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    Why Democrats Would Lose the Second Civil War, Too

    Kurt Schlichter
    Posted: Mar 12, 2018 12:01 AM



    It’s obvious that the central tenet of the Democrat Party platform is now hatred and contempt for Normal Americans. Taking their cue from the elites in Europe and Canada who are stripping dissenters of their free speech rights and religious freedoms, the leftist elite is moving to solidify its hold on power here with the eager assistance of tech companies and the moral support of the Fredocons who yearn to return to pseudo-relevance as the ruling class’s slobberingly loyal opposition. In California, the leftist government is practically firing on Fort Sumter. And nationally, these aspiring fascists are especially eager to disarm Normal Americans – doing so would be an object lesson in who’s the boss, as well as solving that frustrating problem of the Normals having the ability to resist.

    Probably because I’ve spent time where they actually had a civil war, many people ask me – people whose names you know – whether I think this turmoil will all end in a Second Civil War. They are seriously concerned, and not without cause – the left’s hatred for Normal Americans and its dedication to totally stripping the people who are the backbone of this country of their ability to participate in their own governance is threatening to rip the country apart.

    Do I think there will be a civil war? No, but there could be. This is the Age of Black Swans, and anything is possible – we could easily see the country split into red and blue. Civil war is unlikely, but never underestimate Democrat stupidity and hatred. The Schlichter family learned that lesson a century and half ago, the last time the Democrats decided to try to impose their hatred of basic human rights on the rest of the country, when an army of Democrats burned our family hometown.

    Oh, they paid for it. And they would pay again. Democrats are 0-1 in insurrections, and if they went for another round, they would be 0-2. It’s a matter of terrain, numbers, and morale.

    Democrats, who think history began when Obama was elected, don’t understand the dangerous game they are playing when they talk about how they want to impose their brown shirt vision upon red America. The keyboard commandos of the left seek to hand wave away the massive strategic challenge of imposing control by force upon a well-armed, decentralized citizenry occupying the vast majority of the territory, so they babble about drones and tanks as counterinsurgency trump cards. But there are no trump cards in war. There are men, with rifles, standing on patches of dirt, killing the people trying to push them off. That’s the ugly reality of war. And multiply the usual brutality of war by ten when it’s a civil war.

    There are two Civil War II scenarios, and the left is poorly positioned to prevail in either one. The first scenario is that the Democrats take power and violate the Constitution in order to use the apparatus of the federal government to suppress and oppress Normal Americans. In that scenario, red Americans are the insurgents. In the second scenario, which we can even now see the stirrings of in California’s campaign to nullify federal immigration law, it is the blue states that are the insurgents.

    The Democrats lose both wars. Big time.

    Let’s talk terrain and numbers. Remember the famous red v. blue voting map? There is a lot of red, and in the interior the few blue splotches are all cities like Las Vegas or Denver. That is a lot of territory for a counter-insurgent force to control, and this is critical. The red is where the food is grown, the oil pumped, and through which everything is transported. And that red space is filled with millions of American citizens with small arms, a fairly large percentage of whom have military training.

    Remember what two untrained idiots did in Boston with a couple of pistols? They shut a city down. Now multiply that by several million, with better weapons and training.

    Let’s look at the counter-insurgent forces in the Democrat oppression scenario should they attempt to misuse our law enforcement and military in an unconstitutional manner to take the rights of American citizens. There are a lot of civilian law enforcement officers, but the vast majority of the agencies are local – sheriffs, small town police departments. They will not be reliable allies in supporting unlawful oppression of their friends and neighbors. The major cities’ police departments are run by Democrat appointees, so the commands would be loyal. But the rank-and-file? A small percentage would be ideologically loyal. More would be loyal because that’s their paycheck – they could be swayed or intimidated to support the rebels. Others would be actively sympathetic to the insurgents. This is true of federal law enforcement agencies as well.

    And the military? Well, wouldn’t the military just crush any resistance? Not so fast. The military would have the combat power to win any major engagement, but insurgents don’t get into major engagements with forces that have more combat power. They instead leverage their decentralized ability to strike at the counter-insurgents’ weak points to eliminate the government’s firepower advantage. In other words, hit and run, and no stand-up fights.

