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    GOD, GIVE Us PROPHETS!!
    by Paul Holdren

    The simultaneous use of the words "prophet" and "ministry" almost seem like a veiled attempt to tame the untamable nature of the prophet. The word "prophet" speaks of unconventional methods and means. In this context the word "ministry" seems to imply the use of conventional methods and means.

    Prophets are unpredictable, while ministries have become very predictable. Ministries are typically planned by men, while prophets are ordered by God. Prophets have thrown themselves prostrate before God in order to be stood up by God to forever be set apart for God's purposes.

    Prophets hear only from God. Therefore, they can speak for God.
    Prophets have been touched by the hand of God. Therefore, they know the power of God. Prophets have been positioned to see from God's perspective, observing the world's system as it really is. For it is corrupt in nature with nothing of eternal value to offer. Prophets have seen the glory of God. Therefore, they know the call to be holy.

    Prophets have trembled before the holiness of God. Therefore, they will not tremble before men. To revere God is to fear no man - be it individuals or institutions. Prophets walk differently, as they hear a heavenly music. Prophets talk differently, as they hear a heavenly voice. Prophets act differently, as they desire the clear and effective communication of the word of the Lord.

    Peer pressure has no appeal to or influence upon the prophet.
    The prophet is more concerned about God's reputation than social acceptability. Prophets have sacrificially thrown themselves on the altar of God as an offering. There to be consumed by the fire of God as a sacrifice and filled with the Spirit of God as a sanctified vessel. Prophets have been consumed by the Holy in order to be
    empowered by the Holy.

    The scripture states that Christians are to be "kings and priests"
    (Revelation 1:6). However, the contemporary Christian is more like the traditionalist of Ezekiel's time than like the New Testament descript. Contemporary Christians tend to be predictable traditionalists merely tweaking the methods and means that they have been taught and trained to use. Typically speaking, the contemporary Christian is too busy to spend time with God in order to bask in His glorious presence, too busy to study the word of God in order to know the mind of God, too busy to have altar time with God to be consumed by holy fire, and too busy running from the demands of God to be running with God, knowing the miraculous will of God. Many contemporary Christians lack the vision and passion to build the Kingdom of God. Rather, they build the "Chapel of Self".....

    Leonard Ravenhill, 20th Century Revivalist - "Oh God send us prophetic preaching that searches and scorches! Send us a race of Martyr-preachers - men burdened, bent, bowed and broken under the vision of impending judgment and the unending hell of the impenitent..."
    "Preachers make pulpits famous; prophets make prisons famous.
    May the Lord send us prophets - terrible men, who cry aloud and spare not, who sprinkle nations with unctionized woes- men too hot to hold, to hard to be heard, to merciless to spare..."
    "We are tired of men in soft raiment and softer in speech who use rivers of words with but a smidgen of unction. These know more about competition than consecration, about promotion than prayer.
    They substitute propaganda for propagation and care more for their church's happiness than holiness..." (-From 'Why Revival Tarries').

    Ezekiel was the priest who became a prophet. His call from God to prophetic office is worthy of our examination, as our place in history cries out that God send prophets. His vantage point as a prophet is worth taking note of, for the conditions of the nation require the prophet's insight and perspective. His methods of communication should be studied, as the world needs to hear and understand its destitute rebellious nature and the impending judgment of all unrighteousness. His calling of the nation to repentance is worth remembering, for it is a fearful thing to not have grace cover the nation's sin. His promise of restoration is worth remembering, as it was given by Jehovah the covenant- keeping God.

    -From "The Wedding of Purity and Power" by Paul Holdren.


    Grace is only amazing if judgment is real

    "A pharisee is hard on others and easy on himself,but a spiritual man is easy on others and hard on himself."

    "There is no wild beast so ferocious as Christians who differ concerning their faith"








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    All I can add is a hearty AMEN! Love my pastor but he refers to "God' and rarely Jesus. He explains how e should be about His business but doesn't really equip us and never a harsh word or anything about what's coming down the pike. And sin? not to much. We need real MEN of God not ball-less wonders, pardon the description. prep and pray, the end has arrived.

