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    Some facts about why the general populace should be armed.
    And, the same facts shoot down the gun-control group's intent to confiscate legally owned guns.
    But, most importantly, it is unconstitutional for them to confiscate legally owned guns or infringe on a citizen's right to own a gun.

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    Myth: Concealed carry doesn’t prevent crimes

    Fact: News reports tell many stories of armed civilians preventing mass murder in public. A few selected at random include:

    • A citizen with a gun stopped a knife-wielding man as he began stabbing people in a Salt Lake City store.
    • Two men retrieved firearms from their cars and stopped a mass murder at the Appalachian School of Law.
    • Citizen takes out shooter while police were pinned down in Early, Texas.
    • Citizen stops apartment shoot-up in Oklahoma City.

    Myth: Concealed carry laws increase crime

    Fact: Forty-three states, comprising the majority of the American population, are “right-to-carry” states – thirty-six are “shall issue” states where anyone without a criminal record will be issued a permit, and seven states require no permit. In 1988 there were only ten “right-to-carry”. Statistics show that in these states the crime rate fell (or did not rise) after the right-to-carry law became active (as of July, 2006). Seven states are “may issue” states where it is nearly impossible to obtain a Concealed Carry of Weapon (CCW) permit.
    Fact: Gun homicides were 10% higher in states with restrictive CCW laws, according to a study spanning 1980-2009. 1
    Fact: Crime rates involving gun owners with carry licenses have consistently been about 0.02% of all carry permit holders since Florida’s right-to-carry law started in 1988. 2
    Fact: After passing their concealed carry law, Florida’s homicide rate fell from 36% above the national average to 4% below. 3
    Fact: In Texas, murder rates fell 50% faster than the national average in the year after their concealed carry law passed. Rape rates fell 93% faster in the first year after enactment, and 500% faster in the second. 4 Assaults fell 250% faster in the second year. 5
    Fact: More to the point, crime is significantly higher in states without right-to-carry laws. 6
    Type of Crime % Higher in
    Restrictive States
    Robbery 105%
    Murder 86%
    Assault 82%
    Violent Crime 81%
    Auto Theft 60%
    Rape 25%
    Fact: States that disallow concealed carry have violent crime rates 11% higher than national averages. 7
    Fact: Deaths and injuries from mass public shootings fall dramatically after right-to-carry concealed handgun laws are enacted. Between 1977 and 1995, 8 the average death rate from mass shootings plummeted by up to 91% after such laws went into effect, and injuries dropped by over 80%. 9
    Myth: Right-To-Carry laws increase violent crime 13-15%

    Fact: This rather miserable working paper is a wellspring of bad methodology, which might explain why it was not (as of July 2017) published in a peer reviewed journal.
    Myth: Concealed carry permit holders shoot police

    Fact: The Violence Policy Center started listing instances of CCW holders shooting police. 10 From May 2007 through November 2009 (2.5 years) they recorded nine police deaths, three in one mass killing by a white supremacist using an AK-47 rifle. Of the nine, five had yet to be tried or convicted as of the date of their report.

    Myth: People with concealed weapons licenses will commit crimes

    State 11 Licenses issued Revoked licenses % Revoked Violent Crime Rate Change 12
    Florida 1,327,321 13 4,129 0.3% -30.5%
    Virginia 50,000 14 0 0.0% -21.9%
    Arizona 63,000 15 50 0.9% -28.7%
    North Carolina 59,597 16 1,274 1.2% -26.4%
    Minnesota 46,636 17 12 0.03% 8.0% 18
    Michigan 155,000 19 2,178 0.1% 1.4%
    Fact: The results for the first 30 states that passed “shall-issue” laws for concealed carry licenses are similar.
    Fact: In Texas, citizens with concealed carry licenses are 14 times less likely to commit a crime. They are also five times less likely to commit a violent crime. 20
    Fact: People with concealed carry licenses are: 21

    • 5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public
    • 13.5 times less likely to be arrested for non-violent offenses than the general public

    Fact: Even gun control organizations agree it is a non-problem. One said about Texas, “because there haven’t been Wild West shootouts in the streets”. 22
    Fact: Of 14,000 CCW licensees in Oregon, only 4 (0.03%) were convicted of the criminal (not necessarily violent) use or possession of a firearm.









