Quote Originally Posted by jimmyb View Post
Data is manipulated according to the viewpoint being expressed..
I think its foolish to say we have no impact on the environment around us and just as foolish to say we are solely to blame.
Do you have information showing data manipulation from both sides of the viewpoint that you think is being addressed?

FWIW, the concept of "blame" is a big part of the problem. As we are part of the environment, and not interlopers upon it, we are defacto impacts. As are polar bears, vulcanism, the sun, etc... that's a given within a scientific view. The climate changes, of that there is no doubt, and it isn't a matter of blame. An intelligent approach is to figure out how to survive and thrive within a changing climate, instead of synthesizing some sort of "blame" to mitigate instead. That's why so many of us resent the AGCC cult, they "blame" humanity for climate change, using fabricated doctrine and matters of faith with which to condemn us.

Their intent to focus on "blame" means that when the environment changes in a big way that they still can't reliably predict, and our existence is truly endangered, they will have squandered precious time and energy that could have been used for actual species protection.