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    Mueller Grasps At Straws As Flynn Deal Disproves Election Collusion

    by ZeroPointNow
    Dec 1, 2017 4:12 PM


    This whole charade with former National Security Advisor Mike Flynn reeks of desperation and makes clear that Mueller's team has an empty hand...

    To summarize the plea agreement from the FBI Special Counsel’s “Statement of the Offense


    • On December 29, 2016, Flynn called a senior official of the Presidential Transition Team to discuss whether or not to talk to the Russians about recent U.S. sanctions imposed by Obama.
    • Flynn got the go-ahead from someone (does not name Trump) and called the Russian Ambassador, requesting that Russia not escalate the situation – asking that they only respond to the U.S. sanctions in a reciprocal manner.
    • On or about December 30 – the next day, Russian President Vladimir Putin released a statement indicating that Russia would not take retaliatory measures in response to U.S. sanctions.
    • Flynn lied about this on January 24 in a voluntary interview with the FBI
    • Flynn also lied to the FBI about calls he made to the Russian Ambassador and other countries to try and influence a UN resolution submitted by Egypt regarding Israeli settlements, stating he only asked the countries’ positions on the vote


    ABC news takes it a step further, reporting from an anonymous source that “Donald Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians, initially as a way to work together to fight ISIS in Syria.” - though NBC News reports it was Trump's son-in-law and advisor Jared Kushner.

    Observation and takeaways


    • The fact that Flynn spoke with the Russians in December, well after the election, has been known since February.
    • Mueller’s “Statement of Offense” establishes is that there wasn’t an existing backchannel between the Trump campaign and Russia – at least through Flynn, as it pertains to pre-election collusion.
    • It’s perfectly reasonable to expect an incoming President to instruct his incoming National Security Advisor to establish a dialogue with a country like Russia over recent and contentious sanctions, as well as fighting ISIS in Syria.
    • If Flynn’s contact with Russia was related to “collusion” in regards to election meddling, he would be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy, not the “process crime” of lying to the FBI..
    • If Flynn were to now drop some new bombshell about greater Russian collusion, he would have lied to the FBI twice.

    Grand irony: the underlying action that Flynn now admits he lied to the FBI about was urging de-escalation with a nuclear power, which is now no longer permissible pic.twitter.com/Vh4Nxz0nWK
    — Michael Tracey (@mtracey) December 1, 2017


    As Andrew McCarthy of the National Review points out;
    when a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme. This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme. In his guilty-plea allocution (the part of a plea proceeding in which the defendant admits what he did that makes him guilty), the accomplice explains the scheme and the actions taken by himself and his co-conspirators to carry it out. This goes a long way toward proving the case against all of the subjects of the investigation. That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime.

    So why lie?

    Why would Flynn lie about his contact with the Russians in late January, five days after the Inauguration? Was it because the nation had been whipped into an anti-Russia frenzy? Or, as some have suggested, does the rabbit hole go much deeper and there are aspects of the Trump-Russia story that haven’t been made public yet? Again, if that were known, Flynn would be pleading guilty to a much more serious crime.

    That said, Flynn is facing a whopping six months in prison and a fine of up to $9,500 for lying to the Special Counsel.



    Who’s next?

    President Trump’s son-in-law and senior advisor, Jared Kushner, told the Senate Intelligence Committee that he asked Russia’s Ambassador whether the Trump transition team could use Russia’s embassy to communicate with Moscow about Syria.

    The meeting with the ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, “occurred in Trump Tower, where we had our transition office, and lasted twenty [to] thirty minutes,” Kushner wrote in an 11-page statement detailing his contacts with Russian nationals during the election and transition period.

    “Lt. General Michael Flynn (Ret.), who became the President’s National Security Advisor, also attended … I stated our desire for a fresh start in relations.”

    Kushner said Kislyak, whose tenure in the US ended this past weekend, asked whether there was “a secure line in the transition office to conduct a conversation” about the US’s Syria policy.

    “General Flynn or I explained that there were no such lines,” Kushner wrote. But he said he went on to ask whether the Russian Embassy “had an existing communications channel … we could use where they would be comfortable transmitting the information they wanted to relay to General Flynn.” –Business Insider

    And now it emerges that Kushner allegedly asked Flynn to contact the Russian Ambassador…
    BREAKING: Jared Kushner is the “very senior member of the Presidential Transition Team” mentioned in the statement of offense against Michael Flynn, two people familiar with the matter tell @NBCNews https://t.co/4ZLASVAX9b
    — NBC News (@NBCNews) December 1, 2017

    So – unless there’s more than meets the eye, it appears that the coverup is far greater than the crime in regards to Flynn’s decision to lie to the FBI. And whatever the outcome, the hard bounce in the S&P 500 would seem to suggest this is perhaps another nothingburger and not quite the end of Drumpf.

