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    Sundance at the Treehouse does excellent work. It looks like CIA Nellie Ohr played a much bigger role than we knew previously:

    Leaked Lisa Page Testimonial Transcripts on CIA Brennan Angle, Confirms Likelihood of Dossier Origination….

    Posted on January 11, 2019 by sundance
    The leak wars have officially begun. “Caveat emptor” (buyer beware) is the general warning to all interested followers of the story-lines.

    In response to leaks of congressional testimony to The Epoch Times (Lisa Page and Andrew McCabe) damaging to prior the narratives of the DOJ and FBI; the opposing side of the political continuum begins leaking transcripts to the New York Times (James Baker) favorable to the DOJ and specifically FBI. Damn these insufferable leakers, their agendas’, and their weaponized political motives; all of them.

    CTH suspected this bull sh*t was going to start as soon as we saw the first Lisa Page transcript leak.

    As a result we are now reduced to reviewing information through the pre-filter of the media outlet delivering the analysis of the transcript; a process CTH hates with the passion of a thousand supernovas.

    The New York Times leak-angle is to justify *why* the FBI contemplated opening an investigation on candidate, president-elect and president Trump . – SEE HERE – That said, sticking with the Epoch Times leak-angle on Lisa Page testimony for a moment, there is an aspect to the CIA activity of John Brennan which confirms prior suspicions.

    Here’s the part that pertains to earlier CTH research on the issue of Brennan, the CIA, and more importantly Fusion-GPS contract employee Nellie Ohr who we confirmed also worked for the CIA:

    Epoch Times
    […] Page staunchly maintained that any briefings given to the White House were always about the “Russian active measures effort” and were not in relation to “Crossfire Hurricane,” the FBI’s name for their counterintelligence investigation into the Trump-Russia allegations.

    Brennan has admitted during congressional testimony that his intelligence helped establish the FBI counterintelligence investigation:
    “I was aware of intelligence and information about contacts between Russian officials and U.S. persons that raised concerns in my mind about whether or not those individuals were cooperating with the Russians, either in a witting or unwitting fashion, and it served as the basis for the FBI investigation to determine whether such collusion [or] cooperation occurred.”

    This admission is important, particularly since Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) had previously disclosed that no official intelligence was used to open the FBI’s investigation.

    Brennan’s role was highlighted again during testimony, as one Representative questioning Page questioned her in relation to an Aug. 25, 2016, text message: “What are you doing after the CH brief?” CH almost certainly referred to “Crossfire Hurricane.”

    Page was asked specifically about an event that occurred on the same day:

    “It’s the same day that Director Brennan is briefing Harry Reid, is why I ask. And so what you’re saying is you were unaware that Director Brennan was briefing Harry Reid that same day?”

    Page said she was unaware of Brennan’s briefing to Reid. She was then asked the following:

    “You give a brief on August the 25th. Director Brennan is giving a brief. It’s not a Gang of Eight brief. It is a one-on-one, from what we can tell, a one-on-one briefing with Harry Reid at that point. And it becomes apparent, based on your text messages and based on Director Comey’s emails, that you all are aware that that conversation took place. Were you aware that Director Brennan had a briefing with Harry Reid and that you expected a letter from Harry Reid?”

    Page noted that she remembered the letter sent by Reid, but seemed confused as to Brennan’s involvement and possible knowledge of the Steele dossier. Worth noting is that while some within the FBI likely had parts of the dossier in July, the Counterintelligence investigative team did not receive it until mid-September during a trip to Rome where they met personally with Steele.

    The Representative, who was clearly aware of the disparity in timing, focused on precisely how Brennan might have been aware of the dossier in August:

    Rep.: So what you’re saying is, is that you had no knowledge of these potential unverified memos prior to the middle part of September in your investigation?
    Page: That is correct, sir.
    Rep.: Okay. So on August 30th, you and Peter are going back and forth, and you go, “Here we go.” If you’ll look at 9:44:50 on August the 30th, you go, “Here we go.” And it’s referencing “Harry Reid Cites Evidence of Russian Tampering in the U.S. Vote and Seeks FBI.” Now, what happens is, and what I guess gives me a little bit of concern is, if you drop down, that if you drop down to the same day, August 30th, 9:45, it says: “The D”—which I assume means Director—”said at the a.m. brief that Reid had called him and told him that he would be sending the letter.”
    Page: Okay.
    Rep.: So you get a brief that says, well, we got the letter, but it’s almost like it’s a coordinated effort between Harry Reid and the FBI Director, because obviously, he’s briefing you.
    After a bit of back and forth, Page responded, “I don’t know what Harry Reid was told or why or what the purpose of Brennan [was.]”
    The Representative pressed on:
    “Why would Director Brennan be aware of things that the FBI was not aware of at this particular point when it actually would potentially involve, according to Peter Strzok’s word on January 10th of 2017, an unverified salacious set of memos?”
    And then the big reveal:
    Rep.: We have documents that would suggest that in that briefing the dossier was mentioned to Harry Reid and then obviously we’re going to have to have conversations. Does that surprise you that Director Brennan would be aware [of the dossier]?
    Page: Yes, sir. Because with all due honesty, if Director Brennan—so we got that information from our source, right? The FBI got this information from our source. If the CIA had another source of that information, I am neither aware of that nor did the CIA provide it to us if they did, because the first time we —
    Rep.: We do know there are multiple sources.
    Page: I do know that. I do know that the information ultimately found its way lots of different places, certainly in October of 2016. But if the CIA as early as August, in fact, had those same reports, I am not aware of—I’m not aware of that and nor do I believe they provided them to us, and that would be unusual.
    Rep.: Were you aware that Christopher Steele had conversations or multiple conversations with Fusion GPS and others outside of just working special intel for you?
    Page: As of August of 2016, I don’t know who Christopher Steele is. I don’t know that he’s an FBI source. I don’t know what he does. I have never heard of him in all of my life. So let me just sort of be clear. When the FBI first receives the reports that are known as the dossier from an FBI agent who is Christopher Steele’s handler in September of 2016 at that time, we do not know who—we don’t know why these reports have been generated. We don’t know for what purpose.
    A bit later in the discussion, the representative asked another question:
    “So you don’t know whether it’s a coordinated effort to get you those documents or not at that point in September?
    Page responds, “Coordinated by whom, sir?
    Rep.: Anybody, other than a confidential human source saying, “Listen, I’ve got reason to be concerned and bring it to you.” It could be coordinated by the CIA. It could have been coordinated by Fusion GPS. You don’t know.
    Page: At the time that we received the documentation, no. What we have is the preexisting relationship with the source and the reliability of his prior reporting. (more)
    The key issue here is one of timing. Lisa Page states emphatically the FBI investigative unit first became aware of the Steele Dossier in mid-September 2016. However, CIA Director John Brennan is demonstrably briefing Gang-of-Eight Senators (including Harry Reid) in August 2016 on the material in the dossier.

    Page says: “If the CIA had another source of that information, I am neither aware of that nor did the CIA provide it to us if they did.” This cuts to the heart of the dossier origination as our CTH research discovered it back in 2017.

    Billionaire supporter of Marco Rubio, Paul Singer, originally contracted with Glenn Simpson (Fusion GPS) for opposition research on Trump in late-fall 2015. Glenn Simpson and his wife Mary Jacoby had extensive pre-existing research files on Paul Manafort and Russia dating back years.

    Fusion-GPS founder Glenn Simpson then hires Nellie Ohr at the end of November 2015 to work on the Trump project. Nellie Ohr works on that project throughout Dec ’15, Jan, Feb, March, April 2016. The Fusion-GPS contract with Paul Singer was discontinued in March 2016; but Nellie Ohr continued working on it. The reason why we put Nellie at the center of that graphic more than a year ago is because of her importance:

    In April 2016, after Paul Singer cancelled the contract with Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson’s wife Mary Jacoby goes to the White House (April 19th, 2016). Immediately thereafter Team Clinton pick up the research and start paying Glenn Simpson (Fusion-GPS) to continue developing it. However, at the same time Clinton picked up the Trump project, Fusion contracts Christopher Steele to write his research dossier.

    Mrs. Nellie Ohr was not only a Fusion GPS contracted employee, she was also part of the CIA’s Open Source Works, in Washington DC (link) Both Mr. Bruce Ohr and Mrs Nellie Ohr worked on a collaborative CIA group project surrounding International Organized Crime. (pdf here) Page #30 Screen Shot Below

    When you overlay the timeline with the demonstrable activity, it becomes transparently easy to see exactly what was taking place.
    Here’s what has always seemed obvious:

    ♦ When Glenn Simpson hired Nellie Ohr (Nov ’15) he was hiring a CIA analyst and Russian expert. Nellie Ohr had research access to the FBI/NSA database. It is almost guaranteed Mrs. Ohr’s work in Dec, Jan, Feb, March was done by exploiting her “contractor” access to the database through FISA-702(16)(17) searches.