    Fact: “I’m detecting that I’m eating a lot of crow on this issue … I think that says something, that we’ve gotten to this point in the year and in the third largest city in America there has not been a single charge against anyone that had anything to do with a concealed handgun.” 23
    Fact: In Florida, a state that has allowed concealed carry since late 1987, you are twice as likely to be attacked by an alligator as by a person with a concealed carry permit. 24
    Myth: 460 people have been killed by CCW permit holders

    Fact: The “study” by gun control group Violence Policy Center covers a six year span, meaning that at worst there is an average of 76 shootings of all types per year, including justifiable homicides.
    Fact: As of 2017, there are over 14,500,000 CCW holders, 25 meaning the worst case kill rate (justifiable or not) is 0.003% of all CCW holders.
    Myth: Concealed guns in bars will cause violence

    Fact: In Virginia, in the first year where CCW holders were allowed to carry in bars, the number of major crimes involving firearms at bars and restaurants statewide declined 5.2% The crimes that occurred during the law’s first year were relatively minor. 26
    Myth: Texas CCW holders are arrested 66% more often

    Fact: Most arrests cited are not any form of violent crime (includes bounced checks or tax delinquency). 27
    Fact: The Violence Policy Center “study” only includes arrests, not convictions.
    Fact: Many of these arrests in this premature VPC “study” came in the early years of Texas CCWs when the law was not understood by most of the law enforcement community or prosecutors.
    Fact: Compared to the entire population, Texas CCW holders are about 7.6 times less likely to be arrested for a violent crime. 28 The numbers breakdown as follows:

    • 214,000 CCW holders 29
    • 526 (0.2%) felony arrests of CCW holders that have been adjudicated
    • 100 (0.05%) felony convictions

    Fact: A different study concludes that the four year violent crime arrest rate for CCW holders is 128 per 100,000. For the general population, it is 710 per 100,000. In other words, CCW holders are 5.5 times less likely to commit a violent crime. 30
    Fact: “I lobbied against the law in 1993 and 1995 because I thought it would lead to wholesale armed conflict. That hasn’t happened. All the horror stories I thought would come to pass didn’t happen. No bogeyman. I think it’s worked out well, and that says good things about the citizens who have permits. I’m a convert.” 31
    Fact: “It has impressed me how remarkably responsible the permit holders have been.” 32
    Myth: CCWs will lead to mass public shootings

    Fact: Multiple victim public shootings drop in states that pass shall-issue CCW legislation. 33
    Fact: CCW holders have prevented or curtailed mass public shootings – Pearl, Mississippi (Pearl Junior High School), Edinboro, Pennsylvania (Parker Middle School), Winnemucca, Nevada (Players Bar and Grill), Colorado Springs, Colorado (New Life Church).
    Fact: Of all the alternatives to preventing mass public shootings, police officers believe that civilian concealed carry is the most effective.” 34
    Myth: People do not need concealable weapons

    Fact: In 80% of gun defenses, the defender used a concealable handgun. A quarter of the gun defenses occurred in places away from the defender’s home. 35
    Fact: 77% of all violent crime occurs in public places. 36 This makes concealed carry necessary for almost all self-defense needs. But due to onerous laws forbidding concealed carry, only 26.8% of defensive gun uses occurred away from home. 37
    Fact: Often, small weapons that are capable of being concealed are the only ones usable by people of small stature or with physical disabilities.
    Fact: The average citizen doesn’t need a Sport Utility Vehicle, but driving one is arguably safer than driving other vehicles. Similarly, carrying a concealable gun makes the owner — and his or her community — safer by providing protection not otherwise available.
    Fact: 56% of Americans say more concealed weapons would make country safer. 38 Millions of Americans have concealed carry permits, and this doesn’t include people who carry in states that do not require permits.
    Myth: Police and prosecutors are against concealed carrying by citizens

