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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppalong View Post
    Did you know that only 50 people Own 75% of the land in the USA? I bet you didn't
    I'm pretty sure this is wrong. Looking at the list, No. 18 has about 600,000 acres. Even if the average of the top 50 is half a million acres, that totals to 25 million acres, which is roughly the size of Kentucky. That's nothing like 75% of the land of the US. By far the biggest landowner in the US is the federal government--which is to say, all of us. And I'd bet that some of the biggest private landowners aren't people or families at all, but corporations and investor groups. Certainly they own a big share of the most expensive land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugwump View Post
    I'm pretty sure this is wrong. Looking at the list, No. 18 has about 600,000 acres. Even if the average of the top 50 is half a million acres, that totals to 25 million acres, which is roughly the size of Kentucky. That's nothing like 75% of the land of the US. By far the biggest landowner in the US is the federal government--which is to say, all of us. And I'd bet that some of the biggest private landowners aren't people or families at all, but corporations and investor groups. Certainly they own a big share of the most expensive land.
    Well here is yet another article saying about the same thing as I stated before. Only O said 74% this one has it at 72%... And this one is just a few months old~!

    With 72% of America’s land being privately owned, a staggeringly large chunk of that is controlled by a small number of people. From ranchers who have owned land for generations to newcomer billionaires splashing the cash, we take a look at the America’s 50 biggest landowners, using data from the Land Report 2018.

    THESE 50 PEOPLE OWN MOST OF AMERICA



    https://www.lovemoney.com/galleries/...america?page=1

    You have to click on the link and go through 50 slides. LOL But still it means that a very Few People own most of Americans land no matter how you slice it.

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    A racially diverse country is NOT a nation.

    By definition, a nation consists of people of the same race.

    Nation

    c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.

    The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language... "

    https://www.etymonline.com/word/nation


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppalong View Post
    Well here is yet another article saying about the same thing as I stated before. Only O said 74% this one has it at 72%... And this one is just a few months old~!

    With 72% of America’s land being privately owned, a staggeringly large chunk of that is controlled by a small number of people. From ranchers who have owned land for generations to newcomer billionaires splashing the cash, we take a look at the America’s 50 biggest landowners, using data from the Land Report 2018.

    THESE 50 PEOPLE OWN MOST OF AMERICA



    https://www.lovemoney.com/galleries/...america?page=1

    You have to click on the link and go through 50 slides. LOL But still it means that a very Few People own most of Americans land no matter how you slice it.
    The numbers don't add up. The claim is patently false, and all you have to do is look at a map.

    And even though a few people own some stonking big tracts, in a lot of cases the land isn't of great economic use. It would be one thing if somebody owned half a million acres of California coastline or rich farmland, and could use that land somehow to leverage their economic and political power over others. But if, for instance, you look at the one big tract mentioned as belonging to John Malone, it's largely a big expanse of quite arid western lands good for little besides running cattle. Same with Ted Turner's massive spread in Nebraska. These aren't plantations or latifundios on which powerful personal empires are based. For these guys, they're side projects and something they think is cool and fun, or because they actually want to preserve the land in its current state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugwump View Post
    A more useful and accurate analogy would be to consider taxes your homeowner association fees. The "taxation is theft" meme is just stupid.
    your analogy is flawed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    your analogy is flawed
    Maybe. But it's sure a heck of a lot better than the other one.

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    What does the 16th say about property taxes?
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear View Post
    What does the 16th say about property taxes?
    Nothing. Which has zilch to do with state and local property taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugwump View Post
    Nothing. Which has zilch to do with state and local property taxes.
    Wrong. You just make this stuff up?
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    The constitution originally forbade direct taxes.

    Income and property taxes fall into that category.

    That is why both are contractual and not mandated by law.

    Many criteria must be met before you can be “directly” taxed.....and “we” are conditioned from the cradle to unwittingly meet them all.

    The road from perdition is the road that got you there. Just turn around and go back......

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