Results 1 to 9 of 9

Thread: A Divided Nation Agrees on One Thing: Many People Want a Gun

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    16,722

    Default A Divided Nation Agrees on One Thing: Many People Want a Gun

    A Divided Nation Agrees on One Thing: Many People Want a Gun


    Gun buyers say they are motivated by a new destabilizing sense that is pushing them to purchase weapons for the first time, or if they already have them, to buy more.


    Brandon Wexler, the owner of Wex Gunworks in Delray Beach, Fla., showing a gun to potential customers.Credit...Scott McIntyre for The New York Times

    By Dionne Searcey and Richard A. Oppel Jr.

    • Oct. 27, 2020


    CHANTILLY, Va.— Like many Americans, two women a thousand miles apart are each anxious about the uncertain state of the nation. Their reasons are altogether different. But they have found common ground, and a sense of certainty, in a recent purchase: a gun.

    Ann-Marie Saccurato traced her purchase to the night she was eating dinner at a sidewalk restaurant not long ago in Delray Beach, Fla., when a Black Lives Matter march passed and her mind began to wander.

    It takes only one person to incite a riot when emotions are high, she remembers thinking. What if the police are overpowered and can’t control the crowd?

    Ashley Johnson, in Austin, Texas, worries about the images she’s seen in past weeks of armed militias showing up to rallies and making plans to kidnap governors. The outcome of the election, she thinks, will be devastating for some people regardless of the winner.

    “Maybe I’m just looking at the news too much, but there are hints of civil war depending on who wins,” Ms. Johnson said. “It’s a lot to process.”
    In America, spikes in gun purchases are often driven by fear. But in past years that anxiety has centered on concerns that politicians will pass stricter gun controls. Mass shootings often prompt more gun sales for that reason, as do elections of liberal Democrats.

    Many gun buyers now are saying they are motivated by a new destabilizing sense that is pushing even people who had considered themselves anti-gun to buy weapons for the first time — and people who already have them to buy more.

    The nation is on track in 2020 to stockpile at record rates, according to groups that track background checks from F.B.I. data. Across the country, Americans bought 15.1 million guns in the seven months this year from March through September, a 91 percent leap from the same period in 2019, according to seasonally adjusted firearms sales estimates from The Trace, a nonprofit news organization that focuses on gun issues. The F.B.I. has also processed more background checks for gun purchases in just the first nine months of 2020 than it has for any previous full year, F.B.I. data show.

    F.B.I. data shows sales spiked earlier this year as virus fears spread. And sharp increases in sales are seemingly occurring everywhere: The states with the lowest jump in sales in September, for example, were Alaska and North Dakota, each up about one-third compared with September 2019. States with the largest gains included Michigan, up 198 percent over September 2019, and New Jersey, up 180 percent, according to estimates by The Trace.

    It’s difficult to know exactly who is buying guns at any certain time in America. Gun shop owners, gun rights groups and gun lobbying groups said they were now selling more weapons than usual to Black shoppers, and to women in particular, and more weapons to first-time gun owners generally.

    “The year 2020 has been just one long advertisement for why someone may want to have a firearm to defend themselves,” said Douglas Jefferson, the vice president for the National African American Gun Association, which has seen the biggest increase in membership this year since the group was formed in 2015.

    The influx of new guns in American homes is troubling at a time when many people are under incredible stress over jobs and spikes in coronavirus cases, said Kris Brown, who is president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence and who noted that suicide and domestic violence are on the rise.

    On the issue of gun control, the divide has long been partisan. Concealed-carry laws, bans on high-capacity magazines, and allowing teachers to carry guns at school have split many Republicans from Democrats. A Pew Research Center survey in 2017 found that Republicans and independents who lean Republican were more than twice as likely as Democrats and independents who lean Democratic to own a gun.

    But when it comes to gun ownership there’s something uniquely American that cuts across party affiliation and social boundaries — leaving liberals and conservatives jostling for ammunition because they want to brace for whatever comes next.


    Bert Davis went to a gun show after his local shop was sold out of ammunition.Credit...Carlos Bernate for The New York Times

    “This is a giant room of ‘you never know,’” said Bert Davis, looking around at people streaming inside a convention hall in Virginia to peruse weaponry earlier this month at the Nation’s Gun Show, one of the biggest events of its kind.

    Mr. Davis was surrounded by tables displaying AR-15 semiautomatic rifles, bunny-shaped brass knuckles, pistols etched with American flags and the face of President Trump, booklets with titles like “Be Ready for Anything.”

    A human resources worker for the city of Richmond, Va., Mr. Davis had come to the show with his sister Toni Jackson, who had been having difficulty finding 9-millimeter ammunition at local gun shops; they were all sold out.

    At the show, gleaming golden rounds were on sale by the thousands.