    Fact: In a survey of 15,000 officers, 91% said concealed carry should be permitted citizens “without question and without further restrictions.” 39
    Fact: 66% of police chiefs believe that citizens carrying concealed firearms reduce rates of violent crime. 40
    Fact: “All the horror stories I thought would come to pass didn’t happen …I think it’s worked out well, and that says good things about the citizens who have permits. I’m a convert.” 41
    Fact: “I … [felt] that such legislation present[ed] a clear and present danger to law-abiding citizens by placing more handguns on our streets. Boy was I wrong. Our experience in Harris County, and indeed statewide, has proven my fears absolutely groundless.” 42
    Fact: “Virginia has not turned into Dodge City. We have not seen a problem.” 43
    Fact: “The concerns I had – with more guns on the street, folks may be more apt to square off against one another with weapons – we haven’t experienced that.” 44
    Fact: “… to the best of my knowledge, we have not had an issue. I had expected there would be a lot more problems … But it has actually worked out.” 45
    Fact: “Coming from California [where he was on the Los Angeles police force for 28 years], where it takes an act of Congress to get a concealed weapon permit, I got to Maine, where they give out lots of carrying concealed weapon permits, and I had a stack of CCW permits I was denying; that was my orientation. I changed my orientation real quick. Maine is one of the safest places in America. Clearly, suspects knew that good Americans were armed.” 46
    Fact: Explain this to the Law Enforcement Alliance of America, Second Amendment Police Department, and Law Enforcement for the Preservation of the Second Amendment, all of whom support shall-issue concealed carry laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RossLunch View Post
    Some facts about why the general populace should be armed.
    And, the same facts shoot down the gun-control group's intent to confiscate legally owned guns.
    But, most importantly, it is unconstitutional for them to confiscate legally owned guns or infringe on a citizen's right to own a gun.

    http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control...ncealed-carry/
    Concealed Carry


    Myth: Concealed carry doesn’t prevent crimes

    Fact: News reports tell many stories of armed civilians preventing mass murder in public. A few selected at random include:

    • A citizen with a gun stopped a knife-wielding man as he began stabbing people in a Salt Lake City store.
    • Two men retrieved firearms from their cars and stopped a mass murder at the Appalachian School of Law.
    • Citizen takes out shooter while police were pinned down in Early, Texas.
    • Citizen stops apartment shoot-up in Oklahoma City.

    Myth: Concealed carry laws increase crime

    Fact: Forty-three states, comprising the majority of the American population, are “right-to-carry” states – thirty-six are “shall issue” states where anyone without a criminal record will be issued a permit, and seven states require no permit. In 1988 there were only ten “right-to-carry”. Statistics show that in these states the crime rate fell (or did not rise) after the right-to-carry law became active (as of July, 2006). Seven states are “may issue” states where it is nearly impossible to obtain a Concealed Carry of Weapon (CCW) permit.
    Fact: Gun homicides were 10% higher in states with restrictive CCW laws, according to a study spanning 1980-2009. 1
    Fact: Crime rates involving gun owners with carry licenses have consistently been about 0.02% of all carry permit holders since Florida’s right-to-carry law started in 1988. 2
    Fact: After passing their concealed carry law, Florida’s homicide rate fell from 36% above the national average to 4% below. 3
    Fact: In Texas, murder rates fell 50% faster than the national average in the year after their concealed carry law passed. Rape rates fell 93% faster in the first year after enactment, and 500% faster in the second. 4 Assaults fell 250% faster in the second year. 5
    Fact: More to the point, crime is significantly higher in states without right-to-carry laws. 6
    Type of Crime % Higher in
    Restrictive States
    Robbery 105%
    Murder 86%
    Assault 82%
    Violent Crime 81%
    Auto Theft 60%
    Rape 25%
    Fact: States that disallow concealed carry have violent crime rates 11% higher than national averages. 7
    Fact: Deaths and injuries from mass public shootings fall dramatically after right-to-carry concealed handgun laws are enacted. Between 1977 and 1995, 8 the average death rate from mass shootings plummeted by up to 91% after such laws went into effect, and injuries dropped by over 80%. 9
    Myth: Right-To-Carry laws increase violent crime 13-15%

    Fact: This rather miserable working paper is a wellspring of bad methodology, which might explain why it was not (as of July 2017) published in a peer reviewed journal.
    Myth: Concealed carry permit holders shoot police

    Fact: The Violence Policy Center started listing instances of CCW holders shooting police. 10 From May 2007 through November 2009 (2.5 years) they recorded nine police deaths, three in one mass killing by a white supremacist using an AK-47 rifle. Of the nine, five had yet to be tried or convicted as of the date of their report.