    For example, how do a bunch of hunters in Wisconsin defeat a company of M1A2 Abrams tanks? They ambush the fuel and ammo trucks. Oh, and they wait until the gunner pops the hatch to take a leak and put a .30-06 round in his back from 300 meters. Then they disappear. What do the tanks do then? Go level the nearest town? Great. Now they just moved the needle in favor of the insurgents among the population. Pretty soon, they can’t be outside of their armored vehicles in public. Their forces are spending 90% of their efforts not on actual counter-insurgency operations but on force protection. Sure, they own their forward operating bases, and they own a few hundred meters around them wherever they happen to be standing at the moment, but the rest of the territory is bright red. As my recent novel illustrates, American guerillas with small arms are a deadly threat to the forces of a dictatorship.

    But the military is so big it would overwhelm any rebels, right? Well, how big do you think the military is? And, more importantly, how many actual boots on the ground can it deploy? Let’s put it in terms of brigade combat teams, which total about 4,500 troops each. There are about 60 brigades in the Army, active and reserve, here and abroad, and let’s give the Marines another 10 brigades, for about 70 brigades. Sounds impressive. But that’s deceptive.

    Let’s put aside a big consideration – the existence of red states that would provide for an insurgent government structure and possibly attract the loyalty of some National Guard and even federal brigades. For example, if President Hillary Clinton put down her chardonnay long enough to sign a ban on privately owned guns, it’s not unreasonable to expect the governor of Texas to reject federal authority – after all, California just taught us that this is totally cool. But in this case, look for several brigades located there to hoist the Lone Star flag.
    So, now the blue states are facing unconventional and conventional forces.

    Let’s ignore that problem and focus on a different challenge. Even a normal unit has about 10% non-deployable members. Now, if these troops were assigned to combat operations against other Americans, you would have significant additional losses through desertion. Many of the senior leaders would participate – the Obama generation – and there is a certain type of junior officer only too happy to curry favor by sucking up in defiance of their oath (which is to the Constitution, not to some leftist president). You can identify them because they usually have “strategist” in their Twitter bios. But a lot of key, capable officer and NCO leaders, and enlisted troops, would vanish. That is proper. It is a violation of their oath to unconstitutionally oppress fellow Americans; their duty would be to refuse such unlawful orders.

    So, you have significantly understrength units going in. Now, how many of the troops in a brigade are actually even front line combat troops? About a third – the rest are support. So a brigade is really about 1500 riflemen tops before you count losses. Cut those in half for sleep, training, and refitting at any one time (which is very generous) and your brigade is really 750 troops on your best day with everyone showing up. Realistically, it’s 300.

    That holds one mid-sized town. And there are hundreds of mid-sized towns. Plus there are millions of Normal Americans who would fight back. Nothing would move without their permission – a few guys shooting up big rigs along the interstate would shut down the entire trucking industry. Bottom line: there simply are not enough military forces to clear and hold red America.

    What about drones and bombers? Both are useful. But the minute a bombing strike kills some red civilians the families of counter-insurgent drone operators and pilots will be knocking at the base gates to be let inside. Now you’ll need many of those brigades to protect the civilians you now need to protect from retribution.

    Civil wars are harsh. That’s why you avoid them.

    How about the blue insurgency scenario? That goes even worse for the Democrats. You have the federal government apparatus in the hands of red America, and the insurgents are the opposite of decentralized and armed. They are conveniently centered in gun-unfriendly blue cities. In other words, the blue civilian population is much less of a threat.

    A red counter-insurgency avoids the problem of a decentralized insurgency and insecure logistical lines. In the case of California, whose secessionist antics are approaching the point where President Trump could legitimately employ his power to crush insurrections, the tactical problem is relatively simple. For example, San Francisco is a hotbed of treason, but the populace is largely unarmed and is trapped in a confined area. You put a brigade on securing the Golden Gate and Bay Bridges, then put a brigade on the San Francisco Peninsula to cut off the I-280 and US-101 corridors. Next you go to the Crystal Springs Dam and cut off the water. Then you watch and wait as the tech hipsters run out of artisanal sushi rice and kombucha.

