government's promotion of "Plan A" (condoms) has resulted in a substantial rise in promiscuity and venereal disease so will its promotion of "Plan B" (the "morning after" pill.) Without understanding its intrinsic risks and even how it actually works, women (and girls) will attempt to use the "morning after" pill as simple contraception. The results will be devastating.

    Many women who are medically at risk for taking the drug will experience numerous serious side effects. Many will become murderers by deliberately inducing the deaths of their own babies. Others will take the pill too late and will then opt to get a late term abortion. All in all, the "morning after" pill seems destined to be the latest Republican sponsored disaster!

    Here is what Ron Paul had to say about the same "Morning After Pill' From On The Issues" in 2012

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Ron_Paul_Abortion.htm
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    GINGRICH: When government provides a morning-after abortion pill [under ObamaCare], you inevitably move towards tyranny.

    PAUL: Actually, the morning-after pill is nothing more than a birth control pill, so if you legalize birth control pills, you really can't separate the two. They're all basically the same, hormonally.....


    Source: CNN's 2012 GOP Debate on eve of Arizona Primary , Feb 22, 2012
    And Ron Paul in 2011 concerning 'The Morning After Pill' that Chuck Baldwin calls a murderous pill...
    ~Snip~
    These very early pregnancies could never be policed, regardless. Such circumstances would be dealt with by each individual making his or her moral choice.
    Source: Liberty Defined, by Rep. Ron Paul, p. 5 , Apr 19, 2011
    Here is 'Pastor' Chuck Baldwin on Ron Paul in 2012 after accusing people like him in 2004 of becoming murderers by deliberately inducing the deaths of their own babies. Now Baldwin wants to take down President Trump for his past?

    THE AGE OF RON PAUL By Chuck Baldwin
    August 23, 2012

    NewsWithViews.comThis weekend, I will be a speaker at the giant "PAUL Festival" taking place in Tampa, Florida. Some of the most notable liberty-minded constitutionalists in the country will also be speaking. It is going to be quite a gathering. See the Paul Festival website here.
    With the PAUL Festival fresh on my mind, I am reminded of a column written by Juan Williams at TheHill.com. Before referencing Mr. Williams' fine column, it should be no surprise to readers of this column of my undying respect and support for the man who has inspired the PAUL Festival (and so much more):
    Congressman Ron Paul of Texas. In 2008, I actively campaigned for Dr. Paul's Presidential campaign in South Carolina, Alabama, Florida, and Iowa. I have written numerous columns in support of the man I call The Greatest Congressman In US History. I have spoken on the same platform with Congressman Paul on more than one occasion and consider him a true American statesman.
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    Thanks for that, Lavender. Enough said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmatic View Post
    Thanks for that, Lavender. Enough said.
    The implication of Lavender's post seems to be that Ron Paul is deserving of criticism (or condemnation as the case may be) because he (correctly) identified the "morning after pill" as directly analogous to birth control pills, as opposed to being analogous to actually having an abortion. I suppose if someone is opposed to birth control of any kind, then that would be "enough said" to criticize and/or condemn another on, but I would say that most conservatives don't see abortion and birth control as analogous, especially if the person being discussed (Ron Paul) has a life-long history of being pro-life, backed up not only by his words throughout his life, but by the fact that as an OB/GYN doctor, he delivered thousands of babies and never once performed an abortion. To imply that he is pro "choice" or a hypocrite, because he delineates a factual and moral difference between abortion and birth control, seems hardly "enough said" to this observer. It seems overly-judgmental at best to me.

    As to Chuck Baldwin's statements about the "morning after" pill being tantamount to murder, it seems clear to this reader that when he said it, he misunderstood what the pill actually does. I have no idea if he's informed himself what it does at this point or not, but when he said what Lavender quoted him saying, at that time he clearly thought that it chemically-induced an abortion of an already-conceived fetus. Lavender's antipathy for Ron Paul should not prevent her from deferring to his status as an OB/GYN doctor's expertise on that score, and Baldwin's misunderstanding of how a given pill or procedure actually works should not be the basis of determining that he's a "full blown hypocrite." A misunderstanding can fairly easily be corrected with good and accurate information. A hypocrite lacks something in their character, not good and accurate information.

    Rather than being "enough said," it might be the case that too much is said or implied in Lavender's post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
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    Rather than being "enough said," it might be the case that too much is said or implied in Lavender's post.

    Blues
    Thanks, Blues. I'm not sure I understood the implications in either Lavender's post or yours. What I meant by the comment "enough said" was...enough said by me! I had wanted to say more, but I stopped meself.

    My take on Lavender's post was challenging a bit, Baldwin's take, on stuff. That, just because he is a 'pastor' and has leanings toward upholding the Constitution, that his opinions may or may not be "right". Did i miss something, Lavender?

    Certainly, I think I understand that you would agree with Baldwin, Blues, as you have pointed out often in some of the posts I've read from you, your opinion of trump and those who may support him.

    As to abortion and pills, I am not a doctor, but I think a pill that kills a baby, in my view, is murder. Do you disagree?

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    Good, bad, or ugly, Trump is still orders of magnitude BETTER THAN HILLARY!

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