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    Oh !! How positively fashionable !!!!!

    Were Father to send you an honest-to-God prophet......you wouldn’t like it.

    Likely enough, you’d rush to the lesser gods that you have chosen, to waste no time praying to them kill the man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel Adams View Post
    Oh !! How positively fashionable !!!!!

    Were Father to send you an honest-to-God prophet......you wouldn’t like it.

    Likely enough, you’d rush to the lesser gods that you have chosen, to waste no time praying to them kill the man.
    Hey, are you talking to me? The ministries I have supported are people with a "hard" word from God, like Dave Wilkerson. You are talking to the wrong person here, I crave the prophets in my personal life as well. If it's hard, but from God, I will be better off hearing what they have to say. The little I have said to pastor's in the past has always been a disaster. Maybe sometime I will tell the PTL club story


    Grace is only amazing if judgment is real

    "A pharisee is hard on others and easy on himself,but a spiritual man is easy on others and hard on himself."

    "There is no wild beast so ferocious as Christians who differ concerning their faith"








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    In both the OT and the NT there were also women prophets.

    Prophets were God's messengers who were separate from temple officials when God raised them up during times when rulers of palace and temple were apostate.

    In the OT, when the Southern kingdom was living in such sinful rebellion against God that even evil sodomites were allowed in the temple... the book of God's law was discovered in the temple during repairs. When King Josiah read it he repented, tried to make righteous reforms, then sought the word of God from Huldah the prophetess who told him of God's coming judgment on Jerusalem [which did come in the form of Babylon's conquest and destruction of both Jerusalem and the temple.]

    In the NT, Anna is called a prophetess. Luke 2:36-38


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsX View Post


    In both the OT and the NT there were also women prophets.

    Prophets were God's messengers who were separate from temple officials when God raised them up during times when rulers of palace and temple were apostate.

    In the OT, when the Southern kingdom was living in such sinful rebellion against God that even evil sodomites were allowed in the temple... the book of God's law was discovered in the temple during repairs. When King Josiah read it he repented, tried to make righteous reforms, then sought the word of God from Huldah the prophetess who told him of God's coming judgment on Jerusalem [which did come in the form of Babylon's conquest and destruction of both Jerusalem and the temple.]

    In the NT, Anna is called a prophetess. Luke 2:36-38

    Yeah, it's pretty clear women were used also


    Grace is only amazing if judgment is real

    "A pharisee is hard on others and easy on himself,but a spiritual man is easy on others and hard on himself."

    "There is no wild beast so ferocious as Christians who differ concerning their faith"








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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsX View Post


    In both the OT and the NT there were also women prophets.

    Prophets were God's messengers who were separate from temple officials when God raised them up during times when rulers of palace and temple were apostate.

    In the OT, when the Southern kingdom was living in such sinful rebellion against God that even evil sodomites were allowed in the temple... the book of God's law was discovered in the temple during repairs. When King Josiah read it he repented, tried to make righteous reforms, then sought the word of God from Huldah the prophetess who told him of God's coming judgment on Jerusalem [which did come in the form of Babylon's conquest and destruction of both Jerusalem and the temple.]

    In the NT, Anna is called a prophetess. Luke 2:36-38


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    Going by you links, perhaps you consider yourself a prophetess? That's fine, but I still disagree that we are to kill gays today.


    Grace is only amazing if judgment is real

    "A pharisee is hard on others and easy on himself,but a spiritual man is easy on others and hard on himself."

    "There is no wild beast so ferocious as Christians who differ concerning their faith"








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    Those who think they are now exempt from God's laws, judgments and punishments had better rethink.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsX View Post


    Those who think they are now exempt from God's laws, judgments and punishments had better rethink.

    Well, God hasn't been telling me I need to go out and kill gays. He actually has been very busy showing me areas in me that need cleansing, chinks in my armor.
    I hope you are hearing His voice in these matters as well


    Grace is only amazing if judgment is real

    "A pharisee is hard on others and easy on himself,but a spiritual man is easy on others and hard on himself."

    "There is no wild beast so ferocious as Christians who differ concerning their faith"








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