    After about a week, they surrender. After all, you can’t eat and drink smugness. LA is just bigger in scope – more corridors to cut off, but in the end the population concentrations in large liberal urban areas that are their strength also make them extremely vulnerable to logistical pressure.

    Then there’s another factor, an intangible but a crucial one. It’s commitment. The Democrat threat to peace is based on its policies designed to deprive Normal Americans of their right to speak freely, to worship freely, and to defend themselves and their rights with firearms. Make no mistake – millions of Normal Americans are willing to risk death to defend those rights. In fact, many swore to do so when they entered our military and law enforcement. But who is the leftist big talker willing to die to impose the fascist dream of censorship, religious oppression, and disarmament on Normal American citizens? Is the screeching SJW at Yale going to suit up in Kevlar? Is the Vox columnist going to grab a M4? Is the Hollywood poser going to switch her gyno-beanie for a helmet?

    No. Hell, we just heard our liberal opponents explaining why a cop shouldn’t be expected to go fight a scumbag murdering kids because it’s scary. America might split apart, but it’s highly unlikely Team Kale n’ Vinyl would fight should their big talk finally push Normal America too far.

    https://townhall.com/columnists/kurt...r-too-n2459833
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    I understand what the guy is getting at, but his ideas on military strength are way off. No way is the strength of a brigade 1/3 support. It's not even that much for a division, when a whole brigade is dedicated to support.

    And in a civil war, desertion in some units could be 100%, in others none. All of that is speculation.

    It should be noted that "front line riflemen" is a tactic that is rarely used, if at all, in this time. Most infantry are mounted, in the old Bradley, or modern Amram's. A whole mid sized town of AR 15's will have little to no impact on M1 Abram's, and the modern mobile units. Even the hummers are armored, and with a 50.cal machine gun on top, those little AR 15 pop guns, will have their work cut out for them.

    That's not to say the infantry guys don't do house to house clearing, urban warfare.

    The major problem is IED's, and snipers.

    However, I too don't think it will come to that. If it does, and the military stays more, or less intact, it will be bad for the militia.
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    The army will fragment. How are you going to order a solider to invade his own home town? These are friends and neighbors. I know we like to think that they are mindless drones, but they are not. I am not. Give me that order and I will shoot the one who gives it. Again, you cannot just say the army will obey any given order, it won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Practical View Post
    The army will fragment. How are you going to order a solider to invade his own home town? These are friends and neighbors. I know we like to think that they are mindless drones, but they are not. I am not. Give me that order and I will shoot the one who gives it. Again, you cannot just say the army will obey any given order, it won't.
    In the Balkans Soros's stooges sent the city boys to the country/country to city, northerners went south and southerners went north, Christians went to muslim towns etc.
    But it won't be Americans fighting Americans; it will be muslims/Cubans/Canadians/Venezuelans/Cartels/Chinese and a few white Marxists thrown in to make a nice piece for the Globalist media. And keep in mind that the military will do no more than the minimum required to ensure their pensions
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaryC View Post
    I understand what the guy is getting at, but his ideas on military strength are way off. No way is the strength of a brigade 1/3 support. It's not even that much for a division, when a whole brigade is dedicated to support.

    And in a civil war, desertion in some units could be 100%, in others none. All of that is speculation.

    It should be noted that "front line riflemen" is a tactic that is rarely used, if at all, in this time. Most infantry are mounted, in the old Bradley, or modern Amram's. A whole mid sized town of AR 15's will have little to no impact on M1 Abram's, and the modern mobile units. Even the hummers are armored, and with a 50.cal machine gun on top, those little AR 15 pop guns, will have their work cut out for them.

    That's not to say the infantry guys don't do house to house clearing, urban warfare.

    The major problem is IED's, and snipers.

    However, I too don't think it will come to that. If it does, and the military stays more, or less intact, it will be bad for the militia.
    Its obvious you don't live in a CLASS III, state....

    So called militia are armed with both semi autos, full autos, bolt actions, legal explosives ect ect...

    Tanks and armor have their weaknesses...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolfinoregon View Post
    Its obvious you don't live in a CLASS III, state....

