Luz de Maria

[The Cub]

Sorry, I have to believe the words of Scripture over false signs and wonders.


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Prove it.

[Off-Grid Organics]

Prove it.

Joh 3:13 “And no one has gone up into the heaven except He who came down from the heaven – the Son of Aḏam.

Heb 11:13 In belief all these died, not having received the promises,a but seeing them from a distance, welcomed and embraced them, and confessed that they were aliens and strangers on the earth.

Heb 11:39 And having obtained witness through the belief, all these did not receive the promise,
Heb 11:40 Elohim having provided what is better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.

Joh 6:39 “This is the desire of the Father who sent Me, that all He has given Me I should not lose of it, but should raise it in the last day.
Joh 6:40 “And this is the desire of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him should possess everlasting life. And I shall raise him up in the last day.”

1Co 15:22 For as all die in Aḏam, so also all shall be made alive in Messiah.
1Co 15:23 And each in his own order: Messiah the first-fruits, then those who are of Messiah at His coming,

1Co 15:51 See, I speak a secret to you: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Co 15:54 And when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall come to be the word that has been written, “Death is swallowed up in overcoming.”

It's everywhere. Should I continue after you have attempted to explain these away for some false apparition?


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[The Cub]

Sorry, I have to believe the words of Scripture over false signs and wonders.

By Scripture, I took it to mean that you believe in the Christian Holy Bible/the Written Word of God.

Prove it.

[Off-Grid Organics]

By Scripture, I took it to mean that you believe in the Christian Holy Bible/the Written Word of God.

Prove it.

I'm sorry you didn't recognize the Scriptures I posted above. Do you have other Scriptures in mind, or are those verses foreign to you?


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[The Cub]

I mean you no disrespect OGO, but compiling a string of citations taken out of context and expecting the reader to understand your point does not constitute a proof. I quit playing that game some time ago. I did gaze at your list, but do not have the time nor inclination to read it.

Logical Proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_proof

Also, see Syllogism and Deductive Reasoning.


You said:

Sorry, I have to believe the words of Scripture over false signs and wonders.

My response was:

Prove it.

You have neither proved/demonstrated:

1. That you believe in Scripture (I take that to mean the Holy Bible.), nor
2. That the private prophecies imparted by Jesus Christ, the Blessed Virgin Mary and St. Michael the Archangel via an anonymous visionary (yet to be approved by the Church as worthy of belief) located in Central America and going by the moniker: Luz de Maria is a “false sign and wonder”, nor
3. That the mystical occurrences consisting of prophecies via locution and/or apparitions by Our Lady at Fatima, Zeitoun or Tepeyac are “false signs and wonders”.

You have provided an unsupported assertion; and a string of citations taken out of context and strung together in a chain. Both of which are of no value.

The Catholic Church, the Pillar and Bulwark of Truth (cf. 1Tm 3:15), investigates such matters by forming a Commission of clergy and laymen trained in theology and the sciences, to study the mystical occurrences, today including without limitation: interviewing the visionaries (and witnesses), detecting any doctrinal errors in messages imparted, and subjecting them to a battery of tests while in ecstasy: EEG, lie detectors, bright lights in their eyes, heat, cold, pin pricks, placing debris in their eyes (to see if they blink), and more.

Typically, these tests are conducted over several decades, before any decision is rendered by the Church.

Everything that I have presented in this thread has either been approved by the Church, and/or carry IMPRIMATURS, or has yet to be approved, as of this date.

Yet, you were able to make your assessment without even reading the information presented herein.

While I did not read your posts, I did give them a quick glance. It appears as though you are attempting to associate the Dogma of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin after her Dormition – not sure; no logical proof presented – with the prophecies of Jesus, the Blessed Virgin and St. Michael; as well as the apparitions of the Virgin at Fatima, Zeitoun and Tepeyac, discussed herein.

These events are mutually exclusive.

This thread deals with the mystical occurrences listed, not the Assumption. If you would like to discuss the Assumption, you (or I, if you prefer) can start another thread on the Assumption….and discuss it there.

I await your proofs of items 1, 2 and 3 above.

