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    Default Marco Rubio Is Spearheading a Gun Control Policy 2A Advocates Warned About

    Marco Rubio Is Spearheading a Gun Control Policy 2A Advocates Warned About

    Beth Baumann
    Posted: Jan 08, 2019 12:05 AM



    Ahead of the one year anniversary of the tragic shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) on Thursday re-introduced the "Extreme Risk Protection Order and Violence Prevention Act," commonly referred to as "red flag laws."

    “A gun violence restraining order is one of the most effective policies we can put in place to prevent another tragedy like Parkland,” Rubio said in a statement. “We can help keep our schools and communities safe by empowering law enforcement or family members to use the judicial system to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous individuals. This idea has already proven successful in states like Florida, and it is my hope that this bill will get other states to do the same thing.”

    According to Rubio's team, here's what the bill will do:

    • Creates an Extreme Risk Protection Order Grant Program at the Department of Justice
    • Makes states enacting qualifying laws eligible for funding to help implement such laws, as well as priority consideration for Bureau of Justice Assistance discretionary grants.
    • Requires that a qualifying state law be in compliance with the minimum requirements described in the act, including:
      • Providing a process where a law enforcement officer or family member of an individual can petition for – and after notice and hearing, a court can grant – an Extreme Risk Protection Order if the court finds by clear and convincing evidence that such individual poses a significant danger of causing personal injury to himself/herself or others by possessing or purchasing a firearm.
        • The duration of such order may not exceed 12 months but may be renewed upon a showing of clear and convincing evidence it remains warranted.
        • Respondent has the right to request a hearing to vacate an order or renewal.

      • Providing a process where a Temporary Ex Parte Extreme Risk Protection Order can be issued if a court finds probable cause to believe that an individual poses a significant danger of causing personal injury to himself or herself or others in the near future by possessing or purchasing a firearm.
      • Establishing a felony criminal offense for knowingly making a false statement relating to an Extreme Risk Protection Order regarding a material matter.
      • Requiring clear processes and instructions for the surrender of a respondent’s firearms should an Extreme Risk Protection Order be issued, as well as clear processes and instructions for the swift return of such firearms upon expiration or successful motion to vacate an order.
      • Requiring that an issuance of an Extreme Risk Protection Order be reported to the appropriate federal, state, and tribal databases.


    Gun Owners of America and the National Shooting Sports Foundation have both voiced concerns over red flag laws. The main concern is the potential for a lack of due process. While Rubio's previous piece of legislation required a court hearing within 14 days of being petitioned, there's no appeals process. Once a person is deemed unfit, their Second Amendment rights can – and will – be revoked.


    The other issue is the abuse factor. There's nothing that keeps people from abusing this system. Here's an example:
    A man is an avid Second Amendment supporter, enjoys going to the range and is a concealed carrier. He decides the relationship with his girlfriend is no longer working out so he breaks up with her. She's upset about the breakup. To get back at him, she petitions the court utilizing red flag laws (assuming they're already in place). Her claim is he's mentally unfit to own a firearm. She decides to lie and say he's threatened her and has stocked up on ammunition. The court would, more than likely, decide he is a threat. That means they'd revoke his access to firearms. There's nothing that would prevent the ex-girlfriend from making these false claims. And there's no way for him to refute the claim.

    See the problem?

    The lack of due process and the instantaneous decision is what Second Amendment advocates are, rightfully, worried about.

    Sens. Jack Reed (D-RI), Angus King (I-ME), and Susan Collins (R-ME) are all co-sponsors. Rubio introduced the same legislation last March in the previous Congress.

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    Just the continued picking away around the edges of the 2A. Do enough picking and it will be gone.

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    Another good example of a politician with a big ego setting about to "fix" a problem by creating legislation that will have many negative unintended consequences.
    Our society has become conditioned to believe that all problems can be solved by government. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

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    Forgot to say that in Rubio's case, it's more than likely a ploy to get him "more moderate" supporters for another presidential run. These people know that the laws they pass are ineffective. They limit freedom and are designed to enhance their own power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pc-not View Post
    Another good example of a politician with a big ego setting about to "fix" a problem by creating legislation that will have many negative unintended consequences.
    Our society has become conditioned to believe that all problems can be solved by government. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
    The people need to hold them accountable for damaging legislation even after they leave office. That may be a deterrent. Think long and think hard!

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    Are the consequences really unintended?
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    Rubio shows his globalist Republicon establishment puppet strings in a big way.

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    Reminds me of John Ross's famous book "Unintended Consequences". If I ever have to bury my guns to keep them, I'll keep one gun unburied. The sniper rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian View Post
    . If I ever have to bury my guns to keep them, I'll keep one gun unburied. The sniper rifle.
    ... then what would be the point in burying the others?

    The first squeeze of that trigger and it's "game on" ... and then ya got more diggin to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar Wilde View Post
    ... then what would be the point in burying the others?

    The first squeeze of that trigger and it's "game on" ... and then ya got more diggin to do.

    O.W.
    The idea is to take out a traitor with a 308 sniper rifle from enough distance to get away. No point in risking prison by the traitors finding non-combat firearms such as my pump 22LR. If I had to hide firearms, it would be in such places as under beehives or in a manure pit. There are no guarantees in combat, but the odds of escape are better in a ghilllie suit from 500 yards away.

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