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    This brings a whole new meaning to DUMBAZZ HILLBILLIES
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    Quote Originally Posted by solderguy View Post
    That makes 9 states where the governor has flipped from Red to Blue since Trump was elected:
    2017 New Jersey
    2018 Illinois, Kansas, Maine, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Wisconsin
    2019 Kentucky

    The only movement the other way was Alaska flipping from Independent (previously a Republican) to Red (2017)


    Kentucky hasn't been settled, recounts will happen and I'm betting they will find fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolfinoregon View Post
    Kentucky hasn't been settled, recounts will happen and I'm betting they will find fraud.

    You notice old Solderguy doesn't mention EVERY other Kentucky election was won handily by Republicans, including the FIRST African American AG....... or he doesn't mention the near MIRACLE that happened in New Jersey...................

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

    New Whistleblower Leak - Documents Show Kentucky Election Was Rigged!




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    It's going to look mighty shady if Republicans claim the Republican-run election was somehow biased against the Republican candidate.

    Could Matt Bevin Steal the Kentucky Governor’s Election?

    By RICHARD L. HASEN
    NOV 07, 2019

    Will the Kentucky Legislature assist Matt Bevin in stealing the governor’s race from Democrat Andy Beshear, who appeared to have won Tuesday’s election by about 5,000 votes? Ordinarily, I would consider the possibility preposterous. We do not live in ordinary times, though, and on Wednesday Kentucky Senate President Robert Stivers raised the prospect that hisinstitution, not the voters, could determine the outcome of the race. If Stivers and Republican Kentucky legislators were to make such a hardball move without good evidence that there were major problems with the vote count, the election would likely end up in federal court, where it is anyone’s guess what would happen. Either way, that we’re even discussing this potentiality one year before Donald Trump—who has repeatedly challenged the vote totals in his 2016 election victory—is set to face reelection is a wrenching sign for our already-damaged democracy.

    Bevin, the incumbent Republican governor, was deeply unpopular in part due to an extended fight with Kentucky’s teachers. He tried to tie himself to Trump, who visited the state just before the election and asked his Kentucky supporters to vote for Bevin as a way to help the president: “If you win, they are going to make it like, ho hum. And if you lose, they are going to say Trump suffered the greatest defeat in the history of the world. You can’t let that happen.”

    But Trump’s exhortations apparently weren’t enough. With about all the votes counted, Beshear leads by about 5,000 votes. He declared victory on election night but Bevin did not concede, citing unspecified irregularities. Bevin has since provided just a bit more information, but his claims are still incredibly vague. As Politico reported:

    Without providing details, Bevin cited ‘thousands of absentee ballots that were illegally counted,’ reports of voters being ‘incorrectly turned away’ from polling places and ‘a number of machines that didn’t work properly.’ He said his campaign would provide more information as it is gathered, and he did not take questions from reporters.

    Bevin certainly deserves a chance to make his case, though so far he has suspiciously refused to provide details of his claims. Kentucky does have a history of voter fraud, though much less in recent years. If Bevin can substantiate his charges, they would warrant a full and fair hearing. Bevin has also asked for a “recanvassing” of votes, essentially just to make sure that the reported vote totals line up with the totals from voting machines. That is also a reasonable request to make.

    But Bevin may be doing more than that, and here’s where things can get weird. Kentucky has a set of rules to resolve contested elections, but those rules do not apply to a governor’s race. Instead, the state constitution provides that “Contested elections for Governor and Lieutenant Governor shall be determined by both Houses of the General Assembly, according to such regulations as may be established by law.” According to the Louisville Courier-Journal, the last time the Legislature resolved a governor’s race under this procedure was 1899.

    Suppose, as seems most likely, that Bevin cannot come up with evidence of voter fraud or other problems that could plausibly swing a 5,000-vote margin. Would the Republican-dominated Legislature still attempt to hand the governorship back to Bevin? If it did hand Bevin the victory—even without evidence of fraud or major error—could federal courts refuse to review the decision as an action committed by the state legislature in accordance with the state constitution?

    There’s some question about whether the normal rules apply anymore.

    To begin with, there are both political and normative reasons why the Kentucky Legislature usurping the power of the voters is unlikely. Politically, Bevin was not popular with the Republican Legislature to begin with, and the Legislature would face serious national public blowback if it declared the loser of the election the winner based on flimsy evidence. This goes against all the norms of democracy that we hope remain in place.

