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dmatic
That conclusion seems to be in direct contradiction to what The Messiah taught, so, I would advise you to do your research with His teaching in mind. Heaven and earth are still here? Matthew 5:17-19. He commanded that all that "Moses" taught should be adhered to. Matthew 23:2-3. It baffles me that you can make a statement like you did above, before you do the research. Isn't that like declaring your theory to be the fact and THEN setting out to prove it? It makes it easier to deceive yourself because you may be tempted to negate any evidence that doesn't prove your conclusion. Some refer to that method as confirmation bias, only looking at "evidence" that confirms what you already want to be true and dismissing everything else?
Huge and important topic so I hope you enter it without bias and with a meek and teachable heart. May God bless you.
It's scary folks fall for that. Way back in 1646 – Massachusetts Bay Colony enacted the death penalty for denying Biblical inspiration. During the same year, the Westminster Confession of Faith was busy dividing the Torah into three categories: moral, civil, and ceremonial. So, they would kill you for not believing, chop it all up, and then tell you what parts are relevant. Of course those divisions are nowhere to be found in Scripture, they are outright liars. This is just the more recent developments of destroying the Word, making Messiah a liar - “Every word” Luk 4:4, “until heaven and earth pass away” Mat 5:18, are meaningless words to them, even though they are spoken by the very Messiah they claim to love. They refuse to walk as He walked (1Jn. 2:6). Their ‘jesus’ is make believe; a fabrication. Total phony. Oh, that’s too harsh? Keep reading.
Christian apologist Frank Turek says: “In the Old Testament. There were certain laws that were purely for Israel. Old Covenant laws. They no longer apply to Christians. I Know people are going to hate me for this, but it’s true, the Ten Commandments don’t apply to Christians either. The Ten Commandments are part of the Old Covenant. Now, nine of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament, and because they are repeated in the New Testament, they do apply to Christians. But because they’re the Ten Commandments, they don’t apply to Christians. I like that because I like bacon.”
“I like bacon”. He just doesn’t like his sin defined as Scripture defines it. But how many of you have heard that before “because they are not repeated in the New Testament, they don't apply to Christians”. Everything has to be repeated in the NT to be valid? That’s what Messiah taught? Who are these people?
”Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins...” Rev 18:4 What sins? What law? Let’s face it. CHRISTIANITY CANNOT DEFINE SIN. Thankfully, His people can (1Jn. 3:4)!
The Presbyterian dispensationalist, Donald Barnhouse, had a similar view of the law, specifically the Ten Commandments. He said it was a “tragic hour when the Reformation churches wrote the Ten Commandments into their creeds and catechisms and sought to bring Gentile believers into bondage to Jewish law, which was never intended either for the Gentile nations or for the church.”
Yes, a ‘tragic hour’. This is how easily church folk have become ensnared and deceived. At least he rightly calls himself a Gentile (out of covenant, Eph 2:11-12) - ”...in the day of distress THE GENTILES shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, “Our fathers have INHERITED ONLY LIES, futility, and there is no value in them.” Jer 16:19
One fellow was wise enough to call them on it, giving a few examples: “So, laws against sex with animals (Ex. 22:29), kidnapping (Deut. 24:7), arson (Ex. 22:6), or cursing the deaf or tripping blind people (Lev. 19:14) do not apply? How about ‘just weights and measures’ (Lev. 19:35–36; Deut. 25:13–16)? This law is repeated in Proverbs (11:1; 20:10) but not in the NT.”
Hoehner, at the time a professor of New Testament at Dallas Theological Seminary, said like Turek, “Well, if something isn’t repeated in the New Testament, it’s not applicable today.” David Chilton asked this pointed question in response: “So if your pastor was found to have had sex with an animal, what would you say?” And Hoehner responded, “Since it’s not repeated in the New Testament, it’s not a sin.” Hide your sheep! These people are sick!
He’s seminary trained. One of their best. Their Bible should be less than one paragraph, something like “Just believe to be saved, then do any damn thing you want”. Can this be anything but the warned of strong delusion (2 Thes 2:11)? Or is it the man of lawlessness firmly seated and comfortable in their temple?
“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasy - Acts 21:21 - forsake Mosheh) first, and that MAN OF SIN be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called Elohiym, or that is worshipped; so that he as Elohiym SITS IN THE TEMPLE of Elohiym, showing himself that he is Elohiym.” 2Th 2:3-4
“KNOW YE NOT THAT YE ARE THE TEMPLE of Elohiym...” 1Co 3:16
"The one who says he stays in Him is indebted to walk, even as He walked." 1Jn 2:6
Without Torah, His walk is impossible - it's Rome's walk without Torah.
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