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    December 20, 2017

    What Might Civil War Be Like?

    By E.M. Cadwaladr


    The thought of Civil War has been in the minds of many people lately, on both sides of the political and cultural divide. This is not a thing to be wished for, though no one should kid themselves into believing it’s impossible either. Let us take a sober look at what such a conflict might entail.

    To begin with, it would not look like the first American Civil War, which was essentially a war between two regions of the country with different economic interests. The divide created two separate countries, both initially contiguous, intact, and relatively homogeneous. The lines of demarcation now are only somewhat regional, and tend to correspond to differences between urban and rural populations, as well as differences of race and class. A second American Civil War would be much more similar to the Spanish Civil War, with the leftists dominating the cities and conservatives controlling the countryside. Conflicts of this nature, with enemies mixed geographically, are a formula for spontaneous mass bloodletting. India-Pakistan during the 1947 partition comes to mind as another modern example. Given an absence of legitimate government and the friction of proximity, ordinary people can be moved to settle grievances by killing one another without the need for governments to egg them on.

    Some dimensions of a future civil war would be, I think, largely unprecedented. When lesser countries have imploded in violence in recent times, they have done so with most of the world around them still intact. There were other nations to offer aid, assistance and intervention, welcome or unwelcome. There were places for refugees to go. The collapse of the world’s remaining superpower would take much of the world down with it. A global economic crisis would be inevitable. The withdrawal of American forces from bases across the world to fight at home would also create a power vacuum that others, even under economic strain, would be tempted to exploit. Whichever side gained control of our nuclear arsenal, our status as a nuclear power would probably persuade other nations not to interfere in our conflict militarily, but the collapse of trade alone would produce crippling effects that would be hard to overestimate. Many components for products our manufacturing sector makes are globally sourced. Add to this the breakdown of our transportation system, dependent on oil and transecting one new front line after another. The internet would fail. It is a frail enough now. Financial systems would fail. What happens if the banks find half their assets suddenly in hostile territory? All Federal government functions, including Social Security, would fail, many of them losing their very legitimacy to one side or the other. Food production, heavily dependent on diesel fuel, chemical fertilizers and pesticides, not to mention a steady supply of genetically engineered seeds, would slump alarmingly. In short, most things we depend on are now held together by a network of delicate and complex connections. Without those connections, would you have a job? If so, in what medium of exchange could your employers manage to pay you?
    What would there be for you to buy? Does your town, your county, or even your state have the ability to marshal its resources into a viable economy? How many people in those entities could deal with anything worse than a weather disaster, in which they count on the fact that help is coming soon?




    From an economic perspective, I think it is fair to say that the left would have a bigger problem than the right. Cities cannot feed themselves under any conditions, and what food could be grown on America’s resource-starved farms would be gobbled up by people nearer and dearer to the farmers. Leftists would have to both secure vast territories around their urban strongholds and relearn from scratch the generations-lost art of food production. Liberal enclaves stranded in the hinterland would simply be untenable. We, on the other hand, would be critically short of new Hollywood movies. Without a steady supply of the works of Meryl Streep and Matt Damon, millions of conservatives would instantly drop dead from boredom – that is, according to Meryl Streep.

    Up through the middle of the 20th century, cities were major hubs of industry, but liberal preoccupations with environmentalism have driven much of our surviving industry into rural areas. The domination of the South by the sheer scale of Northern industry that happened in the 1860s would not repeat itself in a future war. Both sides would probably have the means to manufacture basic military essentials, but producing sophisticated items like fighter planes would be simply too complex for the remaining economic base. It would be a war of soldiers, not of million-dollar robots. Were the war to stretch into years, the left would likely destroy their own economy with unfettered socialistic policies. This actually happened to the Spanish Republic in the 1930s. I can image their modern counterparts struggling to make eco-friendly weapons and organize culturally-sensitive, politically-correct collective farms.

    Militarily, the left has other problems. They have saddled themselves with a longstanding disdain for military history and thought. A mob of whiney, untrained Antifa or BLM protestors doth not an army make. In recent decades, the left has sought not so much to co-opt the military as to rot it from within. When your idea of a military hero is Bowe Bergdahl or Bradley “call-me-Chelsea” Manning, it is evident that you’ve planned to fight your battles exclusively in the movies. The officer corps, or the part of it that’s worth the name, is ours. Although the left probably has a certain pool of minority ex-soldiers to draw on, I doubt they have a single general officer that still has his original issue genitalia. I’ll take a Texan and a Tar Heel against a metrosexual and a social justice warrior any day -- while admitting that the latter might conduct a far more colorful parade. Much would depend on how the military happened to fragment, but even if one side or the other got the lion’s share of it there simply aren’t enough soldiers in the armed forces to garrison the entire country. More troops would have to be raised, equipped, and trained.