    So called militia are armed with both semi autos, full autos, bolt actions, legal explosives ect ect...

    Tanks and armor have their weaknesses...

    So true, you run the tank for 3 or 4 hours, there has to be 1/2 to 1 hour of maintenance needed to run it the next 3 to 4 hours.

    That 1/2 to 1 hour is out side of the tank and a decent scoped rifle shooter has you in his site just waiting for you to stand 5 to 7 seconds in one spot. Plus as the article said you have to pee sometime, and that ain't inside the tank.
    Each tank has a trained crew of 4 men,
    Tank Commander, very skilled, with 3 to 5 years experience and knows the job of the next three under his command very well.
    Gunner, usually has 2 or 3 years to learn the skills under him and his own, can be a TC but not always.
    Driver, 1 to 2 years experience (usually) might get to sit in the Gunners Chair once in a while as he learns more.
    Loader 1 to 2 years experience, also working his way up to be a driver,
    You can take a grunt and in 20 minuets make him an OK loader, but there are lots of secondary skills he has to know. Main gun, Ammo recognition , Coax, out side MAG, Cleaning of weapons, taking the breach block apart and cleaning, Vehicle Maintenance etc, etc, etc.

    Being able to drive a car does not mean you can hop into a truck and take off, same with a Tank.
    Lot's to know before you step inside.

    Tanks in Lagger with engines running make lots of noise, and 1 shot is lost in that noise.
    Infantry as security to the tanks, sooner or later let their guard down. I know I've been there.

    I'm a fair shot, I can hit a 12 inch circle at 600 meters with my scoped bolt action 308.
    With my WWII German 8MM bolt action rifle and no scope, it's down to 300 meters.
    (I would say it's old eyes, but also lack of practice too.)

    Even 300 meters away in an area with some trees and gullies, I'm a small hard to see target.
    Drones or no drones. Plus if your are close in and camouflaged ( tan Carharts work well this time of year),
    how can a drone at 20,000 ft altitude tell between friend and foe at under 200 meters?
    Those IR tags our GI's wear on their uniforms, are still on some of the ones sold in surplus stores.

    Americans, fighting Americans, I hate that idea more then I can say.

    Bring in the Blue Berets, (UN) and it's Redcoats, vs the Buckskin Patriots all over again.
    Plus Bill Clinton allowed all opposition in the Balkans to be targets, we will play by his rules everywhere.
    Ugly, bloody, savage no holds bared warfare.
    The Carolina's in the Revolutionary War, Kansas and Missouri in the Civil war, nation wide this time if they push it.

    Pray it doesn't happen, Prep just in case it does.

    If you have just a rifle, 100 rds is the minimum, 400 rds is a good goal.
    Also buy 2 or 3 boxes of different caliber ammo to give to friends who might not have stocked up. Popular ammo types 243, 30.06, 308, 6, 7, and 8 mm. etc. lots of SKS's and AK and even more AR's out there.

    As I have stated many times, I do not want a civil war!
    But if the Libs and Soros goons keep pushing they will have one.

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    Articles like this read like somebody enjoyed the Turner Diaries a little more than was good for them. It's been a long-time wet dream of a small percentage of right-wingers that somehow a civil war will break out, and boy, will all those liberals be sorry then! As a practical matter, it's not in the cards of any decks anyone is playing, though somebody could always introduce a new set of cards with lots more jokers. But even if some kind of confrontation arose, militias running around in the woods and armored vehicles in front of City Hall aren't part of any realistic scenario.

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    Fedgov will have a hard time paying goons and keeping their loyalty when (not if) the value of the FRN falls to third world levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moestooge View Post
    Fedgov will have a hard time paying goons and keeping their loyalty when (not if) the value of the FRN falls to third world levels.
    Goons will fight for booty and slaves
    They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
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    [QUOTE=Achilles;2738798]



    It’s obvious that the central tenet of the Democrat Party platform is now hatred and contempt for Normal Americans.
    /QUOTE]

    The opening statement pretty much sums it up. With the amount of hatred coming from the left for all things American, how could there be anything but conflict in our future?

    While the form and timing of that remains to be determined, I have, over time, lost hope that it can be avoided entirely.

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