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    I dunno. Seems like these dots are pretty easy to connect. I don’t see any room for opinion here either. Simple, direct, indisputable facts. And yet, christianity is blinded to it. Amazing deception. Mind-blowing delusion.

    “Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the Torah: for sin is the transgression of the Torah.” 1Jn 3:4

    “I had not known sin, but by the Torah” Rom 7:7

    “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Never. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?” Rom 6:1-2

    “And we know that Elohim does not hear sinners” Joh 9:31

    “He who turns away his ear from hearing the Torah, Even his prayer is an abomination.” Pro 28:9

    “For not the hearers of the Torah are just before Elohiym, but the doers of the Torah shall be justified.” Rom 2:13


    “The Torah of Yahuah is perfect” Psa 19:7


    Christianity is a cult of Romish baptized paganism. A cruel, counterfeit hoax.
    "The one who says he stays in Him is indebted to walk, even as He walked." 1Jn 2:6

    Without Torah, His walk is impossible - it's Rome's walk without Torah.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Off-Grid Organics View Post
    Christianity is a cult of Romish baptized paganism. A cruel, counterfeit hoax.
    As was the "Jewish" debacle that the Messiah dealt with, in a way. False Christianity reveals that their eyes have not yet been opened by our Father, Who will open them, in His time. He's using you to do so with those who will love the truth more than the "comfort" of their lies while still being on the broad path that leads to and through destruction.

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    119 Ministries poses these questions -

    The Unanswerable Questions
    How many realize that we should constantly challenge ourselves in the faith? We should test everything
    we believe to the Word of God. We are to also test everything our teachers present to us to determine
    what may or may not be true.We should challenge our teachers and our faith. That is to what we all are
    accountable to.

    In this teaching we are going to simply ask some challenging questions. See how well you can answer
    these questions without generating conflicts in Scripture. Perhaps you may also want to present some or
    all of these questions to your favorite pastor or teacher. You might suppose that the following questions
    generate conflicts in Scripture, and to that we would disagree.

    In hearing some of these questions, you might immediately start thinking of chapters such as Acts 10 or
    Acts 15, or any number of verse sound bites from Paul that have been spoon fed to us so many times
    regarding these matters.

    Our ministry sets out to answer these questions using the whole Word of God and at the same time agree
    with everything that the Bible presents to us as truth. There are no conflicts, nor would we consider
    accepting conflicts, but instead reconcile them, exposing the truth.
    So, let us begin.

    1)If the law of God has been made better, and the law of God is perfect, is that saying that what is
    already defined as perfect can be made better?

    2)If we have been freed from the Law of God, and the Law of God is freedom (Psalm 119:44-45), is
    that saying that we can be freed from freedom?

    3)Can Truth be made not Truth?(Psalm 119:143, 160)

    4)Can the way of righteousness no longer be the way of righteousness? (Deuteronomy 4:8, Proverbs
    2:20; Isaiah 51:7, 2 Peter 2:21; 1 Timothy 3:16)

    5)Can the Ways of God change into a different way? (Ex 18:20; Deut 10:12; Josh 22:51; 1 King 2:3; Ps
    119:1; Prov 6:23; Is 2:3; Mal 2:8; Mark 12:14; Acts 24:14)

    6)If the Law of God is forever, and the law of God ended, is that saying that forever can end? Does that
    mean eternal life can end as well? (Leviticus 16:31; 1 Chronicles 16:15; Psalm 119:160; Isaiah 40: 8

    7)Can what defines sin be nullified? Can sin be sin one day and not sin another day?Does the
    definition of sin change? (Numbers 15:22-31; Daniel 9:11; 1 John 3:4)

    Can what is light change into a different light? (Job 24:13; 29:3; Ps 36:9; 43:2-4; 119:105; Prov 6:23;
    Is 2:5; 8:20; 51:4; 2 Cor 6:14; 1 John 1:7)

    9)Can what is life no longer be life? (Job 33:30; Ps 36:9; Prov 6:23; Rev 22:14)

    10)If God is the Word, and God cannot change, then how can we suggest that the Word of God
    changed? (John 1:1; Malachi 3:6)

    11)If we are to delight in the Law of God, are we to no longer delight in it? (Psalm 1:2; 112:1; 119:16;
    119:35; 119:47; 119:70; 119:77; 119:92; 119:174; Isaiah 58:13; Romans 7:22)

    12)If when the Law was written down, we were told to walk in it (Deuteronomy 10:11-13), full
    knowing that Christ walked that same law, and John said we are to walk exactly like He walked (1 John
    2:5-6), while Paul said we are to also follow Christ’s example(1 Corinthians 11:1), then would we not
    follow the same commandments that Christ walked?

    13)If Christ is the Word made flesh, and Christ is the Word of God (John 1:14; Revelation 19:13), and
    supposedly some of the Word of God is abolished, did He get on the cross to abolish parts of Himself?