    The end of Drumpf? ???????? pic.twitter.com/rxoqWyfFTv
    — ZeroPointNow (@ZeroPointNow) December 1, 2017

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    From The Archives: Obama Administration Confirms "No Problem" With Flynn Contacting Foreign Officials

    by Tyler Durden
    Dec 2, 2017 5:30 PM


    As we detailed yesterday, ABC was forced to retract an epic mistake in their reporting that claimed contact between Trump staff (Flynn) and Russian officials 'druing the campaign' - correcting it to point out that it was in fact 'during the transition'.

    President Trump tweeted his perspective, confirming the new 'facts' from ABC...

    I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 2, 2017

    CNN were quick to mock the White House for saying that the Obama administration approved Flynn's contacts
    (and found someone all too eager to go on TV and attack their claims)... (via The Hill)

    The White House said on Friday that it was the Obama administration that authorized former national security adviser Michael Flynn's contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during President Trump's transition, according to CNN.

    Flynn pleaded guilty on Friday to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Kislyak in the month before Trump took office, the first current or former Trump White House official brought down by special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russia's election meddling.

    James Clapper, who served as the Director of National Intelligence under Obama, said that the claim that the Obama administration authorized Flynn's contacts with Kislyak was "absurd," adding that the administration was concerned by the communications at the time.
    “That’s absurd. That’s absolutely absurd," Clapper said on CNN.
    Okay, James Clapper seems pretty clear that the Obama White House did not okay Flynn's shenanigans. pic.twitter.com/lEmGHJhquN
    — Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) December 1, 2017

    Confused yet?


    So, given all the confusion, here is a clarifying source free of all possible bias - the Obama administration's State Department - confirming Trump and Flynn's story, and crushing Clapper's continued lies...from the archives:
    Obama State Dept: We have no problem with General Flynn and the incoming administration contacting foreign officials pic.twitter.com/FwZDaHU8lO
    — Jack Posobiec ???????? (@JackPosobiec) December 2, 2017

    Transcript for the hard of hearing:
    REPORTER: "This building [the Obama State Department] doesn't see anything necessarily inapprorpiate in contact between members of the incoming [Trump] administration and foreign officials, no matter what country they're from?"

    OBAMA STATE DEPT SPOKESPERSON: "No, no...and again this has been ongoing. We have no problem with them doing such on their own."
    Well, that's going to ruin a few talking points for tomorrow's Sunday morning political shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Achilles View Post
    From The Archives: Obama Administration Confirms "No Problem" With Flynn Contacting Foreign Officials

    by Tyler Durden
    Dec 2, 2017 5:30 PM


    As we detailed yesterday, ABC was forced to retract an epic mistake in their reporting that claimed contact between Trump staff (Flynn) and Russian officials 'druing the campaign' - correcting it to point out that it was in fact 'during the transition'.

    President Trump tweeted his perspective, confirming the new 'facts' from ABC...

    I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 2, 2017

    CNN were quick to mock the White House for saying that the Obama administration approved Flynn's contacts
    (and found someone all too eager to go on TV and attack their claims)... (via The Hill)

    The White House said on Friday that it was the Obama administration that authorized former national security adviser Michael Flynn's contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during President Trump's transition, according to CNN.

    Flynn pleaded guilty on Friday to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Kislyak in the month before Trump took office, the first current or former Trump White House official brought down by special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russia's election meddling.

    James Clapper, who served as the Director of National Intelligence under Obama, said that the claim that the Obama administration authorized Flynn's contacts with Kislyak was "absurd," adding that the administration was concerned by the communications at the time.
    “That’s absurd. That’s absolutely absurd," Clapper said on CNN.
    Okay, James Clapper seems pretty clear that the Obama White House did not okay Flynn's shenanigans. pic.twitter.com/lEmGHJhquN
    — Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) December 1, 2017

    Confused yet?


    So, given all the confusion, here is a clarifying source free of all possible bias - the Obama administration's State Department - confirming Trump and Flynn's story, and crushing Clapper's continued lies...from the archives:
    Obama State Dept: We have no problem with General Flynn and the incoming administration contacting foreign officials pic.twitter.com/FwZDaHU8lO
    — Jack Posobiec ???????? (@JackPosobiec) December 2, 2017

    Transcript for the hard of hearing:
    REPORTER: "This building [the Obama State Department] doesn't see anything necessarily inapprorpiate in contact between members of the incoming [Trump] administration and foreign officials, no matter what country they're from?"

    OBAMA STATE DEPT SPOKESPERSON: "No, no...and again this has been ongoing. We have no problem with them doing such on their own."
    Well, that's going to ruin a few talking points for tomorrow's Sunday morning political shows.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...eign-officials
    HAHAHAHA!!

    Excellent. Just superb. Clapper can go piss up a rope.
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    Flynn lied to the FBI under oath..

    Nothing illegal about contact with foreign gov'ts..

    How much contact was there with the Clinton campaign and ambassadors??

    MSM ignoring this contact...

    This is part of the Anti-Trump resistance...

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