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    Default Gun deal in jeopardy after senators fail to agree on gun confiscation red flags

    June 17, 2022
    Gun deal in jeopardy after senators fail to agree on gun confiscation red flags

    By D. Parker

    The much-vaunted capitulation over our sensible civil rights is falling apart with some Republicans finally discovering they had backbones.

    Senator John Cornyn, the lead Republican of the surrender caucus walked out of the talks on Thursday evening after hours of negotiations. He was quoted in a Reuters story: Lead Democrat hopeful on U.S. gun legislation despite Republican walk-out.

    John Cornyn


    "I don't know what they have in mind, but I'm through talking," Red flags over Gun Confiscation Orders (GCOs) and the 'boyfriend loophole' continue to be the primary sticking point in the surrender negotiations. Many wake up to the extreme danger and unconstitutionality of GCOs, aka ERPOs (‘extreme risk protection orders), or other deliberately deceptive labels.

    The senators had missed the deadline of Thursday that would have made it possible to get the measure passed before the July 4 recess. Anti-liberty leftists fear that they will lose too much in the way of emotional interest in the issue if they delay past that point. For all the talk of a groundswell of demands for authoritarian controls, studies have shown that surges in support for more restrictions are fleeting at best.

    Curiously enough, the description line for the Washington Post story from the evening of June 16, 2022, was ‘Gun deal in jeopardy after senators fail to agree on text’. While the head of the surrender caucus was lamenting a lack of progress. Senator “Traitor Thom” Tillis had a more positive outlook on the possibility of giving up more of the people’s rights for absolutely nothing in return:
    Sen. Thom Tillis (N.C.), struck a more upbeat note and said a bill could be written as soon as Friday.
    In another report from earlier in the afternoon on Thursday, the sell-out ‘Republican’ Senators had already begun drafting the capitulation documentation.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...red_flags.html
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    They have tipped their hand concerning what their real intentions are by trying to draft laws that have already been declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pastor Guest View Post
    They have tipped their hand concerning what their real intentions are by trying to draft laws that have already been declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
    You're dead-on right Pastor Guest.

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    I'be happy if they just promoted something about as strong as Florida's new red flag law signed by DeSantis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man;[URL="tel:2856286"
    2856286[/URL]]I'be happy if they just promoted something about as strong as Florida's new red flag law signed by DeSantis.
    All red flag laws are blatantly unconstitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear View Post
    All red flag laws are blatantly unconstitutional.

    No, red-flag gun laws don’t violate due process rights




    Red-flag laws, which allow guns to be temporarily taken from people who pose a risk of harm to themselves or others, are one of the few gun-control regulations that have bipartisan support. “I’m generally inclined to think some kind of red-flag law is a good idea,” Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) said shortly after the May 24 school shooting in Uvalde, Tex. Key senators have told reporters that an agreement could be reached soon on legislation that would include incentives for more states to pass such laws.


    There is strong popular support for red-flag laws — also known as extreme-risk laws — in both parties, and more than a dozen states have adopted them in the past few years (bringing the total to 19 plus the District of Columbia). Social science research suggests that they work, most strikingly in preventing gun suicides.

    So what prevents their wider adoption, including at the federal level? Some gun rights advocates and their allies in Congress say they violate the due-process clauses of the Fifth and 14th Amendments. “Depriving citizens of Life, Liberty, or Property, without Due Process, is a clear violation of our Constitution,” Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) tweeted on May 27. “Every member of Congress swears an oath to ‘support and defend’ the Constitution. Voting for, or introducing, Red Flag Laws is a blatant violation of that oath.”

    But such criticisms are off base. Politicians considering red-flag laws, whether in Congress or state legislatures, should do so based on an accurate understanding of what the Constitution requires. It indeed guarantees “due process of law” whenever the government seeks to deprive a person of “life, liberty, or property.” But the basic design of extreme-risk laws is fully consistent with constitutional commands, as we showed in a recent law review article.

    What the research says about gun laws

    Here’s how red-flag laws work: A limited set of people — law enforcement officers, family or household members, and sometimes others — can petition a judge to issue an “extreme-risk protection order” (ERPO) requiring a person to temporarily surrender his or her firearms and refrain from acquiring new ones. Depending on the state, the burden of proof the petitioner must meet (to establish that the gun owner indeed presents a risk) varies from “probable cause” to “clear and convincing” evidence. If the petition is successful, the court can enter a short-term emergency ERPO, usually lasting two weeks or less. In many cases, that’s all that is needed — the crisis can be averted. A longer-term ERPO can be entered only after a full hearing at which the petitioner again bears the burden of proof, usually at a higher threshold, and at which the gun owner can contest the order.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoppalong View Post
    No, red-flag gun laws don’t violate due process rights
    And you trust the "By Any Means Necessary" crowd to follow Due Process Rights!

    F this propaganda and disinformation.

    They have already proven Courts do not follow Due Process Rights with the seizures of property, cash, automobiles, & other than guns.

    Come to get our guns and we will shoot you, just like the Brits.
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    If they can violate a person's God given right by taking away their firearms because of an unverified allegation, why can't they take away a person's automobile when they fail a field sobriety test on the side of the road? How about confiscating their car when they run a red light or a stop sign? They could take away automobiles from people who speed. These violations of traffic laws result in people being killed everyday. No trial, no hearing, just confiscate their property in the name of saving lives.
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    How long have the people from the Jan 6 protest been waiting for due process
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    Maybe word of the loud, non-stop booing of Cornyn at the Texas Republican Party convention got back to the traitor.

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