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    Default Massive section of Western Wall and Roman theater uncovered after 1,700 years

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    Massive section of Western Wall and Roman theater uncovered after 1,700 years
    Sought for 150 years, the remarkable discovery of the small theater changes archaeologists' perceptions of Roman-conquered Jerusalem after the fall of the Second Temple

    By Amanda Borschel-Dan
    October 16, 2017

    Archaeologists are one step closer to solving the riddle of what took place in Jerusalem following the destruction of the city by Romans in 70 CE.

    Israel Antiquity Authority archaeologists announced Monday that for the past two years they have been excavating and exposing a massive eight-meter deep section of Jerusalem’s Western Wall, unseen for 1,700 years.

    And in the course of their work, which has been quietly proceeding directly beneath Wilson’s Arch — the area immediately adjacent to the men’s section of the Western Wall — they unexpectedly discovered a small Roman theater. The dig has not encroached under the Temple Mount.

    During the two years of excavations, a new reinforced floor was constructed so as not to interrupt daily worship at Judaism’s holiest site for prayer.

    The work is set to continue for another six months, and the expectation is that First Temple-era findings will be uncovered. When the work is completed, the site will be opened to the public.

    At a subterranean press conference Monday in the Western Wall tunnel complex, archaeologists Dr. Joe Uziel, Tehillah Lieberman and Dr. Avi Solomon contextualized the discovery of the theater structure directly below Wilson’s Arch as a never-before-seen window into daily public life in the newly Roman-conquered city.

    “The discovery of the theater-like structure is a real drama,” said Uziel.

    In the 1860s, British surveyor and archaeologist Charles William Wilson was the first to seek such a theater in the vicinity of the Western Wall. The small 200- to 300-seat theater, whose existence is noted by Josephus Flavius and other ancient sources but which has eluded Jerusalem excavations for some 150 years, is the first rediscovered example of a Roman public building in Jerusalem, archaeologists said.

    In 70 CE, the Second Temple was razed along with most of the Jewish settlement of Jerusalem. In its place, the Roman colony Aelia Capitolina was established and named after the Roman god Jupiter and the emperor Hadrian (also known as Aelius), who began reconstructing the city in 130 CE. Following the bloody Bar Kochba Revolt of circa 132–136 CE, Jews were banned from the capital aside from on Tisha B’Av, a day of mourning commemorating the destruction of the Temple.

    The archaeologists dated the layers of their excavations via pottery typification and coin dating, as well as new high-tech carbon-14 techniques. The final results of the C14 tests will only be known in another few months, but, said Uziel, the theater “dates pretty solidly to the late Roman period.”

    The team expects to continue excavations until next spring. Uziel said while he cannot know what still lies beneath, he expects to reach First Temple-period remains.

    Ahead of Monday’s press event, Rabbi Shmuel Rabinovitch, rabbi of the Western Wall and the holy places, said, “We have a great deal of archaeological work ahead and I am certain that the deeper we dig, the earlier the periods we will reach, further anchoring the profound connection of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and to Jerusalem.”

    Bread and circus in razed Jerusalem

    Built in a classical Roman style, the theater is located under Wilson’s Arch, which serves as its roof. The arch is the only visible, extant structure remaining from the Temple Mount compound. During the Second Temple period, the arch was used as a walkway-bridge for worshipers entering the compound. The space under the Wilson’s Arch pedestrian bridge was used for a road, shops, and water drainage, said archaeologists.

    Today, eight meters above the theater, this area adjacent to the Western Wall plaza is used for prayer, which could be clearly heard during the press event on Monday morning.

    The area under the arch was damaged in a massive earthquake circa 360 CE. Jerusalem residents, concerned the arch would collapse, deliberately covered the spacious area with dirt and debris — thereby also covering all remnants of the theater for some 1,650 years. The latest date on an excavated coin is 380 CE, said archaeologist Solomon.

    The discovery of this new theater-structure points to a conquered Roman city in flux: The road’s paving stones were used for benches, and the drainage duct, which archaeologists believe connects with the nearby City of David drainage tunnel, was lowered to make way for the stadium seating which leans against the Western Wall.