    ♦ It is not coincidental that the exact timeline when the NSA compliance officer noted an uptick in FISA-702(16)(17) database search abuses (November ’15 through April ’16) coincides perfectly with Nellie Ohr’s contract with Fusion GPS. The FISA court report from Judge Rosemary Collyer speaks directly to this timeline:

    ♦ Glenn Simpson hired Ohr in November 2015, Nellie took the material already assembled by Glenn Simpson and Mary Jacoby in years passed, and used her CIA access to the FISA database to prove it, and enhance it. She eventually built out more evidence and expanded the research. By mid April 2016 Nellie Ohr had amassed a bunch of illegally obtained information surrounding the Trump empire, and, additionally, had information on Manafort and Russia etc.

    ♦ When Team Clinton get involved in April 2016 (that team includes Brennan Inc.), they needed to weaponize all of Nellie Ohr’s research. That’s where Chris Steele is brought in to receive the Nellie Ohr information, launder it into an intelligence product, where it became “the Steele Dossier”, and then inject it back into the intelligence community. CIA Director Brennan always knew of the material before the FBI did, because Brennan was part of the construction team.

    Christopher Steele is not the actual author of the material inside the ‘Steele Dossier’, but rather he was attempting to wash away evidence of FISA database abuse by finding alternate confirmation for the underlying material. Once he could provide ¹plausible secondary origination for Ohr’s material, Steele sent it back to Fusion-GPS in chapters.

    Nellie Ohr was, is, and will always be, the factual author of the material inside the Steele Dossier. Notably Nellie Ohr refused to testify to the joint house committee citing spousal privilege as the excuse to avoid questioning.

    Nellie Ohr, a CIA contract employee, is at the epicenter of the Steele Dossier; and as a result she is the person who created the basis for all of the FISA surveillance warrants that exploited the dossier for approval.

    Of course CIA Director Brennan was briefing Harry Reid in August 2016 on the dossier material a month prior to the FBI unit receiving it…. Brennan helped create it.

    ¹”plausible” – the Cohen-in-Prague mistake within the Steele Dossier is evidence of Nellie Ohr mistakenly interpreting a database search query result for the wrong Michael Cohen.
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    Where does George Papadopoulos fit into the diagram?

    Papadopoulos, a Trump-campaign adviser in a British bar, boasted about about his Russian connections. The drunken
    Papadopoulos had bragged about his Russian connections and his Trump campaign advisor status to an Australian diplomat, that eventually came to the attention of the FBI.

    He later pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents about his interactions with a Russia-linked professor in May 2016.

    Until the
    Papadopoulos revelations, the Steele dossier was not considered particularly reliable.

    Since, an alarming portion of the dossier has been
    confirmed. It's author said that probably only 80% was actually true. That's the way investigations go; sometimes you're being fed bullshit. What's the bullshit and what's not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post

    Since, an alarming portion of the dossier has been
    I must have missed that 'confirmation'. Where did you hear that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmatic View Post
    I must have missed that 'confirmation'. Where did you hear that?
    ROFL....confirmed by CNN/MSNBC.
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    greenman, you need to update your sources.

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    You could try the Google; there are pages and pages of links that will show you what parts of the dossier have been corroborated.

    This is probably the most complete one, the full text of the dossier with the relevant links. It's not light reading.


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    PART I – The Presidential Declassification Counter-Punch: Understanding The Process…

    Posted on January 29, 2019 by sundance
    There has been a great deal of debate and consternation surrounding how the Administrative State has boxed in President Trump through the use of the Mueller/Weissman counterintelligence probe, authorized by Rod Rosenstein, where President Trump is a target of the investigation.
    A widely held supporter perspective is that President Trump can expose the fraudulent origination of the counterintelligence investigation; of which he is now a target; if he were to declassify a series of documents as requested by congress and allies of his administration. This approach would hopefully remove the sword of Damocles.
    Because the issues are very complex, we begin a two-part CTH post to outline the issues and hopefully clarify the situation; as well as outline a possible solution that would minimize the risk. This is part I.