    Myth: People with concealed weapons licenses will commit crimes

    State 11 Licenses issued Revoked licenses % Revoked Violent Crime Rate Change 12
    Florida 1,327,321 13 4,129 0.3% -30.5%
    Virginia 50,000 14 0 0.0% -21.9%
    Arizona 63,000 15 50 0.9% -28.7%
    North Carolina 59,597 16 1,274 1.2% -26.4%
    Minnesota 46,636 17 12 0.03% 8.0% 18
    Michigan 155,000 19 2,178 0.1% 1.4%
    Fact: The results for the first 30 states that passed “shall-issue” laws for concealed carry licenses are similar.
    Fact: In Texas, citizens with concealed carry licenses are 14 times less likely to commit a crime. They are also five times less likely to commit a violent crime. 20
    Fact: People with concealed carry licenses are: 21

    • 5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public
    • 13.5 times less likely to be arrested for non-violent offenses than the general public

    Fact: Even gun control organizations agree it is a non-problem. One said about Texas, “because there haven’t been Wild West shootouts in the streets”. 22
    Fact: Of 14,000 CCW licensees in Oregon, only 4 (0.03%) were convicted of the criminal (not necessarily violent) use or possession of a firearm.









    Fact: “I’m detecting that I’m eating a lot of crow on this issue … I think that says something, that we’ve gotten to this point in the year and in the third largest city in America there has not been a single charge against anyone that had anything to do with a concealed handgun.” 23
    Fact: In Florida, a state that has allowed concealed carry since late 1987, you are twice as likely to be attacked by an alligator as by a person with a concealed carry permit. 24
    Myth: 460 people have been killed by CCW permit holders

    Fact: The “study” by gun control group Violence Policy Center covers a six year span, meaning that at worst there is an average of 76 shootings of all types per year, including justifiable homicides.
    Fact: As of 2017, there are over 14,500,000 CCW holders, 25 meaning the worst case kill rate (justifiable or not) is 0.003% of all CCW holders.
    Myth: Concealed guns in bars will cause violence

    Fact: In Virginia, in the first year where CCW holders were allowed to carry in bars, the number of major crimes involving firearms at bars and restaurants statewide declined 5.2% The crimes that occurred during the law’s first year were relatively minor. 26
    Myth: Texas CCW holders are arrested 66% more often

    Fact: Most arrests cited are not any form of violent crime (includes bounced checks or tax delinquency). 27
    Fact: The Violence Policy Center “study” only includes arrests, not convictions.
    Fact: Many of these arrests in this premature VPC “study” came in the early years of Texas CCWs when the law was not understood by most of the law enforcement community or prosecutors.
    Fact: Compared to the entire population, Texas CCW holders are about 7.6 times less likely to be arrested for a violent crime. 28 The numbers breakdown as follows:

    • 214,000 CCW holders 29
    • 526 (0.2%) felony arrests of CCW holders that have been adjudicated
    • 100 (0.05%) felony convictions

    Fact: A different study concludes that the four year violent crime arrest rate for CCW holders is 128 per 100,000. For the general population, it is 710 per 100,000. In other words, CCW holders are 5.5 times less likely to commit a violent crime. 30
    Fact: “I lobbied against the law in 1993 and 1995 because I thought it would lead to wholesale armed conflict. That hasn’t happened. All the horror stories I thought would come to pass didn’t happen. No bogeyman. I think it’s worked out well, and that says good things about the citizens who have permits. I’m a convert.” 31
    Fact: “It has impressed me how remarkably responsible the permit holders have been.” 32
    Myth: CCWs will lead to mass public shootings

    Fact: Multiple victim public shootings drop in states that pass shall-issue CCW legislation. 33
    Fact: CCW holders have prevented or curtailed mass public shootings – Pearl, Mississippi (Pearl Junior High School), Edinboro, Pennsylvania (Parker Middle School), Winnemucca, Nevada (Players Bar and Grill), Colorado Springs, Colorado (New Life Church).
    Fact: Of all the alternatives to preventing mass public shootings, police officers believe that civilian concealed carry is the most effective.” 34
    Myth: People do not need concealable weapons

    Fact: In 80% of gun defenses, the defender used a concealable handgun. A quarter of the gun defenses occurred in places away from the defender’s home. 35
    Fact: 77% of all violent crime occurs in public places. 36 This makes concealed carry necessary for almost all self-defense needs. But due to onerous laws forbidding concealed carry, only 26.8% of defensive gun uses occurred away from home. 37
    Fact: Often, small weapons that are capable of being concealed are the only ones usable by people of small stature or with physical disabilities.
    Fact: The average citizen doesn’t need a Sport Utility Vehicle, but driving one is arguably safer than driving other vehicles. Similarly, carrying a concealable gun makes the owner — and his or her community — safer by providing protection not otherwise available.
    Fact: 56% of Americans say more concealed weapons would make country safer. 38 Millions of Americans have concealed carry permits, and this doesn’t include people who carry in states that do not require permits.
    Myth: Police and prosecutors are against concealed carrying by citizens

