Merchant
What are God's instructions for capitalism?Originally Posted by dmatic
I can see where some get themselves into trouble with it. But with the proper education anyone can use it to prosper.
It's a tool. It's neither good nor bad.
"In times of change, the Patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." Mark Twain
Congressman
There are very many. For example, though: just and fair weights and measures in your trading and selling, honor the private property of neighbors and not move the boundary markers. Do not steal nor covet your neighbor's stuff; if you do not work, neither should you eat; Pay God for His work while you use His stuff to create wealth. Lend to those who have need, without expecting it to be paid back by them...as He will repay you. Pay those who you hire to work for you. Sell your stuff when there is a need in the marketplace. Don't only consider your own interests. Do not put out your stuff and charge usury, a fee for it's use.
Says you and others who delight in unjust gain, which is what God calls it.I can see where some get themselves into trouble with it. But with the proper education anyone can use it to prosper.
It's a tool. It's neither good nor bad.
Merchant
Says me and anyone who cares to get a real financial education. There's nothing unjust about borrowing and lending in the business world. In fact, it's a necessity. Most people do when they start investing in real estate. In fact, most continue to do so through out their real estate investment career.
"In times of change, the Patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." Mark Twain
Congressman
I'm talking about interest collecting. Invest all you want.
Congressman
You say interest collecting is OK? Just a tool? God says it's unjust gain. That's all I'm saying. You can disagree with Him...but, why would you want to?
Esquire
Deu 23:19 You shall not lend upon usury to your brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of anything that is lent upon usury:
Deu 23:20 Unto a stranger you may lend upon usury; but unto your brother you shall not lend upon usury: that Yahuah Elohayka may bless you in all that you set your hand to in the land whither you go to possess it.
"The one who says he stays in Him is indebted to walk, even as He walked." 1Jn 2:6
Without Torah, His walk is impossible - it's Rome's walk without Torah.
Merchant
Lenders won't lend without interest. Not a very good business model. They sure won't lend to a real estate investor without the expectation of being paid back. That's a grant not a loan.
Loans from investors are a tool. Essentially, it makes the lender a partner and a partner will want their share. They are, after all, partaking in the risk. Nothing unjust about it. I'll disagree with anyone on this point.
"In times of change, the Patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." Mark Twain
Congressman
Well, you wouldn't be alone. I have found that most nominal Christians argue with God about His thoughts on interest collecting as well. Again, if you don't care what God thinks, that's your 'business', but, of course, I do not understand that. Makes absolutely no sense to me and seems very foolish....so, I will leave you to it. Thanks.
Congressman
Maybe I should start a thread somewhere where we can discuss whether or not usury (interest collecting) is just or unjust?
Merchant
Perhaps so.
In some instances I would agree with you. Consumer debt. Predatory lending practices, college debt, pay day loans, etc. Those lenders have a model based upon increased debt that is difficult for the borrower to get out from under. That is debt that is to be avoided in my opinion. But partnering with an investor to make a real estate deal happen...it's not usury.
"In times of change, the Patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." Mark Twain
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