    The core issue within the debate surrounds two contradictory reference points: (1) President Trump has ultimate declassification authority. (2) Yes; however, in this example President Trump is also the target of the investigation; so declassification could be viewed by elements within the investigation as ‘obstruction’. Both of these points are true.
    Also true is the reality that both laws and politics come into play.
    In November 2018 President Trump gave an interview where he discussed the situation as it is visible to him. Democrats and opposition, writ large, are working earnestly to remove him from office. Obviously President Trump is aware:

    New York Post – In a wide-ranging, exclusive interview with The Post, President Trump said Wednesday that if House Democrats launched probes into his administration — which he called “presidential harassment” — they’d pay a heavy price.
    “If they go down the presidential harassment track, if they want go and harass the president and the administration, I think that would be the best thing that would happen to me. I’m a counter-puncher and I will hit them so hard they’d never been hit like that,” he said during a 36-minute Oval Office sitdown.
    The commander-in-chief said he could declassify FISA warrant applications and other documents from Robert Mueller’s probe — and predicted the disclosure would expose the FBI, the Justice Department and the Clinton campaign as being in cahoots to set him up.
    “I think that would help my campaign. If they want to play tough, I will do it. They will see how devastating those pages are.”
    But Trump told The Post he wanted to save the documents until they were needed.
    “It’s much more powerful if I do it then,” Trump said, “because if we had done it already, it would already be yesterday’s news.” (read more)
    So President Trump is aware of the material that he can use to defend himself from the ongoing ‘impeachment’ plans of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.
    However, President Trump is also seemingly aware of the issues within the process to gain access to the material and actually use it. This is where the concentric circle of lawyers around the Office of The Presidency come into play.
    We have the constitution, we have laws, and we have politics.
    Moving forward there are three background threads that are critical to understanding how this process has unfolded so far:

    All three of these issues come into play. Unfortunately, if you have not already invested the time in those three aspects it is easy, very easy, to get lost.
    Because none of the legal linquistics take into account the reality of the actual process for declassifying information, many people get stuck thinking President Trump has sole authority to classify and declassify intelligence without understanding the process.
    Declassification of intelligence is a process, and each person -within the executive branch- inside the process must agree to the process. Making the process even more riddled with issues is the reality that President Trump is a target in a counterintelligence investigation. President Trump is being investigated by Mueller to see if he is under the direct or indirect influence of a foreign power. [In this example, Russia]
    The Mueller probe is an originating counterintelligence investigation that ‘can find’ espionage (see Russian indictments) as well as violations of law (Papadopoulos, Manafort, Flynn).
    It is critical to remember, the originating probe is not a criminal probe; but Mueller and Weissmann can charge criminality if the investigators encounter interference of their counterintelligence probe; these are the process crimes (perjury, obstruction, lying to congress); or if the probe uncovers direct criminal activity (tax evasion, money laundering, FARA violations etc.).
    Moving foward…. Technically President Trump can declassify anything. However, it is also true that technically POTUS doesn’t actually declassify anything. The Office of the President asks for a document to enter into a declassification review process.
    Officials within that process (ODNI, DoD, DoS, FBI, DOJ-NSD, CIA, NSA, etc), based on their unique relationship to the interests within the document(s), can approve or refuse to sign-off based on their specific intelligence interests. This is where compartmented intelligence comes into play.
    Any officer who refuses the request for declassification must justify to the intelligence hub; the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI, Dan Coats). The executive branch intelligence official tells the ODNI (Dan Coats) why they, their unique interests, cannot approve of the declassification request.
    DNI Dan Coats then informs POTUS why the document is not cleared for declassification.
    If he disagrees with the decision of the intelligence official, POTUS then would have to fire, replace and hope the next person in the chain-of-command would sign-off. Given the nuance in the current example, and considering the President is under a counterintelligence cloud it is unlikely any officer would break ranks.
    President Trump would have to fire people, and keep firing people, until he gets to a person, inside that specific agency, who will comply. Now stop and be reasonable.
    Think about the general political ramifications to that decision. And then think about the ramifications against the reality that President Trump is a target, under the cloud of a counterintelligence probe.
    Walking through an example: The congressional request is for President Trump to declassify and release the Carter Page FISA applications (including specifically pages 10-12 and 17-34 and relevant footnotes), all of the Bruce Ohr 302s and other relevant documents, including exculpatory evidence regarding Carter Page and others, that were presented to the Gang of Eight, but not presented to the FISA Court. This would include the “EC” or electronic communication from Brennan (CIA) to Comey (FBI) that started Operation Crossfire Hurricane in July 2016.
    Let’s just take the FISA application(s).
    President Trump asks DNI Dan Coats (intelligence hub) to coordinate the declassification of the FISA warrant application against Carter Page. Dan Coats then asks all of the compartmented principles with interest in that specific document. That likely includes DOJ (Matt Whitaker), FBI (Chris Wray), and likely DoS (Mike Pompeo – because of the State Dept aspect to Chris Steele).
    If FBI Director Christopher Wray refuses to declassify the document(s) because it is part of the current Mueller counterintelligence probe, of which Carter Page was a target, then President Trump would have to fire Chris Wray; and, while awaiting a replacement (confirmation seriously doubtful), the request then falls on FBI Deputy Director David Bowdich. [Who would also likely refuse]
    As this hypothetical declassification example is unfolding you can imagine the political damage being carried out. Hopefully, you can also see how President Trump could easily be accused of interference or obstruction of justice.
    Two scenarios: (1) If the Mueller probe is ended, Chris Wray has no excuse and would likely have to comply with the request. (2) If POTUS is already in the ‘impeachment’ process for obstruction, that references back to his original NY Post statement.
    Unfortunately under the second scenario if the Pelosi/Schumer plan is already underway; regardless of the Mueller probe, POTUS could still face executive officer refusals.
    Hopefully everyone can see the larger issues.
    That’s the worst case scenario; the bad news. However, in Part II I’ll explain an approach that President Trump *could* follow regardless of the time frame.
    Actually, unless President Trump has confidence (prior assurances) that Mueller and Weissmann will not provide impeachment fuel, the next outline will show how it could be better for him to counter-punch now while the Mueller probe is ongoing.