    What is also interesting, said Uziel, is that it appears that the theater was not fully finished. The stairs are not fully hewn and there are rocks that have guide marks but weren’t fully carved. He speculated that perhaps the Bar Kochba Revolt interrupted its construction. According to the IAA, previous excavations of the Eastern Cardo and Western Wall Plaza provide additional evidence of unfinished buildings from this period.

    Hints of continued use of Temple Mount

    The theater and other finds from previous excavations give “a hint” into the importance of the Temple Mount following the fall of the Second Temple, said Solomon.

    Solomon, who 15 years ago in adjacent excavations discovered a Roman public latrine, said that many cities conquered or established by the Romans throughout North Africa and Europe (in Greece, Bulgaria, and Turkey, among others) display four elements: a latrine, a public bath, a theater, and a temple. There are examples in Israel too, he said, such as in the Roman city Beit Shean, where the bath house is adjacent to the temple, as well as in Jarash in Jordan.

    While there is as yet no concrete evidence of a Roman temple on the Temple Mount, Solomon said there is mounting evidence of Roman-era habitation of the site — through finds discovered at the Temple Mount Sifting Project, including Roman legion jewelry and dice.

    “What happened on the Temple Mount between the destruction of the Second Temple and the Muslim period is one of the riddles we have yet to solve,” said co-excavator Uziel. He said that while some suggest there was a Temple of Jupiter there, there is no evidence because there have been no scientific excavations on the Temple Mount.

    “But we do know that the arch still stood and functioned as a bridge,” said Uziel, which leads one to believe there was “something to go to,” he said.

    Follow the paving stone road

    The archaeologists discovered the theater as they were searching for the known Second Temple road. Standing amid the rubble and stadium seating of the theater structure, archaeologist Lieberman said they started to find flat stones and thought they’d reached the road. But then the stones began to appear to curve. Realizing this was no road, she joked, “What is this, a traffic circle?”

    Realizing they’d discovered the theater, Lieberman said the archaeologists’ entire understanding of the whole Roman city changed.

    “Now we saw there was leisure, entertainment under Wilson’s Arch,” said Lieberman, calling it an “unbelievable” discovery.

    She said at this point it is unclear whether the structure served as an odeon (a small acoustic roofed theater) or a bouleuterion (a city council), or even perhaps both. As the stadium seating abuts the Western Wall, Lieberman noted that the backs of the audience would face the Temple Mount, perhaps hinting at the unimportance of the site to the Roman audience.

    Lieberman said the site will eventually be made open for the public as part of the Western Wall Heritage Foundation’s Western Wall Tunnel Tour.

    Lieberman said the archaeologists hope that the water drainage system can be connected to the one visited by tourists at the City of David, which currently ends at Robinson’s Arch in the southern section of the Western Wall.

    The archaeologists’ findings, including a more in-depth look at their high-tech dating system, will be presented to the public for the first time at the conference “New Studies in the Archaeology of Jerusalem and its Region,” to be held this week in Jerusalem at the Hebrew University.
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    Interesting find BOB, thanks,

    For discussion purposes only:

    There is some debate, as to the location of the last Temple. Most say the Temple Mount. And thousands of people have believed that for a long time. (For my part I don't have a problem with that) On the other side of the debate it is believed the Temple was in the City of David which would place it just south of the Temple Mount on a small peninsula there.

    I'm wondering if they don't find any artifacts from the Temple, in this present dig, will that move the thinking to the south?

    One of the reasons I follow this is, that peninsula is already owned, without debate from the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims and the Jews could build their Temple without a war. I know the Jews want their Temple in the right place, and I agree that they should. Forget what the Muslims say, or think, or the repercussions there of.

    Just wondering. Thoughts?
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    I can very easily see how this could be the spark that starts the push to examine the southern site closer. If it really is the true site of the 2nd Temple, then things change drastically and almost overnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladin1
    I can very easily see how this could be the spark that starts the push to examine the southern site closer. If it really is the true site of the 2nd Temple, then things change drastically and almost overnight.
    It could. Done a lot of reading on the subject, and there is a growing number of archeologists who believe that the Western Wall is the retaining wall of the old Roman garrison, not the Temple. They believe that the Temple site is in the Old City of David south of the Temple Mount area. No one disputes that Israel owns this land area. Whether this is true or not remains to be seen. I don't know, myself.