    The right would probably win a real war, for all the reasons I have sketched above. I suspect it wouldn’t take the three years to decide the issue that it took in Spain, but predicting a short war has usually proven to be a fool’s occupation. Long or short, tens of millions of people would likely starve to death before war and reconstruction were over -- far more than would die in actual fighting. Having seen a person starve to death, it is not a fate I’d wish on friends and family members -- or even on my enemies. It might be, after all the legal shenanigans are done, the necessary cost of keeping western society alive -- but it would be no heroic action movie.

    Utopian ideologies die hard. War is hell.


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    I essentially agree with your most excellent assessment. But may I add a bit to this 2nd Civil War whimsy? Let's mix in the blacks who would probably side with the govt. so the Stamps keep coming; the Muslims who will side with no one but would be unleashed here; the mexicans and immigrants who would fight for their 'own' lands in Cali, AZ, NM and Tx and then you have the 'X' factor. This is the one nobody sees coming. It could be an invasion, pandemic even a nuke strike. All in all, it probably would have the same impact as an EMP would have: 90% dead within the first year. heaux heaux heaux, prep and pray, the end has arrived.

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    Television is conditioning us for that though with series like The Walking Dead


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    Who is going to fight whom and where and for what? In 1861, there were identifiable sides, geographically separate, with different cultures. Now we are much more intermixed. We also have a gigantic government that is armed to the teeth and ready to stomp on anybody who tries to start something. I think something would have to happen that changes the reach of the government before any sort of civil war could occur. There is too much friction to start the slide as things are.
    The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order, and in the assertion that, without authority, there could not be worse violence than that of authority under existing conditions. [...] But it will be instituted only by there being more and more people who do not require protection from governmental power, and by there being more and more people who will be ashamed of applying this power.

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    I've often stopped and wondered about folks who keep shouting, "Bring it on".

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    No Worries it ain't gonna happen. Just some more doom and gloomers posting for the heck of it cause nothing else with satisfy them. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherree View Post
    I've often stopped and wonder about folks who keep shouting, "Bring it on".
    Probably those who do not know what war really is like.
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    We'll find out soon enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pastor Guest
    Probably those who do not know what war really is like.
    Probably. I cringe every time I hear someone say that a "blood and guts" revolution is our only answer to this country's woes. Others may disagree.

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    Everyone has a plan until they are punched in the mouth. Years ago I encouraged folks to read about the Spanish Civil War, which oddly enough started After the Stalinists took power, and quickly ruined the nation's agricultural and business economy plunging Spain into famine. When the Commies Lost power they launched a nation wide attack 30 days later murdering Priests and Nuns as well as unarmed Govt workers. The ensuing war was actively supported by the Soviets with heavy weapons, even troops and just like today the European Press endorsed the lie that this was a Civil War. Sounds all to similar to today's events does it not?
    One of the most effective tactics used by the Commies was the mass enslavement of strategic cities, the enslavement of it's populations and forced labor, often followed by mass executions. The country side fell victim to roving "armies", more murderous bands, that stripped the land, enslaved farms, and filled more mass graves.
    In CW2 American cities will become battlegrounds for any number of reasons, the initial attacks will take-out infrastructure and the nation will devolve into Spain/Iran. Fighters and weapons will come in from north and south as well as fly "UN Personal" into cities like Chicago; muslims will align with the Globalist elite as a means of gaining arms and logistic support, they will make-up many of the commando teams in the initial assaults then linger to spread terror in the cities and countryside to a lesser extent. Citizen militia will form around tribal lines, families, school sports teams, religion, ethnic, geographic orientation, but they will be very, very slow to get formed, trained and supported and transported to conflict zones. There will also be a huge propaganda effort on the part of the LIMPs.
    I do not discount WMD attacks on centers of conservative population.
    It's going to be a very bad period in US history
    They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
    "You think a wall as solid as the earth separates civilisation from barbarism. I tell you the division is a sheet of glass."
    John Buchan, 1st Baron Tweedsmuir of Enfield (1875-1940): Author and Diplomat

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