    14)If the Law of God is all about loving God and loving others, is how to love God and love others
    subject to change? (Ex 20:6; Deut 5:10; Deut 7:10; 11:13; 11:22; 30:16; 6:5; Lev 19:18; Neh 1:5; Dan
    9:4; Mat 22:35-37; 10:39; 16:25; Jo 14:15; 14:21; Rom 13:9; 1 John 5:2-3; 2 John 1:6)

    15)If the law of God has always intended to bless us and be good for us, then why would He take it
    away from us after the cross? (Deut 11:26-27; Ps 112:1; 119:1-2; Ps 128:1; Prov 8:32; Is 56:2; Mat 5:6;
    5:10; Luke 11:28; Jam 1:25; 1 Pet 3:14; Rev 22:14; Psalm 119)

    16)If the whole purpose of man is to keep the Lord’s commandments (Ecclesiastes 12:13), then is this
    no longer true?

    17)If all Scripture is instructions in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16), and we are to practice
    righteousness (1 John 2:23; 1 John 3:7; 1 John 3:10), then why do weconsider it possible that we’renot
    supposed to practice all Scripture?

    18 Matthew 5:17-19 clearly teaches that no commandments are to pass away at least until Heaven and
    Earth pass and all of the Law and Prophets are fulfilled.

    In addition, believers that teach others that commandments have been passed away will be least in the
    kingdom of Heaven, but those who strive to keep all of God's law and teach others to do the same will
    be great in the Kingdom. Therefore, how can we be comfortable with teaching anything less than what
    Moses wrote and what Christ practiced and taught?

    19)When Christ commanded us to observe and do everything out of the Mosesseat (Matthew 23:1-3),
    which is and has always been what Moses wrote, then why would we not want do it, especially since he
    commands us to teach all nations everything he commanded, which of course would include everything
    taught from the seat of Moses.

    20)When Paul stated several times that he believes, practices, and teaches God's law (as written by
    Moses - Acts 21:20-26; 24:13-14; 25: 8 and also that there is no difference between the Jew and the
    Greek in Christ (1 Cor 12:12-14; Gal 3:27-29; Col 3:10-12), how can we be comfortable using Paul's
    letters to teach that we are not to observe all of God's law?
    How can Paul be teaching God's law (as written by Moses) and teaching against God's law at the same
    time?

    What do we do with the fact that obeying what Moses wrote also means teaching Gentiles, aliens and
    foreigners to Israel, to practice the same law of God in the faith? (Ex 12:19; 12:38; 12:49; Lev 19:34;
    24:22; Num 9:14; 15:15-16; 15:29). Also Is 42:6; 60:3; Mat 5:14; Eph 2:10-13; Acts 13:47; Rom 11:16-
    27; Jer31:31-34; Ez 37; 1 John 2:10; 1 John 1:7)

    Meaning that there has never been any difference between Jews and Gentiles in the faith. Wouldn't all
    those times Paul was accused of not practicing and teaching the Law of Moses actually be true
    accusations instead of false accusations like Paul asserted and demonstrated? Why are there still
    accusations against Paul that He taught against the Law of God as written by Moses? Why is he still
    having to defend himself against such absurd claims even when the book of Acts testifies against it?
    21)When Scripture states in the NT that we are to keep God's commandments in our love back to Him
    (1 Jn 5:2-3) as a response to His grace or love for us (1 Jn 4:19), how can we conclude that we are to
    keep only some of God's commandments?

    Are commandments in Leviticus 23 or Leviticus 11 God’s commandments or not?

    22)In Isaiah 66:15-17, we see that in the context of the Lord’s return,that when He returns He is
    clearly upset that people are eating pork. If He cares then, why would we assume that He does not care
    now?

    23)In Zechariah 14, when the Lord comes back to reign, we clearly see that everyone is expected to
    celebrate Tabernacles as written by Moses. Why would we be expected to celebrate Tabernacles before
    the cross, but not after the cross, but then celebrate it again when the Lord returns?
    24)If Christ is the Word made Flesh (Revelation 19:13), and He is the same yesterday, today, and
    forever (Hebrews 13: 8, then how is the Word of God not the same yesterday today and forever like
    Isaiah 40:8 says?

    25)And lastly, with the exception of the misunderstandings of Acts 10 and Acts 15, nearly all supposed
    support for the belief that the law of God changed stems from the reading of select snippets fromPaul’s
    letters. Why do we mainly use Paul to support abolishing the Law of God when Peter clearly says that
    Paul’s letters are often used to make the error of lawlessness because Paul is hard to understand and
    many reading him are not knowledgeable enough about the Word of God but instead are ignorant and
    unstable (2 Peter 3:15-17). Paul is the very person that Peter warns us not to use to teach against the law
    of God? Why would anyone use him?

    Those are some of the top questions we have to anyone who believes that the Law of God has changed.
    There are many more that can be presented, but hopefully that gets you thinking.
    We hope that this study has blessed you. And remember, continue to test everything.
    Shalom.
    Shalom, and may Yahweh bless you in walking in the whole Word of God.
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    "The one who says he stays in Him is indebted to walk, even as He walked." 1Jn 2:6

    Without Torah, His walk is impossible - it's Rome's walk without Torah.