I am willing to assist, to the extent I can, in understanding these matters.

Otherwise, we can agree to enter each other’s name in our respective Ignore List, and move on.

[Off-Grid Organics]

but do not have the time nor inclination to read it.

That's OK...I'm sure others took the time to read it.

[The Cub]

MESSAGE FROM THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY
TO HER BELOVED DAUGHTER LUZ DE MARÍA
JANUARY 15, 2017

Beloved children of My Immaculate Heart:

I CALL YOU TO REMAIN UNITED TO MY SON, AND FOR THIS IT IS NECESSARY FOR YOU TO REMAIN IN A STATE OF GRACE.

You have to and will have to restore the relationship that man has lost with God because of the ignominy, rebellion, disobedience, perversion, the present arrogance and heresies with which Humanity insults My Son. A few of My children will be able to multiply themselves as many times as God allows and the acts and deeds they perform will be like those of multitudes.

CHILDREN, IN ORDER TO RESTORE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CREATOR, YOU MUST FIRST DIRECT YOUR EFFORTS TOWARDS THE INSIDE OF EACH PERSON, AS WITHOUT INTERNAL CHANGE YOU WILL NOT ACHIEVE A TRUE AND STABLE CHANGE.

At this instant, the human being does not live in inner peace and this makes him a spiritually unstable creature, and he therefore keeps acting and reacting unexpectedly towards his neighbor, living in a constant fear of losing what he does not have and of losing what he possesses. Because of these improper cravings it is that you are unable to live in peace, but live in a constant anxiety. The aforementioned is because you act alone, you feel that you can overcome the turmoil and appetites of the world on your own, and this is not so. INVITE MY SON AND ME TO REMAIN PRESENT, DIRECTING YOU IN WORK AND ACTION SO THAT EVERYTHING MIGHT CONFORM TO THE DIVINE WILL.

Children, you act by imitation, impulsively and without thinking, since you act without reasoning, without your memory working, without your thinking bringing to mind previous acts that caused you painful and baleful instants; you should avoid repeating the mistakes made, but you do not do so.

You are not sincere with yourselves, otherwise you would avoid falling into pain, frustrations, discord, you would be attentive so as to curb improper impulses, but hypocrisy is greater than Truth.

PAINFULLY I SEE THAT MY CHILDREN LACK HUMILITY; YOU CONSTANTLY POINT OUT THE ERRORS THAT YOU BELIEVE YOU SEE IN YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS WITHOUT CORRECTING YOURSELVES FIRST.

PRIDE IS SO GREAT IN THOSE WHO ARE MINE THAT THEY DO NOT CHANGE AND LIVE IN A CONSTANT COMPLAINT TOWARD THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS ABOUT WHAT FOR THEM ARE WRONG ACTS, BUT THE PROUD PERSON DOES NOT CHANGE IN ORDER TO SET AN EXAMPLE.

Beloved children, as Mother, I know the emptiness in which you are living, and it is precisely through that interior emptiness that the devil penetrates. The devil is subtle and will call you to glorify yourselves - for what? In order for you to eliminate the concept of good and evil, convincing yourselves that My Son has died and that you can therefore act in freedom since you will always be forgiven.

Beloved children of My Immaculate Heart, the glorification of man himself makes God's beloved human creature become a creature saturated with his vaunted human self, which does not reason, thus fulfilling the purpose of satan: that man be the most irrational being of all Creation.

YOU AWAIT THE ARRIVAL OF THE IMPOSTOR, AND THE ANTICHRIST IS NOW ACTING IN THOSE WHO ARE WEAK, FINDING THEM EMPTY OF CONSCIENCE AND FAR FROM MY SON.

The impostor acts upon everyone; the first thing that he carries out in man is to make his pride grow, encouraging him to consider himself judge and lord:
he leads the inhuman to be more inhuman ...he leads the unjust to point out the mistakes of others and not to see their own ...

At this instant, the devil is emptying man of feelings and perceptions, of intelligence, in order to subject him by means of a state of servitude, and he prevents him from being creative so that man depends on him.