    But there’s some question about whether the normal rules apply anymore. We have already seen Republican state legislatures in places like Wisconsin and North Carolina go so far as to strip powers from incoming Democratic governors. We’ve reached the point where it is conceivable that the Kentucky Legislature could go even further and make the election loser the winner. Stivers himself expressed support for Bevin, noting that the Libertarian gubernatorial candidate got 2 percent of the vote, more than the difference between Bevin and Beshear. Stivers remarked that “most of those votes … [w]ould have gone to Bevin.”

    Stivers’ point would be an excellent one in arguing for the adoption of ranked choice voting, which would have allocated the Libertarian Party candidate’s votes to the voters’ second choice. But it is emphatically not an argument to overturn the results of a fair election run under rules giving the plurality winner the right to the seat. I am very wary—and often critical—of claims of “stolen” elections, but if Stivers does what he is hinting at it would be a case where such a label would be justified.


    If the Kentucky Legislature did go through with a theft attempt, no doubt Beshear would file a lawsuit in federal court. As Sam Marcosson, a constitutional law professor at the University of Louisville Brandeis School of Law, told the Courier-Journal:

    If the House and Senate were just to proceed on vague allegations without proof, that raises serious questions about disenfranchisement of the voters who voted for Attorney General Beshear. It’s an extraordinary proposition to suggest that the General Assembly would take vague allegations of unspecified irregularities and call into question a gubernatorial election.


    It is not certain that federal courts would get involved, perhaps preferring to leave matters in the hands of political branches granted the power to resolve disputes under the state constitution. Still, Beshear would be able to raise arguments under the 14th Amendment’s equal protection and due process clauses. He could also point to the part of Bush v. Gore—the decision ending the 2000 presidential contest—that held “having once granted the right to vote on equal terms,” a state “may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person’s vote over that of another.” A system that declares the election loser the winner on arbitrary grounds would certainly value the votes for the loser over those of the winner.

    Such an effort would also violate due process, which protects against arbitrary government treatment in elections. It calls to mind an important 1995 11th Circuit case, Roe v. Alabama, which found a due process violation when a state appeared to change the rules for conducting recounts for a state supreme court race after the election was held. If the Kentucky Legislature adopts new contest rules that deprive Beshear of fundamental fairness, that could violate due process under Roe.

    A lot of bad things would have to happen for Beshear not to be the next governor of Kentucky. Either the election would have to be so marred by fraud or problems that it fairly calls the results into question, or the Kentucky Legislature would have to abandon democratic values and allow the election loser to become the election winner, with federal courts staying on the sidelines.

    We may not live in ordinary times, but if the latter scenario comes to pass, our democracy is in great trouble as we look ahead to 2020.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/matt-bevin-andy-beshear-trump-stolen-kentucky-election.html
    Last edited by Green Man; 11-10-2019 at 09:25 PM.

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    well I do know - my DEAD since 2013 husband was eligible to vote last week.



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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolfinoregon View Post
    Kentucky hasn't been settled, recounts will happen and I'm betting they will find fraud.
    Matt Bevin concedes after a recanvass finds nothing.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kentucky-republican-gov-matt-bevin-concedes-to-dem-andy-beshear-in-reelection-bid

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    Quote Originally Posted by solderguy View Post

    Dems checking the vote fraud software... After double checking the company that owns the machines says no trouble found.

    Dems:

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatDaly View Post
    You notice old Solderguy doesn't mention EVERY other Kentucky election was won handily by Republicans, including the FIRST African American AG....... or he doesn't mention the near MIRACLE that happened in New Jersey...................
    I apologize for that, you're completely right. I should focus on other statewide elections instead of being biased and mentioning governors only.
    Let's see if I can do better:

    John Bel Edwards winning LA Gov race plus Republicans failing to get supermajority in legislature means GOP will not have sole control of redistricting process in 2021. Victory for Dems & fair maps
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    Now Louisiana. Don’t tell me were winning anything. This country will be handed over to those who want to destroy it we are getting ready to retire within the next year or so we didn’t need this to happen at that time I have seven tiny grandchildren that I worry about who they will have to urinate in front of in the bathroom stalls at schools. God is not choosing to intervene to help the deplorable’s anymore. When you go to drudge and it’s all negative you know that it’s over. It’s over guys it’s over

    Satan won you’ll never see Hillary in handcuffs. but you will see Roger stone for life all justice is gone I feel like gods hands were tied because most of the goofy evangelical church is focused on showing mind control designs aon the walls during the services. Lord showed me almost 40 years ago when he brought me to the deserts of Minnesota at the church was badly in trouble. Now it isn’t even salvageable No one can or want to speak from the pulpit about the infestation of demons in Washington. None of it’s real anymore Trump tried but he’s not gonna be winning again


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