    If it is true, then the remains of Roman artifacts and such where they are digging are from the Roman garrison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladin1 View Post
    I can very easily see how this could be the spark that starts the push to examine the southern site closer. If it really is the true site of the 2nd Temple, then things change drastically and almost overnight.
    You're right it would. Also considering that "they" have a lot of ......stuff (no offense intended) already built, or constructed off site, so to speak.

    However, it is going to be a really big hurtle to cross, to move the site of the Temple, when all these many years they thought it was on the Mount. And the confirmation of which ever site it will be, unless something dramatic shows up, may still take a while.

    For that cautiousness I commend the Jews. They want it to be right.
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    You're all not getting it. Josephus spoke of this theatre near the western wall. This provides very strong evidence that this is indeed the Temple wall, not as if they needed it. There is so much known of this location that the fact that it is the temple site is a no brainer.
    But what weapons can you use to dispossess someone who will not accept anything except Holy Scripture interpreted according to his own rules?...Where Lutheranism reigns, learning dies. They seek only two things: good pay and a wife. The gospel offers them the rest — that is, the power of living as they please.

    I understand now how Arius and Tertullian and Wickliff were driven into schism by malicious clergy and wicked monks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiskey Reb
    You're all not getting it. Josephus spoke of this theatre near the western wall. This provides very strong evidence that this is indeed the Temple wall, not as if they needed it. There is so much known of this location that the fact that it is the temple site is a no brainer.
    Not trying to be dogmatic about this, WR. I just thought I would throw that out for discussion, since it is being talked about. I, in no way, am denying that the Temple Mount is the rightful place of the Temple. Nothing I have read has persuaded me otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiskey Reb View Post
    You're all not getting it. Josephus spoke of this theatre near the western wall. This provides very strong evidence that this is indeed the Temple wall, not as if they needed it. There is so much known of this location that the fact that it is the temple site is a no brainer.
    Wiskey, did Josephus speak of this theatre near the so-called western Wall, or abutting it? I have a copy of his work, but, sadly, await, still, the time and inclination to read it all.

    My opinion of the Western Wall is that it cannot be part of the old temple, because Jesus said not one stone would be left upon the other. Unless, of course, there is yet, further destruction ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmatic View Post
    Wiskey, did Josephus speak of this theatre near the so-called western Wall, or abutting it? I have a copy of his work, but, sadly, await, still, the time and inclination to read it all.

    My opinion of the Western Wall is that it cannot be part of the old temple, because Jesus said not one stone would be left upon the other. Unless, of course, there is yet, further destruction ahead.
    Read Antiquities, book 15, chapter 11, section 5. It describes it specifically being against the western wall. It's fine to have that opinion, but remember, the western wall is not the temple itself, it is the western wall of the temple mount. The temple itself is gone. There is so much that has been identified that it is very hard to dispute anymore. All those who, in years past, claimed it as being elsewhere have been thoroughly debunked by ongoing excavations and studies.
    But what weapons can you use to dispossess someone who will not accept anything except Holy Scripture interpreted according to his own rules?...Where Lutheranism reigns, learning dies. They seek only two things: good pay and a wife. The gospel offers them the rest — that is, the power of living as they please.

    I understand now how Arius and Tertullian and Wickliff were driven into schism by malicious clergy and wicked monks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherree View Post
    Not trying to be dogmatic about this, WR. I just thought I would throw that out for discussion, since it is being talked about. I, in no way, am denying that the Temple Mount is the rightful place of the Temple. Nothing I have read has persuaded me otherwise.
    Thanks for clarifying that. This discovery is another nail in the coffin of all the alternative temple mount theories. The theater is precisely as Josephus wrote. There is no alternative to the fact that Al Aqsa will have to go.
    But what weapons can you use to dispossess someone who will not accept anything except Holy Scripture interpreted according to his own rules?...Where Lutheranism reigns, learning dies. They seek only two things: good pay and a wife. The gospel offers them the rest — that is, the power of living as they please.

    I understand now how Arius and Tertullian and Wickliff were driven into schism by malicious clergy and wicked monks.

    (Erasmus regarding Luther and the church, 1527, 1529)

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