BELOVED CHILDREN, THE INSTANT IS CRITICAL FOR SPIRITUAL GROWTH, EACH ONE OF YOU MUST FIGHT WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH IN ORDER NOT TO CONSENT TO WHAT IS CONTRARY TO THE DIVINE WILL.

My children talk about sin and discover it quickly, except that, foolish and irresponsible, they often fall into greater sins. Man has lived through slavery and sees it as a thing of the past. In this instant man is more of a slave to sin than man himself thinks, you constantly chew on slavery to vices, and this terrible food produces creatures who are totally distant from God, mistaken in their convictions and totally idolatrous.

My Beloved, you lack Love and this leads you to seek spirituality in evil. There you will never find it; on the contrary, you will be ever harder of heart and will love what is a product of Creation, but you will not love the Creator.

Children, the leaders of evil are stirring up the Nations through a few men, and the rest imitate those few men sent by those who direct Humanity’s destiny, causing greater agitation after a very short period of apparent calm. In the great international scene, they will kill the president of a great Nation, and this will convulse the world, giving an opportunity for people to blame one another, and thus the spectre of war stops being a spectre. A frightened humanity is easily guided to evil’s goal.

Those who love My Son truly cannot take part in Freemasonry, the Illuminati, dazzling elites, forms of modernism that offend the Mystical Body, communism and its practices; they cannot live with music that is composed for satan, they cannot allow themselves to be dominated by technology, they must not allow themselves to be poisoned with an irresponsible diet, created to finish off much of humanity. Illnesses created by man are the great pretext for contaminating the body of the human creature and slowing causing death with medicines arranged for this.

Beloved children of My Immaculate Heart, the mighty ones of the world are constantly devising elements so that man might fall and be dominated by them.

A HUMAN CREATURE CONTAMINATED NOT ONLY IN HIS BODY BUT IN HIS SPIRIT IS A CREATURE THAT IS TOTALLY VULNERABLE TO EVIL AND TO BEING USED FOR EVIL.

Not praying consciously, the absence of the practice of fasting for those who are not sick, not scrutinize the Sacred Scripture, lack of true repentance as a sign of humility, not receiving the Eucharist, disrespect for one's own life and that of neighbor, and for the human body as the Temple of the Holy Spirit, and the absence of a total love for God are the key points where satan has found a great weakness and even ignorance and illiteracy in this humanity weakened in its spirit.

THIS IS NOT THE INSTANT FOR YOU TO SEEK WHO IS GUILTY, IT IS THE INSTANT IN WHICH EACH PERSON HAS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR GROWING IN THE SPIRIT AND OFFERING TO GOD WHAT BELONGS TO GOD.

Pray My children, pray for Italy, it will be attacked by intruders, causing great pain to the People of My Son.

Pray My children, pray for France, it will suffer a great attack.

Pray My children for Spain, it welcomes fraternally those who need it. It will be assaulted without expecting it, its people will suffer, but I will be attentive to the petitions of the children of My Son.

Pray children, pray for Nigeria, blood is spilt.

Pray for children who suffer from satan’s scourging.

Beloved children of My Immaculate Heart:

KEEP YOUR SPIRIT ALERT, AS EVIL IS ON THE ATTACK STATE. BE UNITED, BE FRATERNAL AND, ABOVE ALL ELSE, BE FAITHFUL TO MY SON, NOT TO MEN.

This cycle which you have begun indicates to man that he must remain united and fused to My Son so that he is not carried away by the sea-current of the enemy of the soul.

You must remain alert with respect to Nature: earthquakes will cause the waters of the seas to rise and penetrate the land, the winds will lead to disasters and the sun will heat up the Earth, and the fire will burn and sweep through large areas in various countries.

My children, the purification will be a test for those faithful to My Son; the undecided will be forced to decide before the night does not allow the sun to warm the Earth.

Beloved of My Immaculate Heart, love My Son, if you are faithful to My Son, you will not remain alone.

I stand with you: "IS IT NOT I HERE WHO AM YOUR MOTHER?", DO NOT FEAR. I PROTECT AND ENLIGHTEN YOU IN THE WAY OF MY SON.

I love you,

Mother Mary

HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN

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