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    EXCELLENT questions! I have copied them for further reference and plan to use them at a mens Bible Study group as the LORD leads. Thanks for sharing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmatic View Post
    EXCELLENT questions! I have copied them for further reference and plan to use them at a mens Bible Study group as the LORD leads. Thanks for sharing!
    No girls allowed, huh?!
    "In times of change, the Patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrin View Post
    No girls allowed, huh?!
    Sure. Sometimes one of the fathers brings a daughter and sons. You got a problem with a mens Bible study? What guides your issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmatic View Post
    Sure. Sometimes one of the fathers brings a daughter and sons. You got a problem with a mens Bible study?
    LMAO....I was just joking.
    But why men only? Just curious.

    Quote Originally Posted by dmatic View Post
    What guides your issues?
    What issues?
    "In times of change, the Patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darrin View Post
    LMAO....I was just joking.
    I'm glad you laugh at your own jokes. Telling.

    But why men only? Just curious.
    Good question. It was a mens Bible study when I started attending. Apparently, I was too controversial, which led to some arguments, from some. So, the guy leading it thought it best to have it go on a vacation, for the guys arging to calm down or something. After 6 months I asked the guy when he was going to start it up again and he said: "Do you want to lead it"? I said, something like: I'd be happy to facilitate it and let God lead it. He said: "Okay!"...gave me a key to the building, and we've been meeting for nearly two years since. First meeting there were three of us, and now about 11 or 12.

    Very interesting group of men with varying backgrounds, from a couple of home-schooled geniuses (21 and 24) to a ninety-year old Lutheran churchman who has said he's never been to a Bible study like ours. (Presumably, because we have unscripted sessions and nothing off-limits and we get as deep as God leads us).

    Everybody has 'issues', I suppose. If you haven't noticed, men seem to have differing issues than women. In the place where we meet weekly, (a former jewelry store in the downtown) a community gathering place donated by a guy who owns property in the town, there are couples Bible studies weekly, womens Bible studies,...etc. I, personally, don't have a problem studying God's instructions with whomever, men or women. This is just the way it is, here, now.

    Actually, I would welcome anybody, of whatever "bent" they are. Truth is.

    What issues?
    Well, maybe you don't think you have any, but, the question "What guides your issues" was an inquiry into what thoughts guide you into deciding what issues you raise with others, like myself. No big deal. Seems like you want to discuss some things, because you continue to comment, which is good. But, I'm not sure of your intent. May I ask a blunt question? Since I don't know you, except through your comments here, what do you want to talk about? Something real? Or, are you one of those kinds of people who enjoys mocking things you may not understand in order to smugly carry on with the idea that you are just alright with yourself? Not a trick question. Many of us are under the delusion that way. But, inside....we really know we're not. Or...do you know something I don't about me and you're trying to help me see the error of my ways? (Which would also be good)

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    "SIN - It's Not So Bad (When You Define It On Your Terms)"

    Lucifer, the idea that, most self professed Christians worship as something akin to their Jesus and just as powerful:

    Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12 is defined in Strong’s Aramaic & Greek dictionary as, a Title applied to the King of Babylon word #1966: heylel in the sense of brightness.

    Word #7854: Satan, opponent, adversary, withstand, prominently used in Job (Yob) and applied to the Edomites falsely accusing Yob (Job)

    And in Greek, #4567, Satanas, accuser, devil, satan.

    In the record of Adam being confronted by the Creator: Adam falsely accused The Creator and the beautiful woman cloned from Adam by the Creator Yahweh/Yahuah, so Adam is the first satan/adversary, false accuser, who mentally murdered the Creator so as to define good and evil for himself without benefit of the Perfect Knowledge of that Creator.
    Adam’s genetic code recorded all that and set the genetic code for the 2nd adversary: Cain who falsely accused Overcomer Abel, and defined good as killing his Brother Abel, which Cain did. Abel was the first overcomer and His name means Great Father.

    Thus, ever since Adam and Cain, the Sons of Adam have had this genetic trait to also define good and evil for themselves contrary to He who made them and can save them from themselves.

    To blame our own lusts & sins on anyone other than ourselves, is a lie.

    Our Job is to overcome our own sins and false lusts. To believe that The Creator made some devil/satan to tempt us is a lie, false testimony, slander and mental murder against the Perfect King of all Creation.

    This is why YahuahShua repeatedy said, “Only the overcomers enter the Kingdom of Heaven.”


    Sin in essence is attempted murder of the Creator that was accomplished by murdering Christ, who was the Creator who came to Earth as a son of Adam and Overcame all of the physical genetic heritage of Adam He inherited. That is why He referred to Himself as a Son of
    Adam/Son of man.

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    Who was Jesus talking with in the wilderness after the Spirit led Him there to be tempted by the devil?

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