    “Everybody is arming themselves against their neighbor,” Ms. Jackson said, looking out at the diverse lot of fellow shoppers, some pushing strollers and wheelchairs, one in a Black Lives Matter mask, one in a in Keep America Great mask, and a line for background checks that snaked along the room. “This feeds the separatism of the country.”

    Ms. Jackson bought her first gun about three years ago, a small .380 caliber handgun, because her property management job required her to handle large amounts of cash. Recently she put a down payment on a more powerful 9-millimeter pistol that she thinks will offer better protection.

    “What’s going on in the country right now, I’m afraid to be out by myself as a Black woman,” Ms. Jackson said, describing unrest in her city of Richmond and beyond. “There are a lot of people not necessarily excited that Confederate monuments have been taken down.”


    Toni Jackson at her home in Richmond, Va. “Everybody is arming themselves against their neighbor,” she said.Credit...Carlos Bernate for The New York Times

    Other shoppers said they bought a weapon because they were scared that calls to defund the police would be heeded. Some said they were scared of the police. Some were scared that Joseph R. Biden Jr. would become president. Others were scared of four more years of President Trump.

    Don Woodson was overseeing the Trojan Arms and Tactical table of dozens of 9-millimeter black, pink and Tiffany turquoise semiautomatic guns. He estimated 70 percent of his sales at the show were to new gun owners, many of whom told him that they are afraid of rioters.
    “People who never ever would have had guns before,” he said. “Now, they’re looking for security.”

    Two aisles away was Larry Burns, wearing a Keep America Great mask and a Trump 2020 T-shirt. He said he would take action if he saw protesters getting out of control.

    “If they start hurting people, I’m going to hurt back,” said Mr. Burns, who owns two shotguns. “I’ve lived my life. I’ll sacrifice for my grandkids.”


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/u...-election.html
    ”The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” - Margaret Thatcher

  2. #2
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    NE PA
    Posts
    22,491

    Default

    Yup loads of guns....no (bulk) ammo to be found...at least not at a reasonable price.

    This Election , or the aftermath , is going to be lit.
    “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.” Barry Goldwater.

    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.H. L. Mencken

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    3,257

    Default

    The side that prevails will rule over the other side.


    Leftism Is a Religion Without The Ability To Forgive

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Location
    Western Pa.
    Posts
    1,106

    Default

    Stopped at the only remaining gun store in town, sigh. Little ammo to be found, 80% of pistol cases empty but the long guns on the walls are finally back! But the prices! Black powder revolvers and caps, powder (Pyrodex ) wads, ect. are fully stocked.
    ''... I believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people...are a safeguard to the continuance of a free government...whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast Republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it.''- Gen. Robert E. Lee

  5. #5
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    7,426

    Default

    Lots of guns for sale, plenty. Anything you want.
    NO ammo.

    Europe used to have empires. They were run by emperors.
    Then we had kingdoms. They were run by kings.
    Now we have countries...

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    1,126

    Default

    A Divided Nation Agrees on One Thing: Many People Want a Gun


    ​Smart people want a rifle.
    ​HAVE A PLAN TO KILL EVERYONE YOU MEET








  7. #7
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    3,106

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty34 View Post
    The side that prevails will rule over the other side.

    i call bull puckey son the entire bs article. IF this were such a hot commodity then why does does this happen?

    Bankruptcy judge approves sale of Remington gun factory in Upstate New York

    Guns selling fast bs on the whole idea. Glad I sold everything years ago. lol

  8. #8
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    7,426

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppalong View Post
    i call bull puckey son the entire bs article. IF this were such a hot commodity then why does does this happen?

    Bankruptcy judge approves sale of Remington gun factory in Upstate New York

    Guns selling fast bs on the whole idea. Glad I sold everything years ago. lol
    Sometimes I think you're a clever provocateur.
    Other times I think your a paid shill.
    Right now I think you're just an idiot.
    Europe used to have empires. They were run by emperors.
    Then we had kingdoms. They were run by kings.
    Now we have countries...

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Central Nebraska, USA
    Posts
    2,899

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppalong View Post
    i call bull puckey son the entire bs article. IF this were such a hot commodity then why does does this happen?

    Bankruptcy judge approves sale of Remington gun factory in Upstate New York

    Guns selling fast bs on the whole idea. Glad I sold everything years ago. lol
    This statement is beyond plain ignorance. Remington went under due to poor management decisions, and some really poor gun designs. Even during good times companies can go belly up.

    Remington going public was their first mistake. Once that happens, chasing stock returns takes precident above everything else, including quality and customer service,.
    Same thing happened with Marlin and Colt.

    First thing that needs to happen is for these firearm manufacturers is to leave the Northeast states, all of them. None of them are gun friendly, and their taxes are insane.

    They need to move either down South, or out here to the Plains states. From Texas to North Dakota, all of these states are some of the most gun friendly outside of Wyoming and Idaho,.
    "Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war let it begin here." Captain John Parker, to his Minute Men on Lexington Green, April 19 , 1775.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •