Chance or Designer

[CaryC]

Hey,

In this thread:

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/s...ming-of-Life-2

The case is made for life to spring forth by CHANCE is astronomically impossible. Which is the case evolution makes, it happened by chance.

Using "chance" means incorporating "probability". To figure out what are the odds of life happening by chance. At a 1 in 10 to the 164th power.

There is some dialog in the thread.

In those vid's the bottom line is, use critical thinking, and don't just accept what is presented. However, there is no other alternative given once evolution, and life, springing forth by chance, is shown to be impossible.

So the case I'm going to make here is:

If chance is shown to be an impossibility, the only other alternative is a Designer. It was done on purpose, by someone.

Who can that designer be?

Even as we used "probably" to show the evolution is impossible. Here is a vid using "probably" to show not only who Jesus is statistically, but also the accuracy of The Bible.

It is my contention that since it can be shown that the situations with Jesus were "caused" to be, then Creation was caused to come into being on purpose by the same Creator.

[grampster]

I've read much of what C.S. Lewis has had to say, among others. Since he, early on, considered himself to be an atheist at worst and an agnostic at best, who became one of the great apologists for Christianity by using his intellect, I lend a bit of credence to what he said.

C.S. Lewis:"If a good God made the world why has it gone wrong? And for many years I simply refused to listen to the Christian answers to this question, because I kept on feeling "whatever you say, and however clever your arguments are, isn't it much simpler and easier to say that the world was not made by any intelligent power? Aren't all your arguments simply a complicated attempt to avoid the obvious?" But then that threw me back into another difficulty.

My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust? If the whole show was bad and senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why did I, who was supposed to be part of the show, find myself in such violent reaction against it? . . . Of course I could have given up my idea of justice by saying it was nothing but a private idea of my own. But if I did that, then my argument against God collapsed too -- for the argument depended on saying that the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happen to please my private fancies. Thus in the very act of trying to prove that God did not exist -- in other words, that the whole of reality was senseless -- I found I was forced to assume that one part of reality -- namely my idea of justice -- was full of sense. Consequently atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning."

I also have always enjoyed "Evidence That Demands a Verdict" by Josh McDowell. I don't have a copy now as I kept buying them and then giving them away, so no I don't have one. Heh.

[CaryC]

So then, here are a couple for you. This first one is about 45 minutes:

[CaryC]

Here is the 2d one titled "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" about 39 minutes.

[Bezukhov]

Brahma Creates the Universe

http://www.allabouthinduism.info/201...rahma-creates/

[CaryC]

Brahma Creates the Universe

http://www.allabouthinduism.info/201...rahma-creates/

Aaaa come on Bez, I thought it was a secret. LOL

Are you saying that is your choice? Or that there are many "myths" out there to choose from?

I would just make a couple of notes.

1) The Hindu belief system/religion has many of the similarities as those of Egypt with Ra, Roman and Greek mythology, and even the Sumatrans. And most of those are even traceable to the Babylonians and Sumatrans before them. The only ones with a slightly different belief system is the Assyrians. Which when they conquered the Babylonian Empire the priests fled due to their expected mass murder. They fled mostly to Pergamum noted as the seat of Satan, then to Greece, and then to Rome. Some of the priests could easily of fled to India, carrying their religion with them.

It should also be noted here that Hinduism is not the oldest religion, the Sumatrans is. Since it was one of the 6 original civilizations.

2) In any of the other religions including Hinduism, and even Islam if you want to include it, are there more than 300 prophecies concerning their Messiah's first visit? I know they probably have one. At least Islam does. Even in the first paragraph of the link you provided they give the cycle of destruction and rebirth. So are there any prophecies concerning the actual date of any of those. And then are there another 300+ prophecies concerning their second coming? And mixed in with that are there some 1200 other prophecies concerning other things of which 800-1000 have already been fulfilled to the letter?

Even as was noted the odds of only 48 prophecies being fulfilled by one man-Jesus, is 1 in 10 to the 157th power. Giving the odds on all 300+ for the first coming would be stratosphereical. Not to mention the other 800-1000 other prophecies.

If there is only one Book, or one Man that can/did that, wouldn't it be prudent to believe it over the rest?

If you can give a link, or vid that shows the number of prophecies concerning Hinduism, and there coming destruction, and rebirth, especially one that is led by a man, feel free to post it.

However, you may choose to believe what ever you wish. My advice: Choose wisely.