    Part II – The Presidential Declassification Counter-Punch….

    Posted on January 29, 2019 by sundance
    The background here is that any unilateral declassification by President Trump will end up putting him in opposition to a variety of corrupt interests. As a direct result he will be facing legal action from the legislative branch. With that accepted here is the most strategic approach.

    In anticipation of litigation:

    President Trump informs the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, that he wishes to have a full intelligence briefing on the following documents:

    • All versions of the Carter Page FISA applications (DOJ) (FBI) (ODNI).
    • All of the Bruce Ohr 302’s filled out by the FBI. (FBI) (ODNI)
    • All relevant documents pertaining to the supportive material within the FISA application. (FBI) (DOJ-NSD ) (DoS) (CIA) (DNI) (NSA) (ODNI);
    • All supportive documents and material provided by Bruce Ohr to the FBI. (FBI)
    • All intelligence documents that were presented to the Gang of Eight in 2016 that pertain to the FISA application used against U.S. person Carter Page; including and intelligence documents that may not have been presented to the FISA Court. (CIA) (FBI) (DOJ) (ODNI) (DoS) (NSA)
    • The originating CIA “EC” or two-page electronic communication from former CIA Director John Brennan to FBI Director James Comey that started Operation Crossfire Hurricane in July 2016. (CIA) (FBI) (ODNI)
    • The full and unredacted April 2017 FISA court 99-page opinion written by Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer outlining the compliance audit conducted by the NSA in 2016. (NSA) (ODNI) (DOJ) (FBI) (DOJ-NSD)

    The President selects a date for this briefing and informs the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, to inform and coordinate with all executive branch lead intelligence officials, who were/are stakeholders in the compartmented intelligence products as described above, of their request be present for the briefing.
    Further, all of the compartmented intelligence is to be collectively assembled by the ODNI into one volume of a singular Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB). There are to be eighteen printed copies of the PDB assembled and secured for the briefing.
    Additionally, the office of the president informs the ODNI of the executives’ intent to invite for the briefing each member of the Intelligence Community legislative oversight known as the Gang-of-Eight.

    And, after the briefing by the executive level department officials, while remaining in a closed and classified session, the full and comprehensive content of this collective intelligence product will be discussed with the full assembly of the U.S. Legislative Branch Intelligence Oversight known as the Gang of Eight.
    Therefore, National Security Advisor John Bolton is instructed to coordinate with the ODNI for the attendance of the Gang of Eight: Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Minority leader Kevin McCarthy, HPSCI Chairman Adam Schiff, HPSCI Ranking Member Devin Nunes, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, SSCI Chairman Richard Burr and SSCI Vice-Chair Mark Warner. [Topic “TBD”]
    In order to facilitate the briefing. Each member of the participating group will be provided with one full printed copy of the material assembled by the ODNI during the briefing.
    [Each of the participants carries the pre-requisite clearances, legal and constitutional authority to engage with the classified document according to their position and status. Only the executive can assemble the product for Go8 review and feedback]
    At the conclusion of the briefing; and after hearing from, and engagement with, each of the participating members of the executive intelligence offices and duly authorized legislative oversight representatives; and after listening to their opinion as to the subject material discussed; the president announces to the fully assembled leadership of both the Executive and Legislative Branch it is his opinion the National Interests of the United States can best be served with the American people having a full, transparent and honest review of the material that was discussed.
    The President, no-one else, only the President, then collects the printed portfolios as they were distributed to the participants, exits the briefing, and walks directly into the Press Briefing room within the White House; handing each of the awaiting twelve members of the national media a copy of the briefing material to be published on behalf of the American people.
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