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    Default It looks like we're abandoning the Kurds again.

    In Major Policy Shift, U.S. Will Stand Aside As Turkish Forces Extend Reach In Syria

    October 7, 2019

    SCOTT NEUMAN

    https://www.npr.org/2019/10/07/767777899/in-major-policy-shift-u-s-will-stand-aside-as-turkish-forces-extend-reach-in-syr

    The White House announced late Sunday that Turkey is ready to launch an offensive in Northern Syria and that U.S. forces will stand aside, likely renewing fears that America is abandoning Kurdish allies who stood on the front line in the years-long fight against ISIS.

    A two-paragraph statement released by White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said that President Trump and Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had spoken by telephone and that "Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation in Northern Syria."

    "The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial 'Caliphate,' will no longer be in the immediate area," it added.

    Ankara considers many of the Kurds to be terrorists who are allied with Kurdish separatists inside Turkey. However, U.S. forces on the ground in Syria recruited and trained the Syrian Democratic Forces, or SDF, which bore the brunt of the fighting on the ground against Islamic State fighters, assisted by U.S. airstrikes.

    Early last year, Turkey launched an offensive in Kurdish-dominated northwestern Syria, slowly pushing Kurdish militia and civilians into the city of Afrin, which Turkey captured in March 2018.

    In December, Trump abruptly announced that U.S. troops would be withdrawn from Syria — a move that elicited praise from Turkey but sparked criticism among Washington's allies and within the president's own Cabinet, where the move prompted the resignation of then-Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. Within days, then-National Security Adviser John Bolton clarified that the U.S. drawdown would be conditioned on the defeat of the Islamic State and the safety of the Kurds.

    The U.S. has a total of about 1,000 troops in Northern Syria and it wasn't immediately clear whether the White House statement meant they would be totally withdrawn from the country or only from the immediate area of Turkish operations.

    Erdogan has threatened for months to launch an assault against Kurds in Northern Syria. But U.S. lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have warned that allowing Ankara a free hand against the Kurds would send a troubling message about U.S. commitment to its allies.

    Throughout the conflict in Syria, the Islamic State used social media to recruit fighters from abroad, scoring particular success in parts of Europe. According to Ambassador James Jeffrey, the State Department envoy to the coalition fighting the Islamic State, Kurdish forces in Northern Syria are holding about 2,500 foreign fighters.

    The White House statement said the U.S. "has pressed France, Germany, and other European nations, from which many captured ISIS fighters came, to take them back, but they did not want them and refused. The United States will not hold them for what could be many years at great cost to the United States taxpayer."

    Kurdish forces, not the U.S., have kept ISIS fighters, sympathizers and family members in makeshift camps in Northern Syria.

    The White House statement said, "Turkey will now be responsible for all ISIS fighters in the area captured over the past two years in the wake of the defeat of the territorial 'Caliphate' by the United States."

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    As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!).
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...32249821388801
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    So glorious it is to have a president who's not merely a stable genius but also of great and unmatched wisdom!

    Have you ever noticed how people who actually possess those attributes NEVER boast of them?

    Notice that those who don't, so often do.

    It must be so embarrassing to have an important position in the Trump administration wherein praising the stable genius with great and unmatched wisdom is part of the job description. One bad report from Fox News and you're gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    So glorious it is to have a president who's not merely a stable genius but also of great and unmatched wisdom!

    Have you ever noticed how people who actually possess those attributes NEVER boast of them?

    Notice that those who don't, so often do.

    It must be so embarrassing to have an important position in the Trump administration wherein praising the stable genius with great and unmatched wisdom is part of the job description. One bad report from Fox News and you're gone.
    On this I will agree with you. Too bad the left has not one even remotely close to middle of the road candidate or they might be able to beat him fair and square.

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    This is not our fight. We cannot send troops to every corner of the world to fight in wars in which we have no national interest and that we don't intend to win. By pulling us out of these quagmires President Trump is demonstrating unmatched wisdom, at least when compared to his predecessors who got us into these messes.
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    Not So Fast maybe not.

    Trump Administration Appears to Reverse Syria Decision Following Backlash


    A senior administration official on an organized call with reporters appeared to contradict President Donald Trump about Syria policy late Monday, refuting interpretations of his statements from earlier in the day that prompted broad outrage from supporters and opponents alike.
    The U.S. is not removing its forces from Syria in the face of a Turkish incursion, said the official, speaking on the condition of anonymity. Rather, the president ordered roughly 50 special operations troops in northern Syria to relocate to a different part of the country after he learned that Turkey has planned an offensive against U.S.-backed Kurdish forces in Syria. The official said that offensive had not yet begun.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...IMv?li=BBnb7Kz


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pastor Guest View Post
    This is not our fight. We cannot send troops to every corner of the world to fight in wars in which we have no national interest and that we don't intend to win. By pulling us out of these quagmires President Trump is demonstrating unmatched wisdom, at least when compared to his predecessors who got us into these messes.
    The 1800 troops about to sent to Saudi Arabia say Hi.
    https://www.vox.com/world/2019/10/11...a-troops-esper

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    Kurds are allies of the antichrist Edomite-jew state...
    serving as its fifth-column inside Syria.


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    Syrian Christians Proclaim "Trump is right on Syria!"
    YPG Kurds are responsible for escalation in Northeast Syria




    09 October 2019

    "President Trump is right on Syria!," according to Johny Messo, the President of the World Council of Arameans (Syriacs) ("WCA"). Withdrawing U.S. troops from Syria and halting financial and arms support to the YPG Kurds may help restore peace and security in Syria. Messo further argues that "the YPG Kurds are responsible for the current escalation in the northeast and that they hold the key for peace in this part of our ancestral homeland."

    1) President Trump made the right decision in withdrawing U.S. forces from Syria to end the "ridiculous endless wars," fulfilling yet another campaign promise; he already ended the covert CIA program of 2013 to arm the "rebels" in Syria. America's mission to destroy the Caliphate and military power of ISIS was achieved in March 2019. So there was no cogent reason to stay in Syria, let alone to keep arming the YPG Kurds. Staying rather than leaving would be a greater security threat and burden for America.

    more at link

    https://www.wca-ngo.org/wca-news/pre...rump-ypg-syria



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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsX View Post


    Syrian Christians Proclaim "Trump is right on Syria!"
    YPG Kurds are responsible for escalation in Northeast Syria

    09 October 2019

    "President Trump is right on Syria!," according to Johny Messo, the President of the World Council of Arameans (Syriacs) ("WCA"). Withdrawing U.S. troops from Syria and halting financial and arms support to the YPG Kurds may help restore peace and security in Syria.
    It must feel strange then for Syrian Christians to now find themselves now allied with the Kurds.

    I wonder how that's going over?

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