    Fact: In a survey of 15,000 officers, 91% said concealed carry should be permitted citizens “without question and without further restrictions.” 39
    Fact: 66% of police chiefs believe that citizens carrying concealed firearms reduce rates of violent crime. 40
    Fact: “All the horror stories I thought would come to pass didn’t happen …I think it’s worked out well, and that says good things about the citizens who have permits. I’m a convert.” 41
    Fact: “I … [felt] that such legislation present[ed] a clear and present danger to law-abiding citizens by placing more handguns on our streets. Boy was I wrong. Our experience in Harris County, and indeed statewide, has proven my fears absolutely groundless.” 42
    Fact: “Virginia has not turned into Dodge City. We have not seen a problem.” 43
    Fact: “The concerns I had – with more guns on the street, folks may be more apt to square off against one another with weapons – we haven’t experienced that.” 44
    Fact: “… to the best of my knowledge, we have not had an issue. I had expected there would be a lot more problems … But it has actually worked out.” 45
    Fact: “Coming from California [where he was on the Los Angeles police force for 28 years], where it takes an act of Congress to get a concealed weapon permit, I got to Maine, where they give out lots of carrying concealed weapon permits, and I had a stack of CCW permits I was denying; that was my orientation. I changed my orientation real quick. Maine is one of the safest places in America. Clearly, suspects knew that good Americans were armed.” 46
    Fact: Explain this to the Law Enforcement Alliance of America, Second Amendment Police Department, and Law Enforcement for the Preservation of the Second Amendment, all of whom support shall-issue concealed carry laws.


    This data has been peer review and summarily ignored as the leftist must make the public understand that armed civilians are a danger and threat to public safety.

    The do not desire effective counter measures to armed threats of innocents as when that occurs they lose the most valuable tool to attempt to disarm the nation.

    They will slowly strangle the right to not be infringed and if allowed it will die the death of a thousand lashes.

    The precedent has been established. Now it's just a matter of time, public influence through anti-gun propaganda and ignoring the benefit of being an armed nation.

    It's about control and always has been.


    Interesting that when comparing numbers to trained law enforcement, one's risk of being victimized by a concealed carry permit holder or a LEO is higher with the LEO. But both are very small an much less than just an ordinary citizen.
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    Thanks Ross Lunch, great article. I saved the article and may e-mail it to my representatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RamRoddoc View Post
    This data has been peer review and summarily ignored as the leftist must make the public understand that armed civilians are a danger and threat to public safety.

    The do not desire effective counter measures to armed threats of innocents as when that occurs they lose the most valuable tool to attempt to disarm the nation.

    They will slowly strangle the right to not be infringed and if allowed it will die the death of a thousand lashes.

    The precedent has been established. Now it's just a matter of time, public influence through anti-gun propaganda and ignoring the benefit of being an armed nation.

    It's about control and always has been.



    Interesting that when comparing numbers to trained law enforcement, one's risk of being victimized by a concealed carry permit holder or a LEO is higher with the LEO. But both are very small an much less than just an ordinary citizen.

    It's about control and always has been.
    ^^^^^^
    That is exactly right.
    They can't control an armed nation and they know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike n Ree View Post
    Thanks Ross Lunch, great article. I saved the article and may e-mail it to my representatives.
    You are very welcome.
    And a copy to the representative is a good idea.
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    I should have added to the original post that the numbers interspersed throughout the OP are footnotes that backup the facts.
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    Just as a little caveat to the article about MS not needing a permit.

    Open carry is permitted without a permit, however, businesses, government offices etc. will ask you, and have the legal right to, take it off, or don't come in.

    Conceal carry permit is not required for any woman, who has it in her purse, note not in a holster under blouse. In which case she will need a permit.

    Conceal carry permit is not required for a man, if he carries it in his briefcase, or in a man bag. If in a holster under shirt, on your belt, a permit is required.

    So the "not needing a permit" for the state of MS has some restrictions.

